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I for one have seen and looked it up online that the feds indeed had a carrier and in fact it was in some ds9 episodes during the dominion wars and in a episode of next gen and i feel that it is wrong to not put in a carrier for the feds cause it was seen and proven and i know there are alot of people on here asking for a fed carrier even though there are a lot of people saying that the feds are not military i say to that is it is bs to think that cause they are in a sense military if the feds have fighters then they have carriers and further more the fighters never had worp core technolgy at all and the only reason they had fighters in the dominion wars is for extra support and the only way to transport them is by carrier so there for it has been proven countless times that the feds did have a carrier so in saying i would like to see the feds have carriers and further more it would be fare as well since the klingons have two carriers so please cryptic i would like to see the feds have a carrier thank you.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    NO....



    And for gods sake man a period is your friend use one, I almost dropped this wall of text and broke a toe.


    (edit) Also dont you already have a thread on this?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    TR71777 wrote: »
    hello,
    I for one have seen and looked it up online that the feds indeed had a carrier and in fact it was in some ds9 episodes during the dominion wars and in a episode of next gen. I feel that it is wrong to not put in a carrier for the feds cause it was seen and proven.
    i know there are alot of people on here asking for a fed carrier even though there are a lot of people saying that the feds are not military i say to that is it is bs
    to think that cause they are in a sense military if the feds have fighters then they have carriers and further more the fighters never had worp core technolgy at all and the only reason they had fighters in the dominion wars is for extra support and the only way to transport them is by carrier
    so there for it has been proven countless times that the feds did have a carrier so in saying i would like to see the feds have carriers and further more it would be fare as well since the klingons have two carriers so please cryptic i would like to see the feds have a carrier

    thank you.

    fixed

    /10.0 char
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    This is what your 8th thread in two weeks about the same thing?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Again... sheesh


    1. There were NO carriers in DS9.... fighters yes... carriers no. The fighters in DS9 had warp.

    2. A carrier for the Federation makes no logical sense. Carriers, CVA type carriers are power projection, the Federation doesn't do power projection.

    If those two aren't enough.

    The Klingons DESERVE to have different ships and capabilities from the Federation. You want a carrier, then roll a Klingon. (I play both Fed and KDF).

    I
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Dank65 wrote:
    Also dont you already have a thread on this?

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=187366

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=184941

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=184946

    Yes and the previous three were not enough.
    I wonder if whenever one of them is opened we're expected to rehash
    all the things we said in any of the other half a dozen older ones.
    Me: been there, done that, bought that t-shirt.
    And I'm tired of doing it all over again.

    Short:
    Fighters, yes but those fighters were already deployed with the fleets in DS9 whenever they
    left their staging areas which means no carriers.
    They have their own warp-engines and in Star Trek ships can take other ships along in their
    warpfield (Enterprise:"Diversion") and the few Galaxies in the fleet could have easily taken the small fighters along with their massive engines.

    Oh and I was in the "Feds need a ship with fighters" camp.
    Though not a carbon-copy of the Klingon one.
    But after another and another and another thread yet again, you can count me out.
    Great job.:mad:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Jun. 01 2007, 1:29 pm

    Have you ever wanted to be pilot only to discover that the ship you're interested in has no fighter compliment, or at most a very limited one, with almost no crew? If so, keep reading.

    In 2398, 23 years after the Dominion invasion is successful repelled, they are at it again. The Dominion sent another fleet through the Bajoran wormhole, larger than the last. The first thing they did was destroy DS9 and occupy Bajor. Within two weeks they had captured Cardassia Prime. Within a month the Ferengi and the Breen had fallen. Like the Borg the Dominion tried to capture most of the technology intact. They began studying it. The Cardassian shipyards, and some of the Ferengi, were converted to build Dominion ships. They built shipyards of their own, and defenses as well. It took the Federation only three weeks to mount an answer to the destruction of DS9. The Klingons and Romulans committed ships to the battle as well. The Alpha Quadrant (A.Q.) fleet numbered almost in the thousands. The Dominion took heavy losses, but broke the attack. A week later they launched their own offensive against the Federation. Thanks to the strike made by the A.Q. fleet, and it's continued presence in Federation space, the attack was stopped. A general stalemate fell, neither side gaining nor losing much ground. The war became less about large fleet engagements and more about small skirmishes, with the loss of two or three ships constituting a major victory for the other side. One advantage the Dominion had over the Alpha Quadrant powers was a massive number of fighter craft. These agile ships, attacking in groups, could evade much of the fire from the capital ships, and deliver similar firepower. StarFleet, and indeed the Klingons and Romulans, had been conducting tests with many different kinds of fighters, but the program never to be a major fleet asset. Until now.



    Now, in 2402 the war has raged for four years. Both sides have managed to rebuild their fleets some what. Small battles are still the key points of the war, but Alpha Quandrant has a new weapon: Fighters. Several Million fighter and bomber craft. Like the wars of twentieth century Earth the most dnagerous vessels in space have become carrier type ships, some capable of carrying ten thousand fighters and bombers. The mighty A.Q. fleet disbanded and formed several task groups, each based around a carrier or two. Sometimes the carrier operates alone. The Dominion have pushed the Federation back as far as Betazed and Baku, they have also begun to raid the Klingons and Romulans. Federation Intel has recently recieved word of a new construction project far in Cardassian space: an artificial wormhole. The Alpha Quadrant forces have been planning and preparing for a major counter offensive, and news of the wormhole has spurred them to act sooner.

    The Ragnarok is an SLASC, a super-light stealth assault carrier. She is a Pocket class ship, the class has been in service for six months. She has a fighter compliment of three wings, 216 craft in all, 24 squadrons. For now only two squadrons are open, others will will open as the need arises. Unlike most carriers, the Pocket is equipped to engage in front line combat operations, their armament is superior to that of the Prometheus class, now the workhorse of the Federation fleet. The Pocket design was based off of the Prometheus, and therefore shares a similar structre. The four nacelles remain, but the ship is much longer, and wider, to accomodate the extra bays for the fighters, which take up thirty percent of the ships total internal volume. The class is meant to be a raider, striking isolated targets and warping off before any enemy ships arrive. When working with another ship they are useful for escorting V.I.P's and refugee transports, medical ship, supply ships, and anythign else that might need sheparding
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    now i show you all there is proof read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    What is your source for this? Where did it come from?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Fenrir1536 wrote: »
    What is your source for this? Where did it come from?

    "The first thing they did was destroy DS9 and occupy Bajor."

    Should answer that question:
    It's some kind of fan-fiction.
    But appearently the OP believes everything someone puts on the 'net.
    Probably believes those websites where they talk about the Germans'
    WW2-era flying saucers are speaking pure truth as well.:)

    http://www.naziufos.com/

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ufoaleman.htm
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    mister_dee wrote:
    "The first thing they did was destroy DS9 and occupy Bajor."

    Should answer that question:
    It's some kind of fan-fiction.
    But appearently the OP believes everything someone puts on the 'net.
    Probably believes those websites where they talk about the Germans'
    WW2-era flying saucers are speaking pure truth as well.:)

    http://www.naziufos.com/

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ufoaleman.htm

    DUDE! Do NOT joke about such things in public!

    And yeah I realize its some piece of non-canon material presented as fact...im really trying to decide weather this guy is trolling or not
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    OP learn PUNCTUATION and how to break up walls of TXT! I
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Have you ever wanted to be pilot only to discover that the ship you're interested in has no fighter compliment, or at most a very limited one, with almost no crew? If so, keep reading.

    In 2398, 23 years after the Dominion invasion is successful repelled, they are at it again. The Dominion sent another fleet through the Bajoran wormhole, larger than the last. The first thing they did was destroy DS9 and occupy Bajor. Within two weeks they had captured Cardassia Prime. Within a month the Ferengi and the Breen had fallen. Like the Borg the Dominion tried to capture most of the technology intact. They began studying it. The Cardassian shipyards, and some of the Ferengi, were converted to build Dominion ships. They built shipyards of their own, and defenses as well. It took the Federation only three weeks to mount an answer to the destruction of DS9. The Klingons and Romulans committed ships to the battle as well. The Alpha Quadrant (A.Q.) fleet numbered almost in the thousands. The Dominion took heavy losses, but broke the attack. A week later they launched their own offensive against the Federation. Thanks to the strike made by the A.Q. fleet, and it's continued presence in Federation space, the attack was stopped. A general stalemate fell, neither side gaining nor losing much ground. The war became less about large fleet engagements and more about small skirmishes, with the loss of two or three ships constituting a major victory for the other side. One advantage the Dominion had over the Alpha Quadrant powers was a massive number of fighter craft. These agile ships, attacking in groups, could evade much of the fire from the capital ships, and deliver similar firepower. StarFleet, and indeed the Klingons and Romulans, had been conducting tests with many different kinds of fighters, but the program never to be a major fleet asset. Until now.



    Now, in 2402 the war has raged for four years. Both sides have managed to rebuild their fleets some what. Small battles are still the key points of the war, but Alpha Quandrant has a new weapon: Fighters. Several Million fighter and bomber craft. Like the wars of twentieth century Earth the most dnagerous vessels in space have become carrier type ships, some capable of carrying ten thousand fighters and bombers. The mighty A.Q. fleet disbanded and formed several task groups, each based around a carrier or two. Sometimes the carrier operates alone. The Dominion have pushed the Federation back as far as Betazed and Baku, they have also begun to raid the Klingons and Romulans. Federation Intel has recently recieved word of a new construction project far in Cardassian space: an artificial wormhole. The Alpha Quadrant forces have been planning and preparing for a major counter offensive, and news of the wormhole has spurred them to act sooner.

    The Ragnarok is an SLASC, a super-light stealth assault carrier. She is a Pocket class ship, the class has been in service for six months. She has a fighter compliment of three wings, 216 craft in all, 24 squadrons. For now only two squadrons are open, others will will open as the need arises. Unlike most carriers, the Pocket is equipped to engage in front line combat operations, their armament is superior to that of the Prometheus class, now the workhorse of the Federation fleet. The Pocket design was based off of the Prometheus, and therefore shares a similar structre. The four nacelles remain, but the ship is much longer, and wider, to accomodate the extra bays for the fighters, which take up thirty percent of the ships total internal volume. The class is meant to be a raider, striking isolated targets and warping off before any enemy ships arrive. When working with another ship they are useful for escorting V.I.P's and refugee transports, medical ship, supply ships, and anythign else that might need sheparding
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Pretty sure he's been told that several times in every thread he has made, I doubt he's going to suddenly learn to use punctuation now.

    Also, reposting the same fanfic story info again won't make it anything more than it actually is, a fan's wet dream of carriers in a second dominion war.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    OP learn PUNCTUATION and how to break up walls of TXT! I
    you should read this and further more im not a op if one more person calls me op and not respect me i will report anyone that calls me op
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    OP means Original Poster.

    And why have you not answered my question?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    i do not disrespect anyone here so dont disrespect me
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I got the info from www.startrek.com and search federation carriers and then read what everyone says and this comes from one of the writers that helped make ds9 and next gen
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    TR71777 wrote: »
    I got the info from www.startrek.com and search federation carriers and then read what everyone says and this comes from one of the writers that helped make ds9 and next gen

    Thats not good enough, Its just a page to startrek.com I want to know where you exactly got this to see weather its canon or not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Fenrir1536 wrote: »
    Thats not good enough, Its just a page to startrek.com I want to know where you exactly got this to see weather its canon or not.

    omg are you not listening to me that is proof that the feds did indeed had carriers even one of the writers said so look it up
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Found it:

    http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33290892/ST-Fighter-Wing_1180718992_33290892

    It's in an RPG board.
    Need I say anything more?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    TR71777 wrote: »
    omg are you not listening to me that is proof that the feds did indeed had carriers even one of the writers said so look it up

    No you are wrong, you are not listening to anyone but yourself.

    So where is this blurb of text from, which episode or which movie? If it is in neither of these then it not officially real in star trek. It does not matter who wrote it, why, or for what purpose if its not in hard canon its not canon.

    So where did you get this again?

    If you want to prove that these events happened in star trek then I need to be able to check your source.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    mister_dee wrote:
    Found it:

    http://www.startrek.com/boards-topic/33290892/ST-Fighter-Wing_1180718992_33290892

    It's in an RPG board.
    Need I say anything more?

    Sweet, saved me the trouble. :)

    This is not canon, its a group of people roleplaying their own story in the star trek universe.

    The events in the text are never covered in official canon, your carrier does not exist.

    Sorry.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Fenrir1536 wrote: »
    No you are wrong, you are not listening to anyone but yourself.

    So where is this blurb of text from, which episode or which movie? If it is in neither of these then it not officially real in star trek. It does not matter who wrote it, why, or for what purpose if its not in hard canon its not canon.

    So where did you get this again?

    If you want to prove that these events happened in star trek then I need to be able to check your source.

    omg why is everyone against feds having carriers when in fact they did omfg
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    im tired of everyone going against me for no reason i showed proof and you all think this is not real well let me tell ya it is real read this THE F..KING WRITERS EVEN SAID SO THERE ARE FED CARRIERS THE WRITERS SAIS SO
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    TR71777 wrote: »
    omg why is everyone against feds having carriers when in fact they did omfg

    Im not saying that the feds didn't have carriers, we just have never seen one in a canon source.

    What your proposing however has no basis in the star trek universe, therefor it is not real.
    im tired of everyone going against me for no reason i showed proof and you all think this is not real well let me tell ya it is real read this THE F..KING WRITERS EVEN SAID SO THERE ARE FED CARRIERS THE WRITERS SAIS SO

    A writer can also say the the events of DS9 did not occur, which would make you carrier even more non-exist-ie. :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I was curious, so I went and took a look. It seems a few federation carriers may have appeared in the game Shattered Universe - USS Ark Royal for one. But no idea if that is really canon. I certainly couldn't find anything about them being used in the series.

    I know it's not really proof, but source here
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    TR71777 wrote: »
    im tired of everyone going against me for no reason i showed proof and you all think this is not real well let me tell ya it is real read this THE F..KING WRITERS EVEN SAID SO THERE ARE FED CARRIERS THE WRITERS SAIS SO

    If you showed proof noone saw it.
    Could you please show your proof in a way that does not include fan-fiction,
    but something from actual Trek canon?
    Scrrenshots?
    Quotes?
    Anything would be apreciated.
    And no, I'm not mocking you I mean this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Bort1980 wrote: »
    I was curious, so I went and took a look. It seems a few federation carriers may have appeared in the game Shattered Universe - USS Ark Royal for one. But no idea if that is really canon. I certainly couldn't find anything about them being used in the series.

    I know it's not really proof, but source here

    Sure, there was also one in "Star Trek: Invasion", but like all games (armada, Elite Force etc.) they are explicitly considered non-canon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Ok OP:

    Books are not cannon, it's soft canon.
    Roleplaying on some board is not canon, in fact in most cases it is not even ST.
    Random webpage info is not canon, even when you somehow stumble across through a link at startrek.com (a webpage that is barely maintained anymore, and hasn't been in what... 2 years???).

    Fact: STO is soft-canon, like books but soft-canon under Cryptic and CBS. Cryptic has stated that no FED carriers will happen.

    Fact: No Federation carrier has ever been shown on-screen, and only that can be considered canon (such as the TMP connie being at Wolf359)

    Punctuation and paragraphs are your freind, when you want to make a statement that people read.

    In short: Your argument so far is flawed. There were no carriers in DS9, and there were no carrieres in canon, so preferably it should not in this game either.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    TR71777 wrote: »
    I for one have seen and looked it up online that the feds indeed had a carrier and in fact it was in some ds9 episodes during the dominion wars and in a episode of next gen and i feel that it is wrong to not put in a carrier for the feds cause it was seen and proven and i know there are alot of people on here asking for a fed carrier even though there are a lot of people saying that the feds are not military i say to that is it is bs to think that cause they are in a sense military if the feds have fighters then they have carriers and further more the fighters never had worp core technolgy at all and the only reason they had fighters in the dominion wars is for extra support and the only way to transport them is by carrier so there for it has been proven countless times that the feds did have a carrier so in saying i would like to see the feds have carriers and further more it would be fare as well since the klingons have two carriers so please cryptic i would like to see the feds have a carrier thank you.

    Which episodes? If you can give the name of the episodes this mythical carrier appeared in and preferably the point in time that it is clearly shown on screen (so people can see for themselves), then I'm sure people will believe you.

    Until then, quoting fan made rpg stuff from websites does not count as proof. For it to be proof, it has to have appeared on screen in either a TV episode or in a movie.
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