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Has anyone else noticed there is no enlisted in Star Trek? Everyone graduates from the academy and is an officer. Anyone know what happened to the enlisted force structure?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Not true. ;)

    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_enlisted_personnel

    Also, the most famous enlisted Starfleet character would actually be Miles O'Brien.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Well they sure don’t show them much on the show. EVERYONE graduates from the Starfleet Academy. It’s like the University of Phoenix of the future....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I know all of your BOs are academy graduates. I didn't look at any of the people on my ship that closely to see what their ranks are, nor do I look that closely on the various Starbases. I'm sure they're not all ensigns. Some are just working stiffs like Miles. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    i thik it would be fun if at some point they had an offshoot of sorts and you cold make an elisted toon and go thru the motions of serivice prior to and including hte academy..

    wishes none the less...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Apparently In this game, CPO is equal in rank to a lieutenant according to the rank emblems you can put on your uniform... Go figure...

    BUT for all the canon-iets out there (like myself) this would make since seeing as O'brien often wore a lieutenant's pips on the Ent-D
    In all episodes of TNG Seasons 2-5, O'Brien is seen wearing the insignia of a full lieutenant while working as transporter chief; in one of them, "Where Silence Has Lease", he is also addressed as "lieutenant".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I believe O'brien's pips were actually a slightly different color then officer pips to differentiate CPO from PO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Nah. The whole idea about enlisted crew was tossed out of the window during TNG - either intentionally (doing away with the "two-class-system" of crew<-> officers because it is considered archaic elitism) or simply because it was forgotten by the writers. Transporter Chief does not imply an NCO rank, it's a position just like Chief of Security.
    It only came back in DS9 when O'Brien suddenly got his own NCO rank pin. Everybody in TNG was at least an Ensign.

    It's not even clear whether the young people on the 1701-A were really enlisted crew or simply cadets - keep in mind that some of those guys had bridge officer stations, which does not seem like a job you'd let an NCO do.

    The DS9 stuff aside, everything about Enlisted Personnel is pretty much fan speculation, though much of it is taken for granted (just like the B'rel being smaller than the K'vort, even though they recycled the same footage for all appearances, thus making them identical in the show).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Valias wrote:
    It only came back in DS9 when O'Brien suddenly got his own NCO rank pin. Everybody in TNG was at least an Ensign.
    I seem to remember Picard addressing some people as "crewman" rather then via title. I'd also point out that he never called Worf "Chief" simply because he was Chief of Security. He was always addressed as Lt Worf; which is in contrast to how O'brien was addressed by the entire crew. And O'brien even called himself an enlisted man to Worf's father in Season 4 so clearly there's some differentiation there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    In that case my memory might be a bit hazy - I just remember O'Brien always had officer pips on his uniform. Of course this could be a simple costume error. The same kind of error that caused one Rear Admiral to have one pin less than the other, leading to the belief that Starfleet would have split the rank into Upper and Lower Half and, for whatever reason, abandoning the rank of Commodore...

    Oh well, that's Trek for you. They can't even decide on the size of a Bird-of-Prey. :p
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