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Here is my logic and call me on it if its flawed, It would seem cryptic is putting alot of work and enegy into the foundry/UGC and that for the most part is a good thing. It also seems that once its in place cryptic will not be making any new mission content unless its STF's based. Why would they am betting the community can make better missions then they can. (sorry cryptic much love)

So here is my logic
Once the UFC is out the only thing left for cryptic to add other ten c-store items is new playable races like the Romulans. There will be alot of great UGC missions out and the only real way to improve them game from there has to be new races?

My logic flawed? whats your take on it?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Reactor2 wrote:
    Here is my logic and call me on it if its flawed, It would seem cryptic is putting alot of work and enegy into the foundry/UGC and that for the most part is a good thing. It also seems that once its in place cryptic will not be making any new mission content unless its STF's based. Why would they am betting the community can make better missions then they can. (sorry cryptic much love)

    So here is my logic
    Once the UFC is out the only thing left for cryptic to add other ten c-store items is new playable races like the Romulans. There will be alot of great UGC missions out and the only real way to improve them game from there has to be new races?

    My logic flawed? whats your take on it?

    It also seems that once its in place cryptic will not be making any new mission content unless its STF's based.

    There is nothing to support your feelings on this. Not saying you couldn't be correct, but there is nothing to indicate this from any source. It is true that they want to spend energy reworking old missions and STFs and add new features, but i highly doubt that they will eliminate creating new content completely forever.


    Why would they am betting the community can make better missions then they can. (sorry cryptic much love)

    I don't think they feel that the community can do a way better job than they can at mission creation, but simply that the community can make MORE content, and enough of it will be good enough for people to want to play. This may make mission creation a lower priority perhaps, but they will always need to advance their own story of the game.

    So yes, your logic is flawed because it is based on assumptions that have no support that i know of.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    dr_Drake wrote:
    It also seems that once its in place cryptic will not be making any new mission content unless its STF's based.

    There is nothing to support your feelings on this. Not saying you couldn't be correct, but there is nothing to indicate this from any source. It is true that they want to spend energy reworking old missions and STFs and add new features, but i highly doubt that they will eliminate creating new content completely forever.


    Why would they am betting the community can make better missions then they can. (sorry cryptic much love)

    I don't think they feel that the community can do a way better job than they can at mission creation, but simply that the community can make MORE content, and enough of it will be good enough for people to want to play. This may make mission creation a lower priority perhaps, but they will always need to advance their own story of the game.

    So yes, your logic is flawed because it is based on assumptions that have no support that i know of.

    No i dident say i have any facts, Am just thinking here and trying to draw logical conclussions, why would they spend money and man power to create new low lvl content when they have a machine that is the community spiting it out for them? Really when the end of the day rolls around all there is to do in STO is missions and once the UGC has them covered on that point all that is left to do if they even do anything at all would be a new race or Raid content.

    I think both things would be great btw so dont get me wrong, bring the UGC now so i can play a Romulan and raid stuff with him
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    If there's one lesson to be learned from all of the games to feature user generated content, then it is that can never replace professionally developed content. While maybe 5% isn't complete rubbish, the problem is wading through the 95% that is to get to the good stuff.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Reactor2 wrote:
    Here is my logic and call me on it if its flawed, It would seem cryptic is putting alot of work and enegy into the foundry/UGC and that for the most part is a good thing. It also seems that once its in place cryptic will not be making any new mission content unless its STF's based. Why would they am betting the community can make better missions then they can. (sorry cryptic much love)

    So here is my logic
    Once the UFC is out the only thing left for cryptic to add other ten c-store items is new playable races like the Romulans. There will be alot of great UGC missions out and the only real way to improve them game from there has to be new races?

    My logic flawed? whats your take on it?

    Your 'logic' is flawed. Go look up the definition of logic, and then the term 'fallacy'.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Reactor2 wrote:
    No i dident say i have any facts, Am just thinking here and trying to draw logical conclussions, why would they spend money and man power to create new low lvl content when they have a machine that is the community spiting it out for them? Really when the end of the day rolls around all there is to do in STO is missions and once the UGC has them covered on that point all that is left to do if they even do anything at all would be a new race or Raid content.

    I think both things would be great btw so dont get me wrong, bring the UGC now so i can play a Romulan and raid stuff with him

    That isn't a Logical conclusion, that's Jumping to a conclusion. You are assuming that UGC's purpose is to replace company made missions, which it isn't. They will spend money and man power to generate Content because that is how they will continue to keep and gain subscribers. It would be foolish to assume that the community can make quality missions that everyone will want to play aside from maybe the top 1-2%.

    Anything left outside the company's control is an uncomfortable variable to success. If UGC is just another feature, then great. half the fun is making missions, then looking at other missions. If you don't find anythign you like, play the rest of the game.

    If UGC is your Sole source of content, then you are taking a huge gamble which is HUGE risk and minimal payout. No company would want to roll those dice.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I guess time will tell, But looking at cryptics track record i'll bet dollars to donuts that am right. Remember they got NVN's right around the cornor and when you factor in how small a studio cryptic really are the chances that once they are getting near OB for NVN's half the STO team if not more are gonna be moved over. The UGC is ether Planned life support for this coma patient or how they are planning on freeing up time to add a new race (Romulan) or atlest add some kinda real end game

    But like i said, We shall see
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Reactor2 wrote:
    I guess time will tell, But looking at cryptics track record i'll bet dollars to donuts that am right. Remember they got NVN's right around the cornor and when you factor in how small a studio cryptic really are the chances that once they are getting near OB for NVN's half the STO team if not more are gonna be moved over. The UGC is ether Planned life support for this coma patient or how they are planning on freeing up time to add a new race (Romulan) or atlest add some kinda real end game

    But like i said, We shall see

    I'll take that bet.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    dr_Drake wrote:
    I'll take that bet.

    Remember am betting donuts its cryptic who supplys the Kool-Aid
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    they have already said that they will continue to make missions, and that UGC will not see an end to new content and they are doing weekly missions for the foreseeable future.

    they will not stop making new mission content, although depending on how good UGC is, it might allow them to focus on other aspects like romulans and end game
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Reactor2 wrote:
    So here is my logic
    Once the UFC is out the only thing left for cryptic to add other ten c-store items is new playable races like the Romulans. There will be alot of great UGC missions out and the only real way to improve them game from there has to be new races?

    Or they could:
    • Revitalize exploration
    • Add territory control
    • Add raiding mechancis for fleet-run starbases
    • Revise and expand crafting to have more meaningful options and have a ship-based system.
    • Add open PvP options and make them have a greater effect on the game world
    • Add fleet-run starbases and colonies that are more than tiny UGC instances (for now UGC is limited to teaming)
    • Add the ability to fight in fleet actions as a Fleet.
    • redesign ground combat to not consist of moving imprecise and slowly across a map and not feel like you're firing everything you got (include your ship's weapons) for minutes to take out a mob.
    • minigames for things like scanning, cracking codes, repairing things, healing people, etc. instead of "Press F" because we don't have any further functionality tied to this.
    • Missions aboard your own ship
    • Improve PvP mechanics so Klingons won't die of boredom as a PvP faction.

    I'd be happier if they do all that before tackling a new faction - since those benefit everyone and not the facion-of-the-week that players want. Right now the game has one fun faction and one underdeveloped faction: the Klingons don't work as a PvP faction and most of their PvE options are just the worst options present on the Federation side. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    If STO goes strictly UGC, then I will cancel my sub for good. I dont want to play crappy missions made by every Tom, Dirk, and Harry. I want to play professionally made crappy missions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    If STO goes strictly UGC, then I will cancel my sub for good. I dont want to play crappy missions made by every Tom, Dirk, and Harry. I want to play professionally made crappy missions.

    And you are not the only person who feels that way. Cryptic knows that would spell doom for ANY game. UGC is another feature, not a replacement for anything.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Right now, the plan is to open up federation space to klingon players, starting with Psi Canis, continue making the weekly specials for at least 1-5 more series, redevelop the ground combat, which will be the focus of season three alongside UGC, adding functionality to interiors (ship/crew healing, etc), redeveloping the crafting system further, adding a metric ****ton of klink ships, and a few more feddie ones, fleet bases, and a bunch of others I know I've missed.


    Every last one of those goals has come directly from a dev's mouth. Put. Your. Whining. WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.

    Cryptic is NOT going to abandon this game to the players, and UGC, if anything, will be a way for them to expand game content by picking the best of the best from player generated missions, cleaning them up, and adding them officially to game lore.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    If STO goes strictly UGC, then I will cancel my sub for good. I dont want to play crappy missions made by every Tom, Dirk, and Harry. I want to play professionally made crappy missions.
    PvE development isn't going to halt once UGC gets released. There will still be developer made missions :)

    On another note, even some of the professionally-made missions are crappy and make little sense in the game's fiction, either internally or from the shows.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    They have said in interviews that the weeklies will continue and that they have a lot of stuff planned for the next few seasons. Such as hopefully a territory game and others.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I am certainly interested in playing a Romulan, but there are SO many things I'd like to see before they add a new faction.

    1. Expansions to the Foundry that will be released.
    2. Usable ship interiors.
    3. Improved BOFF functionality (the ability to give orders to BOFFS such as "scan this" "fix this" "guard here")
    4. Fully realizing the Klingons before adding more factions.
    5. Improved explore missions.
    6. Crew positions (First Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer with a purpose and depth to these positions).

    etc etc etc.
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