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Klingon players who already spent their free token for a Kar'Fi Carrier (there was no other choice at this time) got one more free token today.

Kudos to Cryptic for that.


But you also screwed players like me who did *NOT* spend their token and held it back. They got screwed, one less token.

http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2158

The irony is that dStahl himself recommended holding back on spending the token.

"Q: LtSmith: If I hit Lt. General before the new KDF refit ships come out and spend my token on the carrier will I have to a chance to get another free token or will I have to buy the new ships in the C-Store or with emblems?
A: This is TBD. However, to be safe, I'd hold off on spending your ship token on the carrier if you are really wanting one of the other ships."

Well, we held back as suggested. And thus we did not get a free token, which is quite some emblems or CP! :eek:



I can only assume this is an oversight or bug and hope this will be corrected.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I agree not giving everyone a second token is unreasonable methinks. Moreover giving everyone a second token would also be highly warranted given Dan's comment. I also did not spend my token when I made general is anticipation of the new ships and only having one token.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Sadly I got caught out by this, was thinking of getting the Kar'fi but with the new ships coming out which looked better options I too hung on to the token expecting that if I used it I would be left to buy the new ship I wanted by some other means.

    This was further reinforced by the comments in the ask Cryptic by Dan Stahl as you can't go wrong listening to the guy in charge can you?!?

    So basically my prudence has backfired to the point I lost out on the chance to get a "free" Karfi, whilst I don't consider myself as having been "screwed" out of anything I have been left out by dancing to Cryptics tune YET again (multiple pre orders, lifetime sub Borg cpt, 5 referels etc)

    Makes me feel like cryptics TRIBBLE, I do what I'm told and they kick me in the teeth but I just keep coming back for more :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I suppose none of you know the meaning of "To Be Decided"?

    FYI Devs came out and said more than once before this update went live that everyone who had already spent their token would get a free new one.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    yea i used my token as soon as i got it for the kar fi, this was back when there werent much word on new klingon ships :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The logic here was that players who spent their token when they had only one choice would not be punished for using the only option available to them at the time.

    You kept your token, so you had the option to spend it on any of the 3 new ships. Why should you get a consolation "prize" when you didn't have the same problem the other people did? You can take your token and get any of the 3 new ships - without the free token, the others did not have that choice.

    You have lost out on nothing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Um - I don't see what the problem is...

    You can always use your current token to test to your heart's content - both you and those who already spent it (and got a token) can both get a ship for free.

    Pro-Tip:
    If you get a free token, do as the Feds did when the retrofits hit Holodeck during Season 2:
    • Create a few TTS Copies of your Character that has the token
    • Fly all the ships on Tribble
    • Decide which you want based on Tribble
    • Get that ship on Holodeck with the token

    This is exactly what many Feds did so I'm not certain what the huge deal is.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Um - I don't see what the problem is...

    You can always use your current token to test to your heart's content - both you and those who already spent it (and got a token) can both get a ship for free.

    Pro-Tip:
    If you get a free token, do as the Feds did when the retrofits hit Holodeck during Season 2:
    • Create a few TTS Copies of your Character that has the token
    • Fly all the ships on Tribble
    • Decide which you want based on Tribble
    • Get that ship on Holodeck with the token

    This is exactly what many Feds did so I'm not certain what the huge deal is.

    Klingon players were initially told by Dstahl to hold off spending their free ship token if they wanted to get one of these ships.

    Then when these ships are live, those who had already spent their token on the karfi got another token.

    Those who did not spend their token on the karfi did not get another token, as they already had one.

    So, those who got their karfi before today got it for free, while the current players who did not spend their token must now choose to spend it on one of these three new ships OR the karfi.

    EDIT: Feel free to correct my post if I've misunderstood the OP's complaint; might've gotten my facts wrong.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The issue is clear:

    If you spent the token you get:
    Kar'Fi + one more free ship token

    If you kept your token:
    nothing + a free ship token


    Did you get it now?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    (re:http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3136967&postcount=3)
    If you are a Klingon that has already reached max level, you will get a ship token for one of the 3 new ships. You will also be allowed to KEEP your Kar'fi.

    If you are a Klingon that has NOT reached max level, you will get a token that will allow you to choose one ship from the 3 new ships or the Kar'fi.
    I understood it as, if you spent yours before you get a new one. Not you get two tokens if you didn't spend it.

    Things change from time to time thus the point of online gaming. Stahl probably didn't know at the time they were going to give everyone a new token, but this was posted days ago to give everyone a chance to buy the kar'fi and get another token for the new ship.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Um - I don't see what the problem is...

    You can always use your current token to test to your heart's content - both you and those who already spent it (and got a token) can both get a ship for free.

    Pro-Tip:
    If you get a free token, do as the Feds did when the retrofits hit Holodeck during Season 2:
    • Create a few TTS Copies of your Character that has the token
    • Fly all the ships on Tribble
    • Decide which you want based on Tribble
    • Get that ship on Holodeck with the token

    This is exactly what many Feds did so I'm not certain what the huge deal is.
    PRO TIP, EXCELLENT IDEA :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Longasc wrote:
    The issue is clear:

    If you spent the token you get:
    Kar'Fi + one more free ship token

    If you kept your token:
    nothing + a free ship token


    Did you get it now?

    DStahl didn't know whether or not a new free token was to be delivered upon this patch. He gave the safest advice he could. If you heeded that advice and have forgone your additional token, its your own fault, but I can tell you with 99% certainty that you wouldn't be complaining if you hadn't gotten the token, it would be the ones who had gotten the carrier anyway.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Longasc wrote:
    The issue is clear:

    If you spent the token you get:
    Kar'Fi + one more free ship token

    If you kept your token:
    nothing + a free ship token


    Did you get it now?

    So... Youre upset that some people got 2 free ships, while you got one?

    How about just be happy for them instead of jealous that they got 2 ships?
    (for the record, 1 of my 3 Klingon toons have the Kar'fi)

    Now.. Since youre opening the can of worms.. Should all Feds also recieve another free shiptoken? It would only be logical if youre suggesting all KDF players should get 2.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The logic here was that players who spent their token when they had only one choice would not be punished for using the only option available to them at the time.

    You kept your token, so you had the option to spend it on any of the 3 new ships. Why should you get a consolation "prize" when you didn't have the same problem the other people did? You can take your token and get any of the 3 new ships - without the free token, the others did not have that choice.

    You have lost out on nothing.

    Hmmm... OK I'll play. By that logic all the people that were compelled to buy the single option should lose access to it after the new ships are released. If they then chose to reacquire it then good for them. Nothing lost...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Yup, I too held back my token on the advice of Cryptic. Someone, I think it was Stahl, recommended that on an episode of STOked in an interview. I feel a bit betrayed by that frankly. Not that I am throwing my rattle out of the pram and leaving, I just feel quite let down. I played the game, took their advice, and it was the wrong decision.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    So people are upset that they are not going to get a ship that they didn't want for free.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Have the same problem, didnt spend the token before this patch went live, I went by Dstal's suggestion. I was upset about it, I no longer have the option to get the Kar Fi.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Yup, I too held back my token on the advice of Cryptic. Someone, I think it was Stahl, recommended that on an episode of STOked in an interview. I feel a bit betrayed by that frankly. Not that I am throwing my rattle out of the pram and leaving, I just feel quite let down. I played the game, took their advice, and it was the wrong decision.

    It was presumably the best advice he could offer at the time given his knowledge, so you were operating on the best information you had. You weren't betrayed so much as given good, cautionary advice that turned out to be unnecessary. It happens every day.

    Look, I think you should get another token, too, since everyone else did, but please everyone, don't try to push blame on Stahl for the advice he gave. If you all hadn't known one way or the other, you'd have given the same advice he did.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Longasc wrote:
    The issue is clear:

    If you spent the token you get:
    Kar'Fi + one more free ship token

    If you kept your token:
    nothing + a free ship token


    Did you get it now?

    No, no - I completely understood: it was very petty "taking to task" based on old, tentative information that was acknowledged as such in the OP.

    It's become silly hyperbole by this point.
    gx4th wrote: »
    Klingon players were initially told by Dstahl to hold off spending their free ship token if they wanted to get one of these ships.

    Then when these ships are live, those who had already spent their token on the karfi got another token.

    Those who did not spend their token on the karfi did not get another token, as they already had one.

    So, those who got their karfi before today got it for free, while the current players who did not spend their token must now choose to spend it on one of these three new ships OR the karfi.

    EDIT: Feel free to correct my post if I've misunderstood the OP's complaint; might've gotten my facts wrong.

    I get that: however, it doesn't change the fact that everyone got at least one free ship. I'm just not sure why there's a really pressing need to take dstahl to task for a tentative, speculative statement that was written before all that information was determined.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Fenrir1536 wrote: »
    So people are upset that they are not going to get a ship that they didn't want for free.

    Now that is not entirely true now is it. I never said I didn;t want the retrofit carrier. I would very much like to have tried it at some point. If I had know it would be a total giveaway I almost certainly would have done. I use a carrier currently in PvP. The reason I never bought it with my token was becuse, being an Orion Seperatists, I wanted an Orion Cruiser MORE. I needed to make sure I could have that and try that first.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Pro-Tip:
    When the patch notes said you'd get a token (and were posted last night), you had your chance to spend your existing token and get the new token once the patch was applied this morning. ;) You still had a window where you could've done it. :)

    If you failed to act after reading last night's notes, you missed out.

    This is what we in the real world call "deductive reasoning." No one owes you anything for failing to put two and two together. Walk it off.

    The great part is that people are acting like they were wronged - that what dstahl said on Nov 1st still applied Nov. 12th - regardless of what transpired on the the 2nd through the 11th.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    .Spartan wrote: »
    Hmmm... OK I'll play. By that logic all the people that were compelled to buy the single option should lose access to it after the new ships are released. If they then chose to reacquire it then good for them. Nothing lost...

    Because God forbid ANYONE gets more that you or me?

    How about leaving it as-is... So, a few people get a ship, that even fewer like/use... So what, it doesnt hurt my game experience..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Now that is not entirely true now is it. I never said I didn;t want the retrofit carrier. I would very much like to have tried it at some point. If I had know it would be a total giveaway I almost certainly would have done. I use a carrier currently in PvP. The reason I never bought it with my token was becuse, being an Orion Seperatists, I wanted an Orion Cruiser MORE. I needed to make sure I could have that and try that first.

    You could of always tried the Far'Kai (spelling?) carrier on tribble.

    Nothing prevented you from doing that, and if you haven't used your token yet you can still do that.

    I have a Klingon character, and although it would of been nice Im not at the level to have taken advantage of this. I didn't lose anything by not having both ships for free, and I don't know why people feel like they have.

    It really comes down to my post earlier. If you didn't want the Far'Kai carrier enough to spend your token on it, then I really don't think you have any reason to gripe.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Q: Will anyone in any situation be able to fly a brand new ship on day one of the new patch?
    A: Yes
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I too held on to my token on the advice of Dsthal and although I wont take him to task I do think there
    should have been some info that pepole who used there token would get another.

    In my opinion cryptic should not have givien another token to the people who used theres they should have
    to farm emblems or pay money to get another ship since thats what im going to have to do get a second
    ship.

    But since they did give a new token then all kdf should get the token not just those who used it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The Kar'Fi cruiser is purchased with an entirely different ingame currency to the retrofit cruisers, plus the new ships are C-Store.

    People that already have the Kar'Fi and have gained an additional token are just getting one high-priced ship, just as anyone who kept their token is getting.

    If people that kept their tokens gained another token, then those people would be getting 2 tokens to get 2 free C-Store/high-emblem ships. THAT would not be fair.

    Gaining 2 free refits is far more unfair than someone gaining 1 free Kar'fi and 1 free refit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Pro-Tip:
    When the patch notes said you'd get a token (and were posted last night), you had your chance to spend your existing token and get the new token once the patch was applied this morning. ;) You still had a window where you could've done it. :)

    If you failed to act after reading last night's notes, you missed out.

    This is what we in the real world call "deductive reasoning." No one owes you anything for failing to put two and two together. Walk it off.

    The great part is that people are acting like they were wronged - that what dstahl said on Nov 1st still applied Nov. 12th - regardless of what transpired on the the 2nd through the 11th.



    Funny I didnt see where thay said we would get another ship token although I did see this-

    Brigadier Generals and higher will get a respec token to account for the skill changes.


    Now I may be wrong but I always thought ship tokens and respec tokens were two diffrent things
    and if I am wrong them my bad.

    That being said I did check the patch notes yesterday just for the reason to see if they were going to
    give a free "ship token" to those who used theirs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The Kar'Fi cruiser is purchased with an entirely different ingame currency to the retrofit cruisers, plus the new ships are C-Store.

    People that already have the Kar'Fi and have gained an additional token are just getting one high-priced ship, just as anyone who kept their token is getting.

    If people that kept their tokens gained another token, then those people would be getting 2 tokens to get 2 free C-Store/high-emblem ships. THAT would not be fair.

    Gaining 2 free refits is far more unfair than someone gaining 1 free Kar'fi and 1 free refit.

    I agree

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Especially consider that a large number of people had no "Choice"
    The Kar'Fi was the only option available to them and as far as many knew that was all there would be.

    The new free tokens are for those who bought the only selection they had as fair compensation for being forced down to one choice.
    I know that i for one will probally not be going back to the Kar'Fi now that i have my B'rel.

    If no free tokens were given, then everyone who already got the Kar'Fi would be uproar because they had no choice.
    If free tokens were given to everyone then people who already got the Kar'Fi would be in uproar because people who did not spend their tokens get two ships of their own choosing.
    In addition if Free token was given to "all" klingons, then the feds would be in uproar also demanding a 2nd free token.

    Its a no win scenario, and the current solution is really the best one.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Pro-Tip:
    When the patch notes said you'd get a token (and were posted last night), you had your chance to spend your existing token and get the new token once the patch was applied this morning. ;) You still had a window where you could've done it. :)

    If you failed to act after reading last night's notes, you missed out.

    This is what we in the real world call "deductive reasoning." No one owes you anything for failing to put two and two together. Walk it off.

    The great part is that people are acting like they were wronged - that what dstahl said on Nov 1st still applied Nov. 12th - regardless of what transpired on the the 2nd through the 11th.

    It is Still an error and wrong-doing by Cryptic.
    **Did they use the Bulletin to say the TBD token wasnt going to apply to those who saved it??
    **Did the put a huge post on the Online Forum??
    **Did they amend their 3 posted messages?? (Stahl & Stormie both said the same deal in 2 different threads)


    No, so they did not give the players notice that they wouldn't get a free token due to all ready having one. So, players who had used their token got to choose the Kar'Fi as it was the only choice available....i understand it. Now they are rewarded with a 2nd token to get one of the new 3 ships.
    2 Ships by tokens....good!
    On the other hand, you have players who recently made LTG or had saved their token knowing months down the road these ships would be available; yet, did not like or care for the carrier choice. So, they get to choose 1 ship.....more or less, 1 of the 3 new ones.

    END RESULT, some players got one less ship vs others When they had time, given Cryptic made an announcement, to use it and still get a free one. Now these players are left having to save emblems for a ship vs gear or pay by credit card to get another ship.
    Regardless, if those players thought they would have 2 tokens to use at this time....the still got SHAFTED. End Point!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Uh salami posted stating as such that those that SPENT the token get another one.
    I even linked to the post.

    Even if they did what you asked, posted in the bulletins, made an announcement post, hell even made the entire website in big bold letters stating "IF YOU STILL HAVE YOUR TOKEN YOU WILL NOT GET A NEW ONE", this situation would still arise :p
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