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Fudge I want an Oberth-class! (Sneak a Deflector Dish on this thing though)

There would be two versions. The classic one and a modern ship which is bigger but basically looks like an Oberth.



Tier 1:
Oberth (to sit by the Miranda)
(Free Alternate)

Hull - 7000
Crew - 50
Device Slots - 2
Inertia - 40
Turn Rate - 13

Consoles - 1xEng, 2xSci

Bridge Stations - Ensign Sci, Ensign Sci, Ensign Tact

Weapons - 2 Forward, 1 Back


Tier 5:
Oberth Type II (Bigger, somewhat different looking, modern, new class BASED on the old one and not a refit)
(Rank up mark, C-Store or Hundreds of some random mark)

Hull - 24000
Crew - 300
Device Slots - 4
Inertia - 60
Turn Rate - 14

Consoles - 4xEng, 5xSci

Bridge Stations - Commander Sci, Lieutenant Commander Sci, Lieutenant Commander Eng, Lieutenant Eng, Ensign Sci.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Oberth was the ship that got the least amount of votes in the poll. I imagine it'll be some time before we see it in the game, but I do expect to see it as the starter level "science" ship at some point.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    name 1 episode where the oberth actually did somthing... now... name a episode where one hasnt been, blown up, crew dead or missing, stuck in rocks, crew all sexed up
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    Oberth was the ship that got the least amount of votes in the poll. I imagine it'll be some time before we see it in the game, but I do expect to see it as the starter level "science" ship at some point.

    Nah, it'll be out before the Ambassador. As I've said in that past, that ship is the ******* child of Star Trek. At least the Oberth is shown doing something (blowing up usually). I think the Ambassador is shown in 3 or 4 episodes, and only one of them for more than 5 or so seconds.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I like the Oberth. It'd be a nice complement to the Miranda.*

    No need for a T5 design, though. From where I'm standing, the Oracle-class is the direct successor to the Oberth. :D



    *: In fact, I'd even support moving the Refit-Constitution to this tier, so that the Excalibur does appear as more advanced and capable. This way, we'd have Connie, Miranda and Oberth as starter ships (a nice combination of vessels from a past era), all depending on the player's chosen career.**

    **: Expanding on this, the Centaur could move to Tac-T2, nudging the Saber to T3, which would in turn make it possible to move the Akira into the cruiser category ... okay okay I'll stop here. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I like that Valias. Especially considering the Nova class is supposed to be the successor to the Oberth class.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Well I don't like it, its fine how it is.

    Oberth as a starter ship makes sense, but I hope they put it off for a while and work on ships people will actually use for more than 2 days. Look how much time they spent on the NX, and it's more of a frill item than anything.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I would rather have the Oberth be a starter Science ship.

    Im still mad about the NX Class....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    alexbond45 wrote: »
    I would rather have the Oberth be a starter Science ship.

    Im still mad about the NX Class....

    Wut?

    I listed the Oberth as a starter ship.

    Also the NX class is a starter ship.

    :confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Well I don't like it, its fine how it is.

    Oberth as a starter ship makes sense, but I hope they put it off for a while and work on ships people will actually use for more than 2 days. Look how much time they spent on the NX, and it's more of a frill item than anything.

    You do realize there are people out there that are VA and still running around in their Mirandas and Centaurs right? Matter of fact, I believe there's a fleet out there that only uses the TOS Connie.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    You do realize there are people out there that are VA and still running around in their Mirandas and Centaurs right? Matter of fact, I believe there's a fleet out there that only uses the TOS Connie.

    Yeah, I know. But its not a LOT of people, so 99.99% of players WON'T use it past LtCmdr1 save for a bit of nostalgia every so often. I'd probably be one of them.


    My point is... it just seems a bit of a waste to make starter ships when there are SO many other ships needing to be made right now. The NX is okay because its one of the "stars" of Trek. The Oberth... isn't.

    I hope eventually they put some effort into making refits so these costumes don't dwell unused in the ship list, along with a lot of the other lower tier ships)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I'm really glad that the NX is going to be a starter ship. I've gotten tired of making alts, and having to play the Miranda all the time. Since the NX is going to be a starter escort, having the Oberth be a starter science ship would be great.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Oberth as the starter science ship would really round out that tier, especially if they keep it out of the C-store and make it an actual choice at the start of the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I like the idea that was proposed for the Constitution Class Refit, Oberth and Miranda (as well as TOS Connie) going into the starter tier.

    Then, all ships beyond would be "modern".

    And I wouldn't be opposed to seeing a "modern" take on the Oberth either, similar to the Excalibur being a take on the Constitution Class.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    As I mentioned in the thread on the NX-Class ship, I would be fine with seeing an Oberth as a Science starter variant. I was actually kinda shocked that it wasn't in the game already as it was already an established ship class.

    And there's nothing wrong with adding more options at lower tiers. You can only grind so many alts on a Miranda or Constitution before you are demanding more to work with.

    With the NX-Class, we'll finally have an Escort to go with the Connie Cruiser and basic freebie starter ship. It only makes sense to see a Science variant...this would be the perfect match.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    Oberth was the ship that got the least amount of votes in the poll. I imagine it'll be some time before we see it in the game, but I do expect to see it as the starter level "science" ship at some point.

    In the same time, in the futur, we can have a Oberth Retrofit Tier 6 :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Freedom and Oberth for extra starter vessels... New Orleans and ??? for T1...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    As the NX is soon to be offered (via C-store) as a T0 Escort, I suppose that makes Miranda out to be the T0 Cruiser? With Miranda alone I was never quite certain where she fit. If I'm correct Oberth is, IMO, the logical next step for a T0 Science Vessel.

    When that happens is anyone's guess. I suspect that will play into whatever becomes of the Tutorial after Season 3 is released.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    My point is... it just seems a bit of a waste to make starter ships when there are SO many other ships needing to be made right now.

    Like the Ambassador and New Orleans classes? :D

    I'm still waiting on a star cruiser that isn't hideous myself. Not quite sure what class can fill that role offhand though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Anyone who names their ship Saratoga or is in an Oberth, if they come out, should get an automatic 'death at the beginning of a mission to show the moment is tense...' If your Oberth is named Saratoga... it should blow up upon leaving space dock.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Hravik wrote:
    Like the Ambassador and New Orleans classes? :D

    I'm still waiting on a star cruiser that isn't hideous myself. Not quite sure what class can fill that role offhand though.

    Yeah not a fan of those myself, though Ive seen some decent ones via mix-n-match. I want one with some angular pylons and sections.

    The Vesta is a lot like the Star cruisers, but its smaller and supposed to be an advanced science ship.. but it can maybe inspire another Starcruiser skin as well.


    And yeah, guilty, I needs me an Ambassador.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Hravik wrote:
    Like the Ambassador and New Orleans classes? :D

    I'm still waiting on a star cruiser that isn't hideous myself. Not quite sure what class can fill that role offhand though.

    What about the Aventine?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I'm just not a fan of the flattened out and stretched ship classes that kind of started with the Intrepid. I think that's where my dislike of the star cruisers stems from.

    I'm thinking something more like the Odysseus class or Ulysses class from StarFleet Command...only larger and a more modern version of it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The Oberth is on the short list of Fed ships we want in the game asap.

    Some other Fed ships that we want...
    - Ambassador (probably will be a Galaxy Variant)
    - Vesta
    - Andorian

    and then the Fan submitted next Enterprise which will be decided by a contest starting up in the US sometime in December.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    dstahl wrote: »
    - Ambassador (probably will be a Galaxy Variant)

    Please no. The Ambassador is way too small to be a variant of the Galaxy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    dstahl wrote: »
    The Oberth is on the short list of Fed ships we want in the game asap.

    Some other Fed ships that we want...
    - Ambassador (probably will be a Galaxy Variant)
    - Vesta
    - Andorian

    and then the Fan submitted next Enterprise which will be decided by a contest starting up in the US sometime in December.

    I was upset the Ambassador wasn't in the game to begin with, and on top of that, you released the Excelsior before the Ambassador. Logically it should follow a cruiser progression as follows:

    Tier 1: Constitution
    Tier 2: Excelsior
    Tier 3: Ambassador
    Tier 4: Galaxy
    Tier 5: Sovereign

    With the advent of adding the NX-01 as a "Tier 0" ship, you would effectively have all of the Enterprises available on every tier.
    Hravik wrote:
    Please no. The Ambassador is way too small to be a variant of the Galaxy.

    And this. According to size, the Ambassador is smaller (around 100 meters smaller) than the Galaxy. A Galaxy-variant, it is not. If you want variants on the Galaxy, look to the Springfield Class (currently not ingame).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Hravik wrote:
    Please no. The Ambassador is way too small to be a variant of the Galaxy.

    Unless he means it'll be a tier 4 alternate, in much the same way that the Excelsior is to the Cheyenne-class.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
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    Man what a day. Careful, Mr Stahl, you're going to spoil us after today :)

    As a Galaxy variant, do you mean the captain one, or the retrofit one?

    Its closer in size to the Excelsior (but with the profile of a Galaxy, the original design was supposed to be a fusion of the 2)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    dstahl wrote: »
    and then the Fan submitted next Enterprise which will be decided by a contest starting up in the US sometime in December.

    Is there any way you could possibly get this opened up to those outside of America? By my admittedly extremely limited knowledge of US law (there would obviously be more to it than I know) So long as its explicitly stated in no uncertain terms that the submitter forfeits all rights to the design if it is chosen and so long as there is no monetary value to the 'prize' of being chosen it should allow it to be opened up in many other countries. As said my understanding is limited but I believe those are the two biggest things for most US based contests open to people outside the US. Guarantee you'd get a lot of interest.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    dstahl wrote: »
    The Oberth is on the short list of Fed ships we want in the game asap.

    Some other Fed ships that we want...
    - Ambassador (probably will be a Galaxy Variant)
    - Vesta
    - Andorian

    and then the Fan submitted next Enterprise which will be decided by a contest starting up in the US sometime in December.

    the vesta would make a great star cruiser variant
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I was upset the Ambassador wasn't in the game to begin with, and on top of that, you released the Excelsior before the Ambassador. Logically it should follow a cruiser progression as follows:

    Tier 1: Constitution
    Tier 2: Excelsior
    Tier 3: Ambassador
    Tier 4: Galaxy
    Tier 5: Sovereign

    With the advent of adding the NX-01 as a "Tier 0" ship, you would effectively have all of the Enterprises available on every tier.



    And this. According to size, the Ambassador is smaller (around 100 meters smaller) than the Galaxy. A Galaxy-variant, it is not. If you want variants on the Galaxy, look to the Springfield Class (currently not ingame).

    You have a problem though, Tier0 is what we know as Tier1, its the starter ships.

    Currently:

    Tier1: Miranda/TOS Connie
    Tier2: Constitution Refit + Excalibur and Vesper
    Tier3: Cheyenne/Stargazer and Excelsior
    Tier4: Galaxy
    Tier5: Sovereign and the Star Cruisers


    It probablt doesn't make much sense to move the ships around in tiers, so here is what I suggest:

    Ambassador: T4 (with a T5 refit option, maybe sharing Excelsior refit stats)
    If they need to round out T2 with another cruiser-type, the Constellation class would work (though I could see flipflopping Excelsior and Constellation, because Excelsior is technically an older design, and that would make the "hull types" line up correctly)

    but thats a nitpick.
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