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When you finish the latest mission, Drake talks about the entire Sector and how the Devidians pulling the entire sector out of synch with reality could "drag thousand of civilians to their deaths" - last I checked a Sector is HUEGEEEEEE, you guys need to edit that to millions of civilians, or even "millions of sentients"
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I was wondering about that.....or even say hundreds of worlds...something to indicate that it is a REAL threat.

    As a Captain though I can honestly claim thousands of deaths by my own hand as I leveled to Admiral.....so....its not ok if the Davidians do it, but if I do it...it's just a work related hazard?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Partially agree. a sector doesn't mean its "filled" space is what the name is-space. some is empty. a lot of it is void of things but just--space. But the map of a chunk they call a "sector" means that area is identified and grouped...but one inhabited world should have BILLIONS not just millions, on average. Except maybe vulcan colonies, el eurians (they live for near endless time as far as we know they would/should likely being a long lived species not reproduce very often and have small populations of long lived people.).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Good point, depending on the size of the colonies and especially if there's any alien homeworlds in the sector i think it could even easily be billions.

    Heck the xindi test weapon which barely cut through two countries on one planet killed around seven million people!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I don't think there'd be that many people living in the Neutral Zone. It is after all the front line of the war with the Klingons, there'd probably be a few scattered colonies of a few thousand people, but no more than that
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I don't think there'd be that many people living in the Neutral Zone. It is after all the front line of the war with the Klingons, there'd probably be a few scattered colonies of a few thousand people, but no more than that

    Well, what about all of the colonies that are neutral in the neutral zone? There has to be quite a few without warp capability that are largely ignored by space faring groups.

    Thats why they call it space....because there is a lot of it....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    We're dealing with Section 31, remember?

    There could easily be only 100,000s of human civilians - the rest don't have souls. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    castogere wrote: »
    Well, what about all of the colonies that are neutral in the neutral zone? There has to be quite a few without warp capability that are largely ignored by space faring groups.

    Thats why they call it space....because there is a lot of it....

    They would have been evacuated by the Feds when they realised war was imminent, don't you think. The Fed's wouldn't just leave them to be enslaved or otherwise destroyed by the Klingons
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    They would have been evacuated by the Feds when they realised war was imminent, don't you think. The Fed's wouldn't just leave them to be enslaved or otherwise destroyed by the Klingons

    Last time they tried something similar they gave birth to the maquis.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Cormoran wrote: »
    Last time they tried something similar they gave birth to the maquis.

    Well, that'd be a very good direction for the game to go in
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    We're dealing with Section 31, remember?

    There could easily be only 100,000s of human civilians - the rest don't have souls. :rolleyes:

    to me this makes sence, also what if he was talking about his own agents in the nutral zone.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    They would have been evacuated by the Feds when they realised war was imminent, don't you think. The Fed's wouldn't just leave them to be enslaved or otherwise destroyed by the Klingons

    What about the prime directive?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I personally feel Drake was only talking about Human casualties :S
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    When you finish the latest mission, Drake talks about the entire Sector and how the Devidians pulling the entire sector out of synch with reality could "drag thousand of civilians to their deaths" - last I checked a Sector is HUEGEEEEEE, you guys need to edit that to millions of civilians, or even "millions of sentients"

    I can't remember if there are any proper inhabited worlds in the Eta Eridani sector. There are probably colonies, but those could be small settlements with just a few thousand people each. And he does specify "civilians". The thousands of other military personnel in ships and bases could count separately.

    You could say trillions in the Sirius sector, but that's because you know there are several homeworlds there. But in Eta Eridani I've only seen starbases (K7, Drozana, Gandala), refueling depots which only have a handful of workers (Alhena), empty Borg infested planets (Otha) and all the rest are empty pvp maps.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Galactrix wrote: »
    I can't remember if there are any proper inhabited worlds in the Eta Eridani sector. There are probably colonies, but those could be small settlements with just a few thousand people each. And he does specify "civilians". The thousands of other military personnel in ships and bases could count separately.

    You could say trillions in the Sirius sector, but that's because you know there are several homeworlds there. But in Eta Eridani I've only seen starbases (K7, Drozana, Gandala), refueling depots which only have a handful of workers (Alhena), empty Borg infested planets (Otha) and all the rest are empty pvp maps.

    A sector is a pretty huge place.. There could be hundreds if not thousands of planets with sentient life, that for one reason or another are "left out" on the map. Prewarp Civilizations, small unafiliated planets etc.

    On the spaceships that cruise around in the sector alone, there are thousands of personel onboard.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    In "Trek" "logic" so to speak, going by what we have seen in this fictional galaxy, hundreds of worlds are default inhabited thanks to the Preservers, which was actually fairly clever for helping establish a makeshift plausible explanation for that. In reality, we discovered maybe 2 at best? other worlds with earth like class m conditions..but then that does not take teraforming or colonization into account.

    I kind of wish we could see Section 31 not stereotyped as much as Franklin Drake represents, i may have to get my "Foundry" hands dirty on this subject. I feel Drake is indeed referring to the "human" lives worth saving.

    Knowing Admiral Chakotay is head of starfleet intelligence, i would love to see storylines with him power struggling in the intelligence aspect of the war vs Drake and section 31.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I don't think there'd be that many people living in the Neutral Zone. It is after all the front line of the war with the Klingons, there'd probably be a few scattered colonies of a few thousand people, but no more than that

    Are you being serious? My town/city on Earth has more then a few thousand people in it - I think an entire SPACE SECTOR would have millions of sentient life living across it, Neutral Zone or not. Remember, the Neutral Zone is like a border between two countries... that doesn't mean that magically no one lives there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Well Drozana is in the Donatu sector. Eta Eridani is a sector BLOCK comprised of 3 sectors. On the Map there is Zibal, Cursa, Donatu, and ker'rat.

    Its the actual TRUE neutral zone, where the dividing line and the lookout stations were located, so I doubt there are many colonies.

    Unless there is an actual habitable homeworld of some unknown race, then it likely no more than a dozen or two stations and colony worlds, so its not impossible that the total only reaches 800,000 or so

    There's certainly no evidence to suggest otherwise, so its all conjecture. And a bit nitpicky :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Are you being serious? My town/city on Earth has more then a few thousand people in it - I think an entire SPACE SECTOR would have millions of sentient life living across it, Neutral Zone or not. Remember, the Neutral Zone is like a border between two countries... that doesn't mean that magically no one lives there.

    I mean that those that could, would obviously up sticks and move out of a warzone. Wouldn't you?

    And as for those that can't because of the Prime Directive, they could be sneaked out without them knowing, as happened in an episode of TNG (whose name escapes me now), obviously not everyone could be moved out in time, but a lot of people can. That would reduce the number of people in a sector considerably, would you not agree?
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