Can't post in exchange because it's part of my Crew, but I can provide screen shots if necessary due to the bug in trade windows that don't allow Bridge Officer tooltips to show up.
Before you start saying that price is too high, etc, etc... keep in mind that if you want one on the Exchange, it will cost you 20 million or more unless you're incredibly lucky. I am offering this one up for so cheap because I know that not everyone has hundreds of millions of Energy Credits, and I am trying to be fair and give some folks the chance to get one without having to be one of those people, or completely tap themselves out by buying one.
If you want to spit on my generosity by flaming/trolling, I will ignore you.
Download one of the combat calculators offered on the forum and see how much benefit you get from an Efficient BO. That might tilt your decision one way or the other.
If you have the Borg bridge officer from the C-store, it will not stack with the Saurian's efficient trait, right? Will it even stack with the efficient impulse engines bonus?
If you have the Borg bridge officer from the C-store, it will not stack with the Saurian's efficient trait, right? Will it even stack with the efficient impulse engines bonus?
They both stack as long as they're both assigned to a station; and they stack with efficient impulse engines. I think many are often confused about the actual numeric value given by efficient BOs, though.
They both stack as long as they're both assigned to a station; and they stack with efficient impulse engines. I think many are often confused about the actual numeric value given by efficient BOs, though.
Yeah... it's +5 to the efficiency skills, not +5 to the power levels like Efficient Captain/Efficient Impulse are.
Agreed. Its not a 'huge' bonus, but it is a bonus none-the-less. P.S. - Thanks for the good trade, AdmiralChase.
No problemo! Thanks for not ripping me off!! I have a problem with my trade window where I can't see monetary amounts properly. If you had entered '10,000', all I would see is '000'. No matter how I resize my trade windows, I cannot see any EC amounts beyond 3 digits. Of course, I suppose fair is fair, since you can't see Bridge Officer Tooltips in trade either.. so yay for us for both being honest people!
Can't post in exchange because it's part of my Crew, but I can provide screen shots if necessary due to the bug in trade windows that don't allow Bridge Officer tooltips to show up.
Before you start saying that price is too high, etc, etc... keep in mind that if you want one on the Exchange, it will cost you 20 million or more unless you're incredibly lucky. I am offering this one up for so cheap because I know that not everyone has hundreds of millions of Energy Credits, and I am trying to be fair and give some folks the chance to get one without having to be one of those people, or completely tap themselves out by buying one.
If you want to spit on my generosity by flaming/trolling, I will ignore you.
This is SO anti-Trek. Cryptic you really need to discontinue the virtual buying and selling of people in this game. It is paramount to virtual slavery in digital form. And no, I haven't lost my mind. I realize it's not real people. But games that have crossed the line in representing the murder and death of famous figures and other human acts of barbarisim have in the past caused an uproar.
I can't consider for a moment that anyone who is intelllectually honest can condone the act of buying and selling virtual people. It speaks against Star Trek and it's philosophies in every regard. And fans should be the first to realize this and ask that it be stopped.
Trading/transfers of personel is one thing. Buying and selling them is simply a veiled lack of awareness and an indirect form of support for the worst our world is capable of as history shows us.
The episode "Measure of a Man" (I just watched it recently) should help the Devs realize this ability to buy and sell individuals in a Star Trek game is fundamentally in opposition to what Star Trek is and the ability to sell them should be removed immediately.
You can argue this point but it will clearly be from the viewpoint of making EC's which mean little in the game overall. But you cannot point to a single Star Trek viewpoint to support this sort of mini-game. If you can I will be the first to reconsider my feelings on this issue.
Surely creative minds can come up with some other way to suppliment credit earning without a need to delve into areas that are at best questionable.
This is SO anti-Trek. Cryptic you really need to discontinue the virtual buying and selling of people in this game. It is paramount to virtual slavery in digital form. And no, I haven't lost my mind. I realize it's not real people. But games that have crossed the line in representing the murder and death of famous figures and other human acts of barbarisim have in the past caused an uproar.
You've played the game, right? How many foes have you and your team vaporized while playing it? Please don't jump on an imaginary high-horse when your character has probably done hundreds of acts of "human barbarism" in the game.
It's people who start believing any of this is real that end up giving all gamers a bad reputation; because they're the ones always getting on the news and making us all look like psychotics.
You've played the game, right? How many foes have you and your team vaporized while playing it? Please don't jump on an imaginary high-horse when your character has probably done hundreds of acts of "human barbarism" in the game.
It's people who start believing any of this is real that end up giving all gamers a bad reputation; because they're the ones always getting on the news and making us all look like psychotics.
Combat has always been a part of the Star Trek universe. It's no less dissapointing but even you should recognize that at least in what they preached, the hope was always to try first for a peaceful resolution.
On the other hand, you did not point out a single instance where selling someone was deemed acceptable and again, I feel you would be intellectually dishonest if you claimed you felt it was in keeping with established Trek ideals.
Attacking me and trying to paint me as being on a high horse is a less then commendable attempt at making an argument and your points did nothing to white wash the fact that a mini-slavery game exists.
Pointing out a concern does not place one on a high horse. You'd do better in your efforts as an apologist if you could discuss the issues by bringing up points directly related to the problem. Not try to obscure it with out of context examples.
And I think I clearly stated I did understand it wasn't real. Go back and read my post. It may help.
But since you did bring it up. Find me missions other then only diplomatic, (breen patrol) where a peaceful resolution is possible other then strictly combat, I'll do them.
On the other hand, you did not point out a single instance where selling someone was deemed acceptable and again, I feel you would be intellectually dishonest if you claimed you felt it was in keeping with established Trek ideals.
This is a pointless argument. No one was sold "in the game." No one was standing in DS9 asking if those passing by wanted to buy a captive Saurian. The question was asked in the REAL WORD by someone wanting to get rid of a piece of electronic loot. Is someone on the forum wanting to sell his Quantum Torpedos a weapon's dealer? Of course not. Some people can take the imaginary world a little too far. Those are the type of people who shouldn't play RPGs at all, IMO. It's bad for them and they're bad for the gaming community.
This is a pointless argument. No one was sold "in the game." No one was standing in DS9 asking if those passing by wanted to buy a captive Saurian. The question was asked in the REAL WORD by someone wanting to get rid of a piece of electronic loot. Is someone on the forum wanting to sell his Quantum Torpedos a weapon's dealer? Of course not. Some people can take the imaginary world a little too far. Those are the type of people who shouldn't play RPGs at all, IMO. It's bad for them and they're bad for the gaming community.
Yes it would appear to be pointless to discuss ( I was discussing, it's unfortunate you chose to argue) it since you seem to have missed the point from the start and are clearly intelligent so must be choosing to derail the points made. I hope others will offer the examples that support a real challenge to my concerns and a honest and meaningful discussion can be made with regards to the ideals and examples that Star Trek has always embraced, vs. the need of a few to deal in virtual human trafficking.
And to be fair since you posed the question to me, "You have played the game, right?". The auctioning and advertising for BO's is a very, very , very common occurance in Zone chat.
I do however thank you for highlighting my issue and should you finally be able to present an example where the virtual selling of people is acceptable, found in the very unreal universe of Star Trek, I would love to see it.
Wow, well First point Star Trek Online left canon lonag ago, TOS Connies in the 25th century??? Realy give me a break. I also feel you are on a HIGH HORSE as this is virtual property we are discussing being sold for virtual currency. There is no human trafficking by this thread virtual or no.
If you don't want to believe BOffs are being sold in game by cryptic please stay out of the social areas where cryptic sells BOff's to Captains. So please stop this stupidity and stay away from ESD, K7, S39, DS9, Q'onos, and Gondala stations I wouldn't want you to break down and cry when you see vendors selling BOff's to Captains.
People like yourself are the one who give society as a whole a bad name, please think before you post in any Forum. Your complaint was poorly thought and you sir need to realize we are PLAYING A GAME.
Wow, well First point Star Trek Online left canon lonag ago, TOS Connies in the 25th century??? Realy give me a break. I also feel you are on a HIGH HORSE as this is virtual property we are discussing being sold for virtual currency. There is no human trafficking by this thread virtual or no.
If you don't want to believe BOffs are being sold in game by cryptic please stay out of the social areas where cryptic sells BOff's to Captains. So please stop this stupidity and stay away from ESD, K7, S39, DS9, Q'onos, and Gondala stations I wouldn't want you to break down and cry when you see vendors selling BOff's to Captains.
People like yourself are the one who give society as a whole a bad name, please think before you post in any Forum. Your complaint was poorly thought and you sir need to realize we are PLAYING A GAME.
I respect your opinon. I disagree fully with your thoughts on the motives behind my concerns. And I'm encouraged in my beliefs by your inability to provide an example which would justify the pretend selling of people in a Star Trek license.
Thank you for your suggestions that I keep away from areas because you don't like my opinion, I imagine you had my best interests at heart. But I don't see a problem with my going to any locations in the game. I do however feel my points raise very serious social questions and I feel it would be best if I continued to make a rational and intelligent argument regarding social ideals and behaviour where it comes to areas of the buying and selling of people, virtual or not, in the Star Trek universe.
I'm more then capable of not engaging in the behaviour myself while I have a discussion on the topic.
Thank you for sharing, and please have a great day:)
I missed out on this post otherwise I would have made a play for a 4mil EC Saurian. Anyone else have one that they wouldn't mind selling to me at that price? Cheers!
LOL Virtual slavery? You need to get a grip on yourself.
You want an example? Fine.
<A communication via Subspace between 2 captains>
"Hey Bob, I heard that Lt Commander Jansen is up for promotion and transfer this month"
Bob smiles, "Yeah Tom, I bet you did hear. She's on the fast track. She'll probably have 2 dozen posting offers."
Tom smiles back, "Bob.. you and me.. we go way back. Can you.. put in a good word for me? We need her. My engineer is retiring."
"Tom, we do go way back, and you still owe me 100 bucks from that Poker game back on Starbase 21 last year. Do you still have any of that Saurian Brandy you told me about last week?"
"I do."
"Well.. you send me a case of that, and the blueprint for that enhanced sensor array your science team came up with.. and I will make sure Jansen talks to you first. Deal?"
"You drive a hard bargain, Bob. Deal."
Look, ideally the BOs would be posted in a "Job board" rather than in a category on the exchange, and I think thats planned at some point. But "selling BOs" IS AN OUT OF GAME transation. Its 100% a transfer of personnel. Those BOs in your list are supposed to be Officers assigned to you or on the waiting list to join your crew, because you're a captain or renown. They are NOT property, and if you see them that way, then its a problem with YOUR viewpoint, not ours.
Please do us a favor and keep the moral pontification elsewhere
omg I laughed so hard while reading this. Ok, I completely agree with Tiberion1701, your not 'marketing' officers you are trading them to people.Your the captain, its your ship and your crew, you decide who is and who isent part of your crew. A good example in the trek series was in TNG when Barclay first joins the crew. Jordey wants him off the ship but the captain decides to keep him.
As for the method used of officer transfers like this example of 'selling' them, well lets go back to Tiberion1701's example, if on captain as an officer who will be leaving for any reason and another captain hears of it and wants that officer he will offer a trade so that the current captain of the officer will speak to said officer and get them to talk to the needy captain before considering any others. im pretty sure in the series people didnt actually have EC or if they did no one used them but if currency was more widely used in the federation then im pretty sure some captains would use that. Now if you say something like 'oh but in that case its still up to the officer if they want to join or not so its ok', well everyone in STO does almost the exact same thing as every other captain so everyones achievements and reputation are the same so its like choosing between two different versions of a book, there the same story just written different. Also, dont you think there would be a **** storm of complaints if you get a bridge officer you decide to commission and then he says no?
If your still not happy heres another way of looking at it: You want an officer that someone else has. That captain is loosing a good officer and to make it fair he isent going to just give him away, that officer helps the captain in combat situation, technological problems or whatever. without that officer the captain and his crew wount be as effective as a whole, so he requests payment to replace the lost officer so he can either get another officer or something else that will compensate for the lose.
There are examples of this in the world today, when a company trades employees. there are other examples that I can think of but im afraid of starting controversial issues that some people would agree with but others dont so
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Yeah... it's +5 to the efficiency skills, not +5 to the power levels like Efficient Captain/Efficient Impulse are.
No problemo! Thanks for not ripping me off!!
This is SO anti-Trek. Cryptic you really need to discontinue the virtual buying and selling of people in this game. It is paramount to virtual slavery in digital form. And no, I haven't lost my mind. I realize it's not real people. But games that have crossed the line in representing the murder and death of famous figures and other human acts of barbarisim have in the past caused an uproar.
I can't consider for a moment that anyone who is intelllectually honest can condone the act of buying and selling virtual people. It speaks against Star Trek and it's philosophies in every regard. And fans should be the first to realize this and ask that it be stopped.
Trading/transfers of personel is one thing. Buying and selling them is simply a veiled lack of awareness and an indirect form of support for the worst our world is capable of as history shows us.
The episode "Measure of a Man" (I just watched it recently) should help the Devs realize this ability to buy and sell individuals in a Star Trek game is fundamentally in opposition to what Star Trek is and the ability to sell them should be removed immediately.
You can argue this point but it will clearly be from the viewpoint of making EC's which mean little in the game overall. But you cannot point to a single Star Trek viewpoint to support this sort of mini-game. If you can I will be the first to reconsider my feelings on this issue.
Surely creative minds can come up with some other way to suppliment credit earning without a need to delve into areas that are at best questionable.
It's people who start believing any of this is real that end up giving all gamers a bad reputation; because they're the ones always getting on the news and making us all look like psychotics.
Combat has always been a part of the Star Trek universe. It's no less dissapointing but even you should recognize that at least in what they preached, the hope was always to try first for a peaceful resolution.
On the other hand, you did not point out a single instance where selling someone was deemed acceptable and again, I feel you would be intellectually dishonest if you claimed you felt it was in keeping with established Trek ideals.
Attacking me and trying to paint me as being on a high horse is a less then commendable attempt at making an argument and your points did nothing to white wash the fact that a mini-slavery game exists.
Pointing out a concern does not place one on a high horse. You'd do better in your efforts as an apologist if you could discuss the issues by bringing up points directly related to the problem. Not try to obscure it with out of context examples.
And I think I clearly stated I did understand it wasn't real. Go back and read my post. It may help.
But since you did bring it up. Find me missions other then only diplomatic, (breen patrol) where a peaceful resolution is possible other then strictly combat, I'll do them.
However, that still will not address my points.
Yes it would appear to be pointless to discuss ( I was discussing, it's unfortunate you chose to argue) it since you seem to have missed the point from the start and are clearly intelligent so must be choosing to derail the points made. I hope others will offer the examples that support a real challenge to my concerns and a honest and meaningful discussion can be made with regards to the ideals and examples that Star Trek has always embraced, vs. the need of a few to deal in virtual human trafficking.
And to be fair since you posed the question to me, "You have played the game, right?". The auctioning and advertising for BO's is a very, very , very common occurance in Zone chat.
I do however thank you for highlighting my issue and should you finally be able to present an example where the virtual selling of people is acceptable, found in the very unreal universe of Star Trek, I would love to see it.
Thank you and have a wonderful day.
If you don't want to believe BOffs are being sold in game by cryptic please stay out of the social areas where cryptic sells BOff's to Captains. So please stop this stupidity and stay away from ESD, K7, S39, DS9, Q'onos, and Gondala stations I wouldn't want you to break down and cry when you see vendors selling BOff's to Captains.
People like yourself are the one who give society as a whole a bad name, please think before you post in any Forum. Your complaint was poorly thought and you sir need to realize we are PLAYING A GAME.
I respect your opinon. I disagree fully with your thoughts on the motives behind my concerns. And I'm encouraged in my beliefs by your inability to provide an example which would justify the pretend selling of people in a Star Trek license.
Thank you for your suggestions that I keep away from areas because you don't like my opinion, I imagine you had my best interests at heart. But I don't see a problem with my going to any locations in the game. I do however feel my points raise very serious social questions and I feel it would be best if I continued to make a rational and intelligent argument regarding social ideals and behaviour where it comes to areas of the buying and selling of people, virtual or not, in the Star Trek universe.
I'm more then capable of not engaging in the behaviour myself while I have a discussion on the topic.
Thank you for sharing, and please have a great day:)
You want an example? Fine.
<A communication via Subspace between 2 captains>
"Hey Bob, I heard that Lt Commander Jansen is up for promotion and transfer this month"
Bob smiles, "Yeah Tom, I bet you did hear. She's on the fast track. She'll probably have 2 dozen posting offers."
Tom smiles back, "Bob.. you and me.. we go way back. Can you.. put in a good word for me? We need her. My engineer is retiring."
"Tom, we do go way back, and you still owe me 100 bucks from that Poker game back on Starbase 21 last year. Do you still have any of that Saurian Brandy you told me about last week?"
"I do."
"Well.. you send me a case of that, and the blueprint for that enhanced sensor array your science team came up with.. and I will make sure Jansen talks to you first. Deal?"
"You drive a hard bargain, Bob. Deal."
Look, ideally the BOs would be posted in a "Job board" rather than in a category on the exchange, and I think thats planned at some point. But "selling BOs" IS AN OUT OF GAME transation. Its 100% a transfer of personnel. Those BOs in your list are supposed to be Officers assigned to you or on the waiting list to join your crew, because you're a captain or renown. They are NOT property, and if you see them that way, then its a problem with YOUR viewpoint, not ours.
Please do us a favor and keep the moral pontification elsewhere
As for the method used of officer transfers like this example of 'selling' them, well lets go back to Tiberion1701's example, if on captain as an officer who will be leaving for any reason and another captain hears of it and wants that officer he will offer a trade so that the current captain of the officer will speak to said officer and get them to talk to the needy captain before considering any others. im pretty sure in the series people didnt actually have EC or if they did no one used them but if currency was more widely used in the federation then im pretty sure some captains would use that. Now if you say something like 'oh but in that case its still up to the officer if they want to join or not so its ok', well everyone in STO does almost the exact same thing as every other captain so everyones achievements and reputation are the same so its like choosing between two different versions of a book, there the same story just written different. Also, dont you think there would be a **** storm of complaints if you get a bridge officer you decide to commission and then he says no?
If your still not happy heres another way of looking at it: You want an officer that someone else has. That captain is loosing a good officer and to make it fair he isent going to just give him away, that officer helps the captain in combat situation, technological problems or whatever. without that officer the captain and his crew wount be as effective as a whole, so he requests payment to replace the lost officer so he can either get another officer or something else that will compensate for the lose.
There are examples of this in the world today, when a company trades employees. there are other examples that I can think of but im afraid of starting controversial issues that some people would agree with but others dont so