While reading
this post in
this thread, Iit reminded me of something I'd been meaning to ask.
Why are the Romulans mad at the federation for the loss of their homeworld? Let see if I can get this straight:
They had foreknowledge of the supernova....maybe not a lot of time, but enough that they refused to accept Federation help. Spock still tries to save Romulus, but ultimately fails....still he was able to stop the destruction from spreading. The Romulans have their own fleet, which they could have used to evacuate, but didn't. They have starship engines powered by artificial singularities...so they should at least have some expertise in stellar phenomena.....yet they depened on one vulcan....who has actually caused their defeat at least twice onscreen? (TOS "The Enterprise Incident" and TNG "Unification".)
So again, why are the romulans ****ed at the UFP? If there is more information given in game I must have missed it. I just don't understand why they blame the UFP for their loss.
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Simple as that.
klingons went to war with them.
federation ships cross the neutral zone on a daily basis
undine doing sneaky things
Also the military probably doesn't like the loss of power. The Klingons are attacking a lot too. The Empire is arguably losing it's sovereignty and other ships are going into their space when they feel like it.
It's more than enough to anger plenty of them.
If you get the chance, read Star Trek: Countdown. It is a prequel graphic novel to Star Trek 2009.
...yeah not everything makes sense.
They just wanted to kill the Feds and now they have a Propaganda reason to do so.
Moral of the post: People and often societies are crazy and easily manipulated.
this is from the path to 2409
"On Stardate 65776.64, the Federation News Network breaks a story that reports that the Vulcan Science Academy knew of the threat to Romulus but refused to take action to assist the Romulans before the destruction of their homeworld."
that alone is why the romulans are angry. perhaps they refused federation help, perhaps they ignored the warning signs, and i believe it was originally their, or possible the remans fault for causing the supernova.
but all that is irrelevant because the vulcans knew and did not hep. hate is irrational. it does not matter how much the vulcans knew or how much they tried to help, the romulans believe the vulcans refused to help them and as a result 6 billion or so romulans have died and they have lost their homeworld.
the romulans generally hate the feds, they are a distrustful, paranoid people who have an often secretive and tyrannical leadership who will spin any half truth into a full blown lie. the people rarely have the whole truth and all most of them will know is the feds knew about it, and then their world was destroyed.
people on earth hate other people for trivial reasons. if everybody sat down and considered the facts and weighed everything up there probably would be no war. but people are not like that, and the romulans are certainly not.
They're romulans. It's really just that simple.
Like Vulcans they have very strong emotions, but unlike Vulcans they don't suppress them. The romulans are reactionary, devious and extremely arrogant.
Their once mighty Star Empire has suddenly become a third rate power. How did you expect them to react?
Doesn't matter that the Federation offered to help and they refused (again; arrogant). Doesn't matter that Spock tried. All that matters is that something bad happened, and someone has to be at fault.
Now, to the supremely arrogant romulans WHO is going to be left holding the bag? Answer; anyone but them.
Surely some Vulcan gave the intel to some Starfleet Admirals etc. also Picard and some others where there on Vulcan in the Countdown Comic.
actually plenty of thought was put into the new movie
In short: Season 4:1) Romulan faction blows up Vulcan on STO. It has to happen. 2) Meeting a Vulcan player enables instant pvp to-the-death challenge for all Romulan captains.
You can out me in the "If you didn't put it in the movie..." camp. In any case, I thought Spock's mind meld in the movie was pretty clear on the details.
Let me clarify that I am strictly talking about the movie, not STO.
okay...you can use that argument against the movie until you're blue in the face (personally I think it's ********, if you wanna know the backstory beyond the backstory, READ), but we're talking about STO here. the comics will help you understand their attitudes in STO.
It realy is that simple.
It's a big blaring hole right in the middle of the entire plot.
They took the attitude that 'it's a parralel universe so we can make up whatever we want' nevermind that our own story makes no sense within itself.
Oh, as for their attitudes in STO, read "The Path to 2409." But when it comes to canon, it's just my personal opinion you don't get credit for anything you didn't put in the story. But again, just my opinion. Countdown is soft canon.
What it comes down to is that STO is not canon, therefore any Star Trek material can be used to some extent in the game, and to explain aspects of the game. STO uses canon material as its basis, but also non-canon material as a way to tell a story and expand the game.
Actually, anything that has been put in the movies or tv shows is canon. So your opinion is pretty much factual. However if it is stated, most likely by CBS, that a book, comic, or other material is canon even though it wasn't in a movie or show then we must accept it as canon. To my knowledge that has only happened with one or two books. The comic book from the movie isn't canon.
pretty much. also this thread is turning into a WAAHHHHHH JJ RUINED MY CHILHOOD thread, so I'm outta here
Absolutely true. Nemesis is in a similar situation. Both movies throw out virtually all established Canon about Romulans. Remans? Who? Tatoos? Angry Romulan miners? Weren't the Remans miners?
Both movies, and especially JJ's, made the Romulans look foolish and sloppy. While their ambition will frequently lead them to a bad situation, the are never sloppy.
Basically they just took a dump in the old time-line, then shut the door on it. They didn't even bother to light a match.
there doesn't need to be a justifiable reason to go to war, you just make one up.
STO can certainly explore this in more detail when the Romulan faction hits the game.
For instance, what if the destruction of Romulus was a bullet point in someone's or some group's grand scheme to trim the fat from the empire and throw the kdf and the feds off balance? The quadrant has destabilized. The major powers in the quadrant are distracted elsewhere or fighting with themselves. It's the perfect time for a lean, mean Romulan empire to consolidate stockpiled resources and make their move to conquer their enemies. After all, Romulans are masters of the slight of hand.
That's a bit of a stretch. Isn't that like chopping off your arm to win a fist fight?
Romulan technology is just as advanced as the Federations so they would have had to known. It was just bad writing.
Just Like Nero hung out 25 years and didn't go a destroy destroy the Federation who he blamed.
He goes and attacks a Klingon fleet why? They never tried to find him?
The federation never went back to that part of space where a ship was lost in 25 years?
How could miners figure out where Spock was going to appear but Romulan scientist couldn't tell the Sun was going supernova?
It was just poor writing the worst I have see in Star Trek.
I'm sure they did. They had to go there to get the survivors in the pods. But the Narada didn't just sit in one place for 25 years. Nero would understand that he doesn't have the capacity for a big war against the Federation. Yes, he can take out a dozen ships or more but could he take out 30? 50? 100? Eventually he's going to run out of torpedoes and all the weaker ships are going to bring him down.
Nuff said.
They became paranoid of the federation, and don't trust the peaceful overtures of the federation, vbecause they, themselves, don't understand the motives behind it. They're a culture based on the world of politics, and how someone, somewhere, is out to get you.
1) All of the science of the Hobus star explosion was theoretical. Most obviously didn't agree with it as it seemed to go against the traditional thoughts. Both Vulcan and Romulus thought the theories to be bull. They simply didn't believe them.
Spock and a few others thought the theories had more weight so they acted. It had nothing to do with technology. It's challenging the traditional scientific norms which is always an uphill battle (which is why we go so many things wrong for hundreds of years).
2) Nero was captured by the Klingons for most of those 25 years. It took a lot of planning to break free and get their ship back.
He didn't "go and attack a klingon fleet". He fought them because he just got his ship back and was escaping. The Klingons had him and most of his crew for decades. They had his ship but couldn't figure out the technology well enough.
3) Sure they went back however by the time they went back to that space the Klingons had captured the ship and the Romulans and taken them elsewhere.
4) How could romulan miners figure that out? Apples and Oranges. The super nova was against all traditional scientific knowledge. Strangely time travel is not. We don't know how smart those miners are too. Maybe they're really good at their job. We can assume computing when spock would arrive was easier since they could actually do it. You have no logical complaint here.
It's not bad writing. It's the following:
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND HAVE NOT EVEN BASIC STAR TREK KNOWLEDGE.
Have a good day.
Nero and his crew were held on a Klingon prison planet after they were disabled by the Kelvin. They escaped, and destroyed those 40 ships during said escape.
What tech the klingons got from that incident would be a very interesting question.