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Why does Cryptic mock us so? By us, I mean TOS fans.

First, we have the TOS Connie. By far the most iconic ship in all of Star Trek, and a huge fan favorite. But, it's a Tier 1 ship. It's useful through Lieutentant Commander (barely), and that's about it. Even though we spend most of our time at Vice Admiral, you can't even use it at VA, because not only do you have the penalty of Tier 1 ship stats (not enough hull, not enough weapons, not enough consoles and not enough bridge officers) but then you also have the power penalty, so even outfitting MK X and MK XI gear, isn't going to save you, because the gear actually scales down! So if you want to play using the TOS Connie, your option is to blow up all the time, or, restart your character every time the ship can't handle what you are fighting.

Then there is the TOS Uniforms. Which are fantastic. But, then any talk about TOS bridges and ship interiors is met with total silence. Why bother having TOS Uniforms, if the whole illusion is broken if you spend any time aboard your ship? And how about titles? People have been asking for the Commodore title for ages. It's a vanity title, how hard can it be? Yet, the devs haven't said yeah or nay on it. They just don't say anything.

Then there is the hand weapons. We finally get access to a Type 2 and Type 3 Phaser. Problem is, the rest of our Bridge Officers don't. How can you outfit a 5 person landing party, when you only have 2 weapons?

Really, Cryptic, do you just hate us and want to torment us?

People have been asking for this stuff, putting out ideas and requests, since this game went live. And you have given us some things, but you haven't gone all the way on it. Instead we get stuck with little bits and pieces here and there. We can't create a full adventure for ourselves because the bits and pieces just aren't enough.

Why couldn't the reward been a Rare Type 3 (scalable) phaser, with the selectable reward being 4 Type 2 Uncommon (scalable) phasers. Would that have been so bad? Instead, we get this wonderful little reward, and the option to fully outfit our crew is left dangling in front of us, like a steak, dangled in front of a dog, that is chained to his doghouse and he just can't reach it.

And why does there have to be such a penalty on the TOS Connie and other T1 and T2 ships? Why can't we have upgradeable ships? Why do we have to be penalized so heavily to play the way we want to play? You obviously want TOS fans to play, otherwise the uniforms and such wouldn't be in the game. But then when we do try and play, it's nothing but a joke because the ship can't handle it, or we don't have the weapons we need.

And what about the interiors? Why is there so much silence on the interiors? Is this something Cryptic just isn't prepared to do, and so you'd rather we be mad at you because of the silence, rather than break our hearts with the truth?

It's maddening. It's frustrating. Ultimately, it's depressing.

I know most will see this as QQ. I don't really care. It's how I feel on the matter. :(

Maybe this just won't be the game for me. I've played for a long while, and waited and waited, hoping that
down the road, I could finally play my way. Maybe that just won't happen. It's a shame really, at least from my standpoint. I like some parts of the game, and generally have some fun with it.

I'm just not having the fun I could be having, nor do I get the chance to play the way I want to play. And I'm not sure anymore that it's enough to keep me entertained and hanging around. /shrug
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    No one is tormenting you. TOS is nearly my favorite series, so I am a bug fan of it. ANd completely understand why you cant do all that TRIBBLE you are whinging about. If you are in a fact a true fan of trek you too will understand. TOS stuff is outdated, obviously, the fact the cant stand up to modern ships, is obvious. And it shouldnt. I you were watching TNG and saw a TOS era Connie in a large battle, holdings its own like its a Galaxy, blasting away at Cardies, or roms with no explanation, wouldnt you think that would be a bit odd? Same goes for the game. It's the 25th century guys, not the 23rd, big time difference.

    It's like a WWII Spitfire, going up against an F-14 Raptor. It would die rather expediently. And now, same with the connie. If you want to fly go ahead, but OF COURSE your going to die. It just makes sense!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Maybe mission replay will help with outfitting your crew in period weapons. One of the mission replay rewards is a type 1 phaser.

    As for the TOS bridge... boggles the mind that it's not in the c-store yet.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Martok42 wrote: »
    No one is tormenting you. TOS is nearly my favorite series, so I am a bug fan of it. ANd completely understand why you cant do all that TRIBBLE you are whinging about. If you are in a fact a true fan of trek you too will understand. TOS stuff is outdated, obviously, the fact the cant stand up to modern ships, is obvious. And it shouldnt. I you were watching TNG and saw a TOS era Connie in a large battle, holdings its own like its a Galaxy, blasting away at Cardies, or roms with no explanation, wouldnt you think that would be a bit odd? Same goes for the game. It's the 25th century guys, not the 23rd, big time difference.

    It's like a WWII Spitfire, going up against an F-14 Raptor. It would die rather expediently. And now, same with the connie. If you want to fly go ahead, but OF COURSE your going to die. It just makes sense!!

    And yet my Nebula Class (which is the Galaxy class' little brother) just got it's aft handed to it by some non-upgraded 23rd Century D-7's.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Martok42 wrote: »
    If you are in a fact a true fan of trek you too will understand. TOS stuff is outdated, obviously, the fact the cant stand up to modern ships, is obvious

    Except the B'Rel.

    And every D-7 we've ever seen.

    And the Connie in Night of the Comet.

    And the Mirandas in levelled encounters.

    And every single other time TOS shows up, ever, since the beginning of the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Martok42 wrote: »
    It's like a WWII Spitfire, going up against an F-22 Raptor.

    Fixed.

    Had to, sorry. I love that jet. :D

    On topic, I'm with Martok. Also, it'd be nice if we could get accurate bridges/interiors for all the canon ships in the game. Maybe the Foundry will allow us to do that, since from what I understand future interior customization will be part of it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Lysander_X wrote: »
    Except the B'Rel.

    And every D-7 we've ever seen.

    And the Connie in Night of the Comet.

    And the Mirandas in levelled encounters.

    And every single other time TOS shows up, ever, since the beginning of the game.

    First off, the Brel is NOT a TOS era Vessel

    Second the D-7 is talked about as "Still being in use dispite its age because of its rugged sturdy design"

    That is stupid! Everyone said "Isnt that ship overpowered?" Because it IS!

    That is AGAIN idiotic because they are FRIGATES and there are three of them because they are so weak. Also, level NPCs is irrelevant to the argument.

    To vague to comment.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Martok42 wrote: »
    First off, the Brel is NOT a TOS era Vessel

    It's a T0 ship at T5.

    T0 ships can be upgraded to T5.

    The TOS Connie is a T0 ship. It can be upgraded to T5.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Lysander_X wrote: »
    It's a T0 ship at T5.

    T0 ships can be upgraded to T5.

    The TOS Connie is a T0 ship. It can be upgraded to T5.

    Ah, but it is still not a TOS era vessel. Also, The B'rel is all through DS9 the original Connie is not. Am I right?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Cyllus wrote: »
    Maybe mission replay will help with outfitting your crew in period weapons. One of the mission replay rewards is a type 1 phaser.

    As for the TOS bridge... boggles the mind that it's not in the c-store yet.

    I beg of you what mission is this??

    EDIT: Found it, it's past imperfect.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Ahh outdated! That's life in a nutshell. You get old, and society renew itself, instead of crumbling apart. ( Notable exceptions aside. ) All those fresh faces of the new generation appears, ignoring the glory that was our past. Mostly because they live in the present, the inconsiderate little br...

    Be that as it may.

    They better not sleep in history class. Lest they shall create all the bad television of the past once again. Instead of making it bad in new and improved ways!

    At least we have our nostalgia! It is our comfort, companion and... er...

    Need more TOS stuff!

    That's the conclusion!

    ---
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Sernon wrote:
    Ahh outdated! That's life in a nutshell. You get old, and society renew itself, instead of crumbling apart. ( Notable exceptions aside. ) All those fresh faces of the new generation appears, ignoring the glory that was our past. Mostly because they live in the present, the inconsiderate little br...

    Be that as it may.

    They better not sleep in history class. Lest they shall create all the bad television of the past once again. Instead of making it bad in new and improved ways!

    At least we have our nostalgia! It is our comfort, companion and... er...

    Need more TOS stuff!

    That's the conclusion!

    ---

    Well thank you for those useless ramblings.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the B'Rel example indicative of the difference between the Klingons and the Feds? Klingons find a workable design and they improve on it. Feds find a workable design and it REPLACES the previous working design.

    CaptMattSchwab, read your original post tomorrow morning. Do you hear that? The 'waaaahh' sound in the background? You're complaining about the reward from the second weekly series released. You have this martyr mentality that Cryptic is out to 'gitcha' and those who share your affinity. The fact is, I'm 100% positive Cryptic would love to give you and the DS9 fans and the TNG fans and the Voyager fans and the Enterprise fans and the soft canon fans everything you could possibly want in every way. But they can't. They don't have the resources to appeal to your 'GOTTA HAVE IT NAO!' desires. The game isn't a year old. How the holy hell are they supposed to produce all the varied and sundry things all of the various fan cliques desire at one time? Again, they can't. What they can do is produce this stuff over time, which is exactly what they've been doing. Granted, I'm not a fan of the glacial pace at which they fix existing issues with the game (hi, the exchange UI is complete TRIBBLE, functionally speaking) but jeez, they can only do so much. You're asking for Roederer for the price of Coors. Not likely to happen.

    All in good time. You got a mission series with an excellent throwback element....and you're whining because they didn't give you EVERYTHING from that period. Petulant personified.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Martok42 wrote: »
    No one is tormenting you. TOS is nearly my favorite series, so I am a bug fan of it. ANd completely understand why you cant do all that TRIBBLE you are whinging about. If you are in a fact a true fan of trek you too will understand. TOS stuff is outdated, obviously, the fact the cant stand up to modern ships, is obvious. And it shouldnt. I you were watching TNG and saw a TOS era Connie in a large battle, holdings its own like its a Galaxy, blasting away at Cardies, or roms with no explanation, wouldnt you think that would be a bit odd? Same goes for the game. It's the 25th century guys, not the 23rd, big time difference.

    It's like a WWII Spitfire, going up against an F-14 Raptor. It would die rather expediently. And now, same with the connie. If you want to fly go ahead, but OF COURSE your going to die. It just makes sense!!

    -cough F-14 TOMCAT cough-
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Martok42 wrote: »
    Well thank you for those useless ramblings.

    Your gratitude was received in the spirit it was given. I have plenty of time waiting. What is your excuse Klingon.

    The answer might already be apparent. ;)

    ---
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I agree we need more TOS stuff! I am an original Trekkie and want all TOS eveything! :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Martok42 wrote: »
    Ah, but it is still not a TOS era vessel.

    No, it's not. It's smaller, only carries 32 crew members, two disruptor, and a torpedo launcher. The heavily damaged and undermanned Enterprise was nearly a match for it in Search for Spock. This would be only ten, twenty years after TOS, so it's nearly a contemporary.

    So actually, it's weaker than a TOS Connie.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    No one is mocking TOS fans. We have a tight schedule and as I've mentioned in past Engineering Reports, most assets get made when a specific storyline or mission requests it months in advance. If our game took place in the TOS era, that might be a different story. Nearly all the team members on this game are big fans of TOS so we want to make as much of it as we can, we just have to do it when the schedule and planning budgets allow.

    There is more TOS on the way, but like I said it can take months to get it in game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    dstahl wrote: »
    No one is mocking TOS fans. We have a tight schedule and as I've mentioned in past Engineering Reports, most assets get made when a specific storyline or mission requests it months in advance. If our game took place in the TOS era, that might be a different story. Nearly all the team members on this game are big fans of TOS so we want to make as much of it as we can, we just have to do it when the schedule and planning budgets allow.

    There is more TOS on the way, but like I said it can take months to get it in game.

    Will we be able to get more TOS phasers, eventually?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Lysander_X wrote: »
    Will we be able to get more TOS phasers, eventually?

    We hope that the new episode replay system will allow you to re-run the Feature Episodes and get the rewards when you complete the episodes. That is how we intend for players to be able to get more of the TOS gear.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Lysander_X wrote: »
    Will we be able to get more TOS phasers, eventually?

    Having those as rewards for repeating missions via episodic replay would work, redo the episode 4 times...each time you get one TOS phaser or something...may be a possible method that I wouldnt mind.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    dstahl wrote: »
    No one is mocking TOS fans. We have a tight schedule and as I've mentioned in past Engineering Reports, most assets get made when a specific storyline or mission requests it months in advance. If our game took place in the TOS era, that might be a different story. Nearly all the team members on this game are big fans of TOS so we want to make as much of it as we can, we just have to do it when the schedule and planning budgets allow.

    There is more TOS on the way, but like I said it can take months to get it in game.

    Stahl there in that is my problem, why more tos, I know your want to cater to all fans. But this isnt TOS era as well all know and also you are aware. Why bring in more. I think lately there has been way to much of it, weapons, ships, clothing. I mean really more??!??! We need to get back onto the 24th century yah know...whats happening now not in the past... and please NO MORE TIME TRAVEL STUFF.

    You know what killed the enterprise show.. time traveling episodes. SO please move on with new content for our century not past moments. Not only TOS stuff coming in but enterprise...oy more FUTURE stuff please.

    And dont get me wrong I like TOS to an extent but dang...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    It's very simple:

    There is a finite amount of stuff they can work on at one time. The game takes place in 2409, and not all of the players have even SEEN TOS, much less prefer it. We'll get our pieces. Be patient. Anything you can name that you feel should have been left out in favor of TOS stuff, somebody else would have missed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Stahl there in that is my problem, why more tos, I know your want to cater to all fans. But this isnt TOS era as well all know and also you are aware. Why bring in more. I think lately there has been way to much of it, weapons, ships, clothing. I mean really more??!??! We need to get back onto the 24th century yah know...whats happening now not in the past... and please NO MORE TIME TRAVEL STUFF.

    You know what killed the enterprise show.. time traveling episodes. SO please move on with new content for our century not past moments. Not only TOS stuff coming in but enterprise...oy more FUTURE stuff please.

    And dont get me wrong I like TOS to an extent but dang...

    That is why we're starting the design the FUTURE enterprise promo in less than 3 weeks. We are moving forward in our era... but that doesn't mean that a few months down there road there might be some new TOS stuff.

    I realize people are sensitive to what they want - but we are honestly moving as fast as we can and I'm even working with other companies to get components we can use to get things in game faster.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    dstahl wrote: »
    That is why we're starting the design the FUTURE enterprise promo in less than 3 weeks. We are moving forward in our era... but that doesn't mean that a few months down there road there might be some new TOS stuff.

    I realize people are sensitive to what they want - but we are honestly moving as fast as we can and I'm even working with other companies to get components we can use to get things in game faster.

    Now you tease us with this info? Grrr you :p What does this Future Enterprise promo mean? Or can you not tell us?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    So on a slightly related note..

    Does the fact that NX-01 is coming in as a starter ship mean you're done making refits of old ships like that?

    What's the intended fate of the Connie refit thats "on hold" and would we ever see more lower tier refits suitable for use at endgame?

    For instance, my favorite of the Cryptic-designed ships is Excalibur and I think it would be neat to use even in later levels, with a BO compliment and weapon mounts that make it use-able, if not equal to other T5 ships. And I'm sure lots of other people want the Nova, the Connie + Refit, and yes... even some sort of "refit" of the NX (even a Drexler-style redo.. :) )

    too much to hope for?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Stahl there in that is my problem, why more tos, I know your want to cater to all fans. But this isnt TOS era as well all know and also you are aware. Why bring in more. I think lately there has been way to much of it, weapons, ships, clothing. I mean really more??!??! We need to get back onto the 24th century yah know...whats happening now not in the past... and please NO MORE TIME TRAVEL STUFF.

    You know what killed the enterprise show.. time traveling episodes. SO please move on with new content for our century not past moments. Not only TOS stuff coming in but enterprise...oy more FUTURE stuff please.

    And dont get me wrong I like TOS to an extent but dang...

    i for one do not mind time travel stuff as long as it is to either the near past or the future. as far as ending it with the TOS and Enterprise stuff i do agree with it is time to move forward. and dstahl i thank you for telling us about how this is your plan and commend your efforts to get content into the game faster. i think most of the fans of this game need to chill out the content will get there and cryptic is working hard to see that it does. they are covering an absolutely huge task with trek and i think we all could do with a little patience in waiting for content.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Now you tease us with this info? Grrr you :p What does this Future Enterprise promo mean? Or can you not tell us?

    The future enterprise is the enterprise j from the books look it up it is kindof cool. http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-J)
    So on a slightly related note..

    Does the fact that NX-01 is coming in as a starter ship mean you're done making refits of old ships like that?

    What's the intended fate of the Connie refit thats "on hold" and would we ever see more lower tier refits suitable for use at endgame?

    For instance, my favorite of the Cryptic-designed ships is Excalibur and I think it would be neat to use even in later levels, with a BO compliment and weapon mounts that make it use-able, if not equal to other T5 ships. And I'm sure lots of other people want the Nova, the Connie + Refit, and yes... even some sort of "refit" of the NX (even a Drexler-style redo.. :) )

    too much to hope for?

    i would like to say although i love the play style of the star cruiser i absolutely love the appearance of the excalibur and would love to see a refit later on but i am willing to wait.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    dstahl wrote: »
    That is why we're starting the design the FUTURE enterprise promo in less than 3 weeks. We are moving forward in our era... but that doesn't mean that a few months down there road there might be some new TOS stuff.

    I realize people are sensitive to what they want - but we are honestly moving as fast as we can and I'm even working with other companies to get components we can use to get things in game faster.

    What about ships?

    I know it's a sensitive topic regarding the older ships, but some of the lower tier ships are not old.

    What is the plan for those? When might we see a system that allows players to fly what they want, without the massive penalties?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    What about ships?

    I know it's a sensitive topic regarding the older ships, but some of the lower tier ships are not old.

    What is the plan for those? When might we see a system that allows players to fly what they want, without the massive penalties?

    As a complete pie in the sky - I could see a future where once Fleets can own their own starbases and spacedocks, it would be ideal (imho) if players could craft their own retrofits.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Picard5017 wrote:
    The future enterprise is the enterprise j from the books look it up it is kindof cool. http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-J)


    i would like to say although i love the play style of the star cruiser i absolutely love the appearance of the excalibur and would love to see a refit later on but i am willing to wait.

    Dstahl us referring to designing our enterprise contest. Something after E but not J.
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