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Night of the Comet, wtf? Drake put a Flux Compensator on my ship?

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I have to say i think 3 variants of timetravel are a little much for one Plot.

First we had the Devidian Portal, perfectly fine,
then we had to get our ship and use the good old Slingshot.

But then, what threw me off was the end. Drake obviosly put a Flux Compensator on my Ship and just like that i could jump Back to the Future?

I realy have to have a word with my chief engineer for not noticing that new equipment....

But the bright side is i now have a perfectly fine working Flux Compensator on my Ship that i just renamed to USS De Lorean and can jump through time now whenever i want.

Or did i miss anything?


Seriously, why not let us Slingshot back arround the same Sun, just in the opposite direction instead of this LAME Plot Device???

:confused:


btw. did that Sun flickr for you guys to?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
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    I realy have to have a word with my chief engineer for not noticing that new equipment....

    According to the books, all vessels have a cloaking device put there by Section 31 that captains and even chief engineers aren't made aware of unless it suits Section 31's purposes to tell them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Also...

    "Mr. Data, lay in a course for the 24th century. I suspect our future is there waiting for us."
    "Course laid in, sir."
    "Make it so."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    According to the books, all vessels have a cloaking device put there by Section 31 that captains and even chief engineers aren't made aware of unless it suits Section 31's purposes to tell them.

    Well...
    if it is a cloaking device it probably can cloak itself so that would be possible...
    but well... let's say i believe it when i see it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    According to the books, all vessels have a cloaking device put there by Section 31 that captains and even chief engineers aren't made aware of unless it suits Section 31's purposes to tell them.

    Yeah, as if any chief worth their salt wouldn't notice that thing sooner or later... And how many thousand ships does Starfleet have? Some writers... :rolleyes:

    But yeah, agree with the OP - would have been far more stylish to use the slingshot back. But tbh, this episode was great, a minor quirk like that is still a very minor quirk. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Also...

    "Mr. Data, lay in a course for the 24th century. I suspect our future is there waiting for us."
    "Course laid in, sir."
    "Make it so."

    The visual in First Contact implied that they used the same anomaly that brought them there.
    Using a Slingshot in First Contact would have been out of place.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Kimyrielle wrote:
    Yeah, as if any chief worth their salt wouldn't notice that thing sooner or later... And how many thousand ships does Starfleet have? Some writers... :rolleyes:

    But yeah, agree with the OP - would have been far more stylish to use the slingshot back. But tbh, this episode was great, a minor quirk like that is still a very minor quirk. :)

    Honestly, I thought they did this to keep time travel missions open as an option in the future without using the slingshot or the Guardian.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Also...

    "Mr. Data, lay in a course for the 24th century. I suspect our future is there waiting for us."
    "Course laid in, sir."
    "Make it so."

    Because they figured out how the Borg jumped through time.

    And considering how many means of time travel there are, from the Borg's temporal whatever to the chrono deflector for the Klingons in "Endgame" (VOY), it kinda makes the old slingshot rather redundant.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    This is no time to argue about time. We don't have the time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Kimyrielle wrote:
    But yeah, agree with the OP - would have been far more stylish to use the slingshot back. But tbh, this episode was great, a minor quirk like that is still a very minor quirk. :)

    A minor quirk is writing that Scotty knows anything about "Transwarp Transporter Technology".... well maybe in the Abrams-Verse that might be true after timetravel Spock introduced him to the idea.... *cringe*...

    putting a Flux Compensator on my ship... now that is a pretty big quirk in the storytelling i'd say.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The slingshot maneuver was classic but a little tricky. I also found the ending somewhat anti-climatic. And just BOOM back to your normal time period? Why couldn't we do that in the first place?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
    A minor quirk is writing that Scotty knows anything about "Transwarp Transporter Technology".... well maybe in the Abrams-Verse that might be true after timetravel Spock introduced him to the idea.... *cringe*....

    I noticed that too - but that a not a minor quirk, that's a micro-quirk ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    According to the books, all vessels have a cloaking device put there by Section 31 that captains and even chief engineers aren't made aware of unless it suits Section 31's purposes to tell them.

    Thank goodness Books are not Canon. :p

    I really want an opportunity to finish what Bashir started.... to bring down Section 31 once and for all!!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
    A minor quirk is writing that Scotty knows anything about "Transwarp Transporter Technology".... well maybe in the Abrams-Verse that might be true after timetravel Spock introduced him to the idea.... *cringe*...

    People keep pointing this out... Except Spock-Prime was giving Scotty his own equations! >_>
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Naju wrote: »
    People keep pointing this out... Except Spock-Prime was giving Scotty his own equations! >_>

    "How do we know that he didn't invent the thing?"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    I really want an opportunity to finish what Bashir started.... to bring down Section 31 once and for all!!!

    Would love getting a storyline where you get the choice to either fully join them and get S31 quests in a Diplomacy-like system, or do the same in an attempt to harm them and expose their agents etc.

    My captain actually agrees with much of what the guys do, so you'd have to fight her, btw.. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    All starships have a flux capacitor, it's part of the warp matrix.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Well, my take on that is that Drake installed one of those Borg temporal things like Old Janeway did at the end of Voyager to enable time travel, and as we are in the future around where that episode is set, it sounds plausible to me.

    I don't really have a problem with the multiple methods of time travel in one episode. I believe that Drake said that the Borg time travel device on your ship was designed to only work once or programmed only for the specific jump back to the 25th century, so you can't go around time travelling as you like.

    I only played though the mission once though so I can't remember the exact dialogue.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Naju wrote: »
    People keep pointing this out... Except Spock-Prime was giving Scotty his own equations! >_>

    ...well yes he said that. BUT he said that in the Abrams Movie, which makes it questionable if that was just another stupid plothole.
    Nowhere in TOS or ST 1 - 6 had Prime Scotty anything to do with Transwarp Beaming.

    The only referrence for that tech is in a TNG Episode where a Ferengi named Bok used it to get on the 1701-D and even then Data said something like that it was unreliable technology or unstable or something and therefore we never heard of it again.

    That all just doesn't add up.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I can't imagine TOS and ST 1-6 even account for the majority of that crew's adventures.

    Scotty was a whiz on the transporter and he sabotaged the first transwarp drive. It doesn't seem weird that he'd be an expert at both technologies, especially by 2387.

    Among other things, it's entirely possible that Scotty developed the tech between the end of TNG and 2387 and shared it with Spock.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
    ...well yes he said that. BUT he said that in the Abrams Movie, which makes it questionable if that was just another stupid plothole.
    Nowhere in TOS or ST 1 - 6 had Prime Scotty anything to do with Transwarp Beaming.

    The only referrence for that tech is in a TNG Episode where a Ferengi named Bok used it to get on the 1701-D and even then Data said something like that it was unreliable technology or unstable or something and therefore we never heard of it again.

    That all just doesn't add up.

    The Dominion also had transporter technology that could beam you from one location to another, from a distance of about three light years. Section 31's recreation of this technology for Bashir also showed that this could be even done onto a ship moving at warp speed. Plus Voyager has encountered a few species that used similar technology too. I'm sure Starfleet in the late 24th century after their return poured over their data logs with a fine toothcomb.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I didn't even get the message about it... B'Vat blew his ship up randomly, and my BO said "We have to blow up the comet without killing him and changing the timeline!" And then, pow!, back in the 25th century... and I didn't even have to do it again without killing him!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I would have preferred a second slingshot to get back myself. The whole "By the way I put a Borg device on your ship last time you docked" thing was kind of a cop out.

    Really? If I had this Borg device, why did I have to do the extremely dangerous slingshot maneuver in the first place? Drake, you're an *******.


    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Blackavaar wrote: »
    I would have preferred a second slingshot to get back myself. The whole "By the way I put a Borg device on your ship last time you docked" thing was kind of a cop out.

    Really? If I had this Borg device, why did I have to do the extremely dangerous slingshot maneuver in the first place? Drake, you're an *******.


    :cool:

    I'm assuming it acts more like a recall transponder. The Borg device on your ship couldn't send you into the past, as there was nothing to lock onto there. However once back in the 23rd century, your ship could be pulled back into the future, because of the appropriate Borg temporal device Section 31 owns in the 25th century that enables them to lock onto it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Blackavaar wrote: »
    I would have preferred a second slingshot to get back myself. The whole "By the way I put a Borg device on your ship last time you docked" thing was kind of a cop out.

    Really? If I had this Borg device, why did I have to do the extremely dangerous slingshot maneuver in the first place? Drake, you're an *******.


    :cool:

    Exactly! If i had the Borg Flux Capacitor to begin with why slingshot around the sun to get there in the first place? I loved the fact you had to slingshot around the sun to get there and it would have been better to do that to get back to the future as well ;)

    I hate to say it but this was my least favorite of all the weekly missions so far... :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    To be fair, the device used by Bok (the episode was called Bloodlines) was specifically referred to as a subspace transporter rather than transwarp beaming, though there's enough confusion about it to make it difficult to decide if it's the same thing or different technology.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    According to the books, all vessels have a cloaking device put there by Section 31 that captains and even chief engineers aren't made aware of unless it suits Section 31's purposes to tell them.

    That's ridiculously ridiculous and bad writing. There's no way the likes of Geordi could miss it and no way nobody would notice..

    It's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    some things are in ships databanks and are only available with certain command level codes issused by starfleet or the captain. examples is knowledge about and how to destroy omega particles,transphasic torpedoes., and how to replicate cloaking devices
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    That's ridiculously ridiculous and bad writing. There's no way the likes of Geordi could miss it and no way nobody would notice..

    It's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

    Gotta agree there. How many Voyager episodes would have gone differently had B'Elanna said, "why don't we use our super secret, treaty-violating cloaking device to get around them, Captain? It's not like there are any Romulans here to see us."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    That's ridiculously ridiculous and bad writing. There's no way the likes of Geordi could miss it and no way nobody would notice..

    It's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

    Agreed... the whole story line for this last mission seemed pretty out of whack compared to what typically has been some really good writing. Part of me hopes that the real final episode will be released next week and this will be played off as a bad dream.

    I can imagine it going like this..

    me: "Oh wow, did I have a bad dream."

    counselor: "Oh yeah, what was it?"

    me: "First, I had to slingshot around a sun to go back in time. Then, for some reason I had to disguise the ship as a Klingon ship, yet I was in Federation territory. Then I was in this bar fight for some reason, and I saw Devidians there and, Montgomery Scott. For some reason I had to keep asking him what kind of drink this girl liked so she would give me a part he needed. It was crazy. After I got him his part, I had to fight more of the Devidians until I was back on my ship. Then there were Klingons who thought I was from the house of Duras for some reason and started attacking me the whole time I was trying to blow up this comet. Eventually I took care of it and then Franklin Drake of all people somehow contacted me, told me about some time travel device he secretly had installed and then zipped me back to the future."

    counselor: "I think you need a vacation..." :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Truly, they should have made it so you needed to slingshot again to get back...in reverse! :)
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