Yup sure can. Would have been zero skin off my back too. Sadly I can imagine the ratings would have suffered somewhat without her.
I don't think the ratings with Voyager were all that impressive anyway, especially once the "ogling" factor over 7 of 9 died down a little.
Let's face it, TNG was successful in part because it was a syndicated show (how many shows are syndicated during their run anymore ). That meant the networks couldn't tell Roddenberry or other Executive Producers how to run their show. If Roddenberry had lived up to Enterprise, I think he'd have never agreed to part of a network again, especially after his experience with NBC. And becoming part of a network is what I think helped kill Voyager and Enterprise (which, I'll admit, isn't the only reason).
It also turned the poor DS9 series into the red-headed step child of the Star Trek universe.
Killing characters (especially popular ones, and love her or hate her, 7of9 was popular) is often just cheap and manipulative. Set 'em up and knock 'em down.
Rarely, it is done well enough to be artistic and meaningful. Usually it's about some writer who wants to make his bones by shocking the audience. Some people call this fearless. I don't agree. It's the kid at the beach kicking over his sandcastle before he goes home so noone else can play with it. It's selfish. It's a great big "Look at me! Look how awesome and powerful I am! I can make you love, I can make you cry! Dance puppets!". It's the mentality of the bully and the demogogue.
That said, it would have happened in the last episode of the series and there was no real feature film future for that franchise anyways. It would have been a little less 'deus ex machina' than future-Janeway muddying the timeline to assuage her guilt (and where are the g-d Time Cops when stuff like this happens?), but not necessarily better or worse.
Ture, but when you do kill off the main guys, you might mess up any come backs you have planned later. Like in film form. But it did work with Spock, he was killed off in Khan, and came back at the end of Trek 3.
In Sevens case, I think it would be a shame to have her go out like that, it would leave a bad taste in the fans mouth. l
i hate deaths in last episodes, pretty pointless even if its a big sacrifice. i dont like investing years of emotion into watching these characters to see them fall at the last hurdle.
Killing 7 would have been interesting, but I don't think would have made the series finale any more poignant, or "Human Error" (great as it was). I think a more interesting what if is how 7 will intergrate (or not) into Federation society as a whole.
No one really dies in Star Trek anyway. Even ol' Tasha Yar comes back every now and then.
I strongly disliked her. But, at the same time there were times she was pivotal to the plot and even a few episodes where she did a very good job in her role.
Killing her would have killed Voyager via ratings nose-dive, but I actually agree with the logic behind what he had said.
oddly enough this:
wrote:
"This was a woman who knew she was neither here nor there. She couldn't go back to the Borg, nor would she want to, but she could never be fully human, so she was doomed. And I wanted to have her sacrifice herself to get her shipmates home."
Is a LOT like something I had planned with my Fan Fic before I realized I had like one reader, the lead was going to stay behind in the last ep. to buy her crew time while a timer counted back on an explosive device planted inside a Borg ship, having finally realized just what that quote says. (to my one reader, you know who you are, it wasn't the end-end)
Mind you I never read this article before. And yes, I realize none of you care, just saying it makes sense to me.
Oh, and on a side-note that episode was actually sad, most Voyager episodes didn't quite reach emotional levels, that one did (well, as much as it could) and had she died it really would sealed the deal for it, yet driven the knife into the show's heart. I still hate that Kess left, sure she had the acting skills of a baked potato but I'm a sucker for wayward telepaths *points at avatar*
Seven should have died early in her appearance on Voy. She got the ship in more trouble then she was worth. Her self-rightous attiude could only be over shadowed by Picards. If Seven would have been killed, I would not have shed a single tear.
Meh. Seven. The only reason VOY was worth watching for most men.
I liked Voyager, well, some of it anyway. Some of it was far fetched, some compleely idiotic, and some of it...should be erased from history...permenantly....
Meh. Seven. The only reason VOY was worth watching for most men.
I liked Voyager, well, some of it anyway. Some of it was far fetched, some compleely idiotic, and some of it...should be erased from history...permenantly....
I can understand his desire to make them sacrifice something to get home early. As it was, the only sacrifice was from a future that wouldn't happen. Like a get out of jail free card.
It dawns on me they could have just as easily killed Icheb in that episode. He was something of an inconsequential character to begin with, well story wise anyways. If you look at the impact his death would have had on Seven and Janeway it'd be a pretty big impact on the crew. Considering he would haven died saving seven by giving up his Cortical Node it would have probably been the most heroism we ever saw in Voyager.
Meh. Seven. The only reason VOY was worth watching for most men.
I liked Voyager, well, some of it anyway. Some of it was far fetched, some compleely idiotic, and some of it...should be erased from history...permenantly....
Obviously you've never experienced "Spock's Brain" from TOS. What you say aboud Voyager and 7 of 9 can be said of every interation of Star Trek to make public viewing. Forget about the novels.
I don't think the ratings with Voyager were all that impressive anyway, especially once the "ogling" factor over 7 of 9 died down a little.
Let's face it, TNG was successful in part because it was a syndicated show (how many shows are syndicated during their run anymore ). That meant the networks couldn't tell Roddenberry or other Executive Producers how to run their show. If Roddenberry had lived up to Enterprise, I think he'd have never agreed to part of a network again, especially after his experience with NBC. And becoming part of a network is what I think helped kill Voyager and Enterprise (which, I'll admit, isn't the only reason).
It also turned the poor DS9 series into the red-headed step child of the Star Trek universe.
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I think Voyager avreaged about 4 million viewers. That's not too bad though it could have been better. I blame two things for Voyagers somewhat low ratings, Brannon Braga written episodes and UPN.
They were both well on their way to killing Star Trek altogether by this point. Well, they're both gone now- and not in STO at all.
Well, we haven't seen Seven in STO yet because Cryptic doesn't have the rights to use Jeri Ryan's likeness. Same reason we've seen virtually no one from the shows and movies (Data, Picard, Worf, etc.).
I liked Seven, Jeri Ryan was a competent enough actress that she was interesting to watch most of the time. Yeah, some of the episodes in Voyager sucked, but, as has been pointed out, all five shows had that. I'm just glad Braga's done and gone at this point.
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Honestly, I don't think it would have made any difference aside from making the finale more memorable.
I don't think the ratings with Voyager were all that impressive anyway, especially once the "ogling" factor over 7 of 9 died down a little.
Let's face it, TNG was successful in part because it was a syndicated show (how many shows are syndicated during their run anymore
It also turned the poor DS9 series into the red-headed step child of the Star Trek universe.
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Rarely, it is done well enough to be artistic and meaningful. Usually it's about some writer who wants to make his bones by shocking the audience. Some people call this fearless. I don't agree. It's the kid at the beach kicking over his sandcastle before he goes home so noone else can play with it. It's selfish. It's a great big "Look at me! Look how awesome and powerful I am! I can make you love, I can make you cry! Dance puppets!". It's the mentality of the bully and the demogogue.
That said, it would have happened in the last episode of the series and there was no real feature film future for that franchise anyways. It would have been a little less 'deus ex machina' than future-Janeway muddying the timeline to assuage her guilt (and where are the g-d Time Cops when stuff like this happens?), but not necessarily better or worse.
In Sevens case, I think it would be a shame to have her go out like that, it would leave a bad taste in the fans mouth. l
no need to kill her
neelix on the other hand......
No one really dies in Star Trek anyway. Even ol' Tasha Yar comes back every now and then.
However Braga....I am not a fan. I wish he'd never touched Trek....
He's up there with JJ in my book of Trek alum that should never have stepped foot onto a starship.
Killing her would have killed Voyager via ratings nose-dive, but I actually agree with the logic behind what he had said.
oddly enough this: Is a LOT like something I had planned with my Fan Fic before I realized I had like one reader, the lead was going to stay behind in the last ep. to buy her crew time while a timer counted back on an explosive device planted inside a Borg ship, having finally realized just what that quote says. (to my one reader, you know who you are, it wasn't the end-end)
Mind you I never read this article before. And yes, I realize none of you care, just saying it makes sense to me.
Oh, and on a side-note that episode was actually sad, most Voyager episodes didn't quite reach emotional levels, that one did (well, as much as it could) and had she died it really would sealed the deal for it, yet driven the knife into the show's heart. I still hate that Kess left, sure she had the acting skills of a baked potato but I'm a sucker for wayward telepaths *points at avatar*
I liked Voyager, well, some of it anyway. Some of it was far fetched, some compleely idiotic, and some of it...should be erased from history...permenantly....
The Warp 10 ep for instance?
That was good, until after the post-warp 10 flight.....
They were both well on their way to killing Star Trek altogether by this point. Well, they're both gone now- and not in STO at all.
Obviously you've never experienced "Spock's Brain" from TOS. What you say aboud Voyager and 7 of 9 can be said of every interation of Star Trek to make public viewing. Forget about the novels.
I think Voyager avreaged about 4 million viewers. That's not too bad though it could have been better. I blame two things for Voyagers somewhat low ratings, Brannon Braga written episodes and UPN.
I liked Seven, Jeri Ryan was a competent enough actress that she was interesting to watch most of the time. Yeah, some of the episodes in Voyager sucked, but, as has been pointed out, all five shows had that. I'm just glad Braga's done and gone at this point.
And, because it seems relevant...
I. Hate. Seven.
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Huh, who knew I actually replied. I had assumed this was a new thread I hadn't touched, nor suggested she needed to live.
I got egg on my face now.
OMG why would anyone think doing that would have been ok!? :eek:
Lol most people where watching Voyager b/c of 7 most likely lol :rolleyes: