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Can we give the Klingons access to Beta Ursae, Alpha Trianguli, and Zeta Andromedae? Then the Badlands could be an open PvP map instead of a completely unused social zone. Besides, the Federation was at war with the Klingons in Deep Space Nine, but still had them show up on the station anyway. The Deferi series gave them Orellius as a gateway to the area, and with the recent True Way/Klingon conflict in the Devidian saga, it could open up new mission content for Klingons.

Mav750k proposed another addition that plays into this request. Add Federation DSEs for Klingon ships that enter Federation space so that the "war" feels more like a "war" and less like a mutual dislike.

Oh, and some objective-based PvP maps that aren't the Ker'rat system would be appreciated.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    klingons should have access to at least two of the cardassian sectors and i suspect they will get access eventually.

    badlands open pvp sounds good. perhaps pvp over empok nor as well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    how are the klingons going to get over there though without being seen? I have taken into account that the avarage Fed Iq is... well.. low but the Npcs will see us :O
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    how are the klingons going to get over there though without being seen? I have taken into account that the avarage Fed Iq is... well.. low but the Npcs will see us :O

    The Orellius sector bridges Eta Eridani and Beta Ursae. You could just cut through Deferi space.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The Orellius sector bridges Eta Eridani and Beta Ursae. You could just cut through Deferi space.

    lol crazy map confuses me... deferi space its north of spoon head space yet easy of klink space... Dammit cryptic... confused.com better have the answer to this!

    wait a minute.. i mean west.. not east :O
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    how are the klingons going to get over there though without being seen?

    if only they possessed some form of invisibility. a 'cloak' if you will. ;)

    klinks and feds mingle in eta and orellius already, and soon to be psi canis so i dont see a big deal.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I had made a post some months ago in some regards to this, but the overall idea was to end the war and allow Klingons access to all the same content that Federation players do so as to fatten up Klingon content. I'd love for Klingons to have access to all the same space that Feds do, the problem is whether you have anything to do there. Still lobbying for pvp control zones throughout the galaxy...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Gozer is already opening up Pi Canis to the KDF. If it is a success, they will slowly open up the rest of the galaxy to us.

    And I agree that the Badlands could be a good spot for an Open PvP sector. And someone mentioned Empok Nor. I could potentially see that as a ground-based contested area.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Gozer is already opening up Pi Canis to the KDF. If it is a success, they will slowly open up the rest of the galaxy to us.

    Can you link the post?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The Galaxy is not a 2d plane. So while its shown that way in the ingame map, in reality its possible to navigate up or down and bypass some sectors.

    Keep in mind that Sirius isn't adjacent to Beta Ursae either, there is space inbetween, including the location of Betazed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The Galaxy is not a 2d plane. So while its shown that way in the ingame map, in reality its possible to navigate up or down and bypass some sectors.

    Keep in mind that Sirius isn't adjacent to Beta Ursae either, there is space inbetween, including the location of Betazed.

    I honestly can't tell whether you're in favor of this or against it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I'm fine with it, besides, they're already beginning to add more sectors.


    I was just replying to those that asked how they would get there through Fed space.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The Galaxy is not a 2d plane. So while its shown that way in the ingame map, in reality its possible to navigate up or down and bypass some sectors.

    I think that's a Star Trek thing in general. One thing that always irritated the hell out of me was when some weird space cloud or shockwave approached the ship, the crew would "raise shields and brace for impact". Here's an idea, why not just go over it? Yes I realize it makes for good TV but come on....! :o

    I'm not sure I'd give Klingons access to all of the current space in STO, but instead give them new sectors of their own. In this time of war, it'd be awfully weird seeing Klink ships tooling about in Sirius. Unless of course there was Open PvP, then it'd make more sense. However, I do agree they should get access to at least one Cardassian zone cause of the their battles with the True Way from the Devidian arc, and at least one Romulan zone since the Klingons also had some issues with them before 2409.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I'm not sure I'd give Klingons access to all of the current space in STO, but instead give them new sectors of their own. In this time of war, it'd be awfully weird seeing Klink ships tooling about in Sirius. Unless of course there was Open PvP, then it'd make more sense. However, I do agree they should get access to at least one Cardassian zone cause of the their battles with the True Way from the Devidian arc, and at least one Romulan zone since the Klingons also had some issues with them before 2409.

    There's a war going on? Outside of PvP, you don't hear anything about it after you hit around level 15 or so Fed-side. I think that opening up more sectors would make actually HAVING a war between the two factions meaningful. If they don't do more with it, they might as well have Starfleet and the KDF sign a truce and be allies again...in which case opening up sectors would again make sense.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    1)Who wouldn't like that

    2)Why would you advertise your idea like that? :P

    3)They are already talking about all that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Martok42 wrote: »
    1)Who wouldn't like that

    2)Why would you advertise your idea like that? :P

    3)They are already talking about all that.

    1.) Federation players who are vehemently anti-Klingon.
    2.) Because I was honestly unsure of how it would be received.
    3.) From what I've seen, they were only talking about the Pi Canis part.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    The Klingons were always hangin around DS9 in the show. They had a war over there against the Spoonheads that the Feds DID NOT sanction, so they can obviously get over there without the Feds stopping them. I am all for opening up sectors for klingons. Add some roaming Fed NPCs to the sectors to let the Klingons have some PVE DSEs to attack in Fed space. I really think that they need to add some fleet actions in Fed space for Klingons too. Their Klingons... enough of this defend Klingon space TRIBBLE. LET THEM ATTACK SOMETHING!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Mav750k wrote: »
    The Klingons were always hangin around DS9 in the show. They had a war over there against the Spoonheads that the Feds DID NOT sanction, so they can obviously get over there without the Feds stopping them. I am all for opening up sectors for klingons. Add some roaming Fed NPCs to the sectors to let the Klingons have some PVE DSEs to attack in Fed space. I really think that they need to add some fleet actions in Fed space for Klingons too. Their Klingons... enough of this defend Klingon space TRIBBLE. LET THEM ATTACK SOMETHING!

    This also sounds like it could be a fantastic idea. Mind if I add it to the first post?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    This also sounds like it could be a fantastic idea. Mind if I add it to the first post?

    No probs. Go for it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    /s i g n e d.


    throw some random style repeatible missions in these sector blocks, give everybody a "pvp ignore" feature and go for it!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Roach wrote: »
    /s i g n e d.


    throw some random style repeatible missions in these sector blocks, give everybody a "pvp ignore" feature and go for it!

    If they restrict open PvP to a few systems, the PvP ignore function may not be necessary.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    If they restrict open PvP to a few systems, the PvP ignore function may not be necessary.

    True, possibly, but some players who do not like pvp will still enter an Open-PvP zone if there is a mission inside said zone that they want to play. In order to protect them from pvp ganking and to prevent us from hearing such "I was ganked" cries on the forums a Non-violent participant option may be needed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Can we give the Klingons access to Beta Ursae, Alpha Trianguli, and Zeta Andromedae? Then the Badlands could be an open PvP map instead of a completely unused social zone. Besides, the Federation was at war with the Klingons in Deep Space Nine, but still had them show up on the station anyway. The Deferi series gave them Orellius as a gateway to the area, and with the recent True Way/Klingon conflict in the Devidian saga, it could open up new mission content for Klingons.

    Mav750k proposed another addition that plays into this request. Add Federation DSEs for Klingon ships that enter Federation space so that the "war" feels more like a "war" and less like a mutual dislike.

    GREAT IDEA!!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Gozer is already opening up Pi Canis to the KDF. If it is a success, they will slowly open up the rest of the galaxy to us.

    Not sure if I like the idea of Klingons having the run of the ENTIRE map. At the very least, the Sirius Sector Block should be reserved for Federation Players *only,* as the Omega Leonis Sector Block is reserved for Klingons only (and should remain so). I am tempted to say that the Regulus Sector Block should be closed to Klingons as well, except that it is currently the only concieveable way for Klingon players to access the Romulan Sectors - unless Crytpic is planning to allow access to Psi Velorum et all from Psi Canis.

    In-game map.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Think of it as Contested Zones in that Blizzard game that I refuse to name.

    Klingons can roam through the Federation parts of space, but they better expect to get ganked if they do. Same thing with Klingon space -- give the Federation some reason to want to go deeper into their territory, but be aware of the fact that you will probably get jumped if you do.

    I really love the idea of opening the Badlands as an open PVP zone... that's just bloody brilliant. However, there are some Federation storyline missions that go on in there, so I can see the necessity for a PVP-flag.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Although Im not opposed to this idea wouldn't this make more sense in one of the Romulus sectors?

    The only problem I see is that the klingons have no real reason to be in cardassian space, no real interest on their part

    Based on the ingame canon both the federation and the Klingon empires have separate interests in that region of space. The federation want to assist and ultimately incorporate breakaway romulan held world and the Klingons want to invade and annex the romulan empire. They would have some real reason to fight over different areas of space and resources.

    This is also looking towards the addition of the romulan faction eventually. It would be pretty awesome to have a three way battle between the big three star trek empires.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Sanford42 wrote:
    I really love the idea of opening the Badlands as an open PVP zone... that's just bloody brilliant. However, there are some Federation storyline missions that go on in there, so I can see the necessity for a PVP-flag.
    /signed

    I was always a big fan of the Badlands! In STO this nice space area is (for my taste) a little underrepresented. So, when we can use the Foundry, i will possibly make a mission there (but for Risa first! ^^ - or maybe a combination, hmm... so much possibilitys :) ). Anyway: PvP in the Badlands would be really awesome! :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    There's a war going on? Outside of PvP, you don't hear anything about it after you hit around level 15 or so Fed-side. I think that opening up more sectors would make actually HAVING a war between the two factions meaningful. If they don't do more with it, they might as well have Starfleet and the KDF sign a truce and be allies again...in which case opening up sectors would again make sense.

    I think part of the problem with "the War" is that PvP currently doesn't reflect a war-like environment.

    Instead, it's more like a training exercise. I mean, seriously, we have circular arenas, fenced in by transwarp gates, where we get together and shoot at each other.

    That's not war. That's a tactical exercise.

    I suggested in another thread that if we had some maps which created some realistic war type scenarios, then maybe the War might be more interesting and meaningful.

    For example, having some maps that have NO TRANSWARP GATES, but rather, you have a rally point for respawns (like Fleet Actions) and your match would take place around a Starbase, or in orbit of a planet, or in an empty space littered with the broken hulls of ships. Essentially, create some PvP maps and scenarios that would feel more like a live-action Fleet Action. you could still have the arena style PvP as well, for people that enjoy that, but we need something more, where it doesn't feel like we are fighting in a shoebox.

    Heck, imagine a PvP scenario that closely mimics Starbase 24. You fight in space, and then perhaps you'd have the option to beam down to the starbase you are fighting over and fight in ground combat. Ultimate objective for the match would be Capture the Starbase (Klingons) or Defend the Starbase (Federation) and both the space phase and ground phase would count towards completing the objective.

    Also, I really think Cryptic needs to spend some time focusing on the War from the upper level PvE perspective as well, because as you pointed out, once you hit Lieutentant Commander and Commander, it seems to become very unimportant, and so people lose interest in the war, or it has no impact on their game experience. Heck, the Borg and the Undine get more time as baddies in the game, than our primary advesary at the moment, which is the Klingons.

    We need a renewed focus on the primary focus of the game, which is war. Otherwise, the war, as the primary basis of the game, is meaningless.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Added another little bit to the end of the first post.
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