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Okay so I have a question. I have The iMac 27" 2.66 QUAD Core i5 with The ATI Radeon 4850 HD 512 MB RAM. I play using WINE 1.1. I have alot of my video settings at 100%, dynamic lighting off, and THe Quality meter @ 2 out of 3. Space combat is good, but ground combat or movement... I notice the frame rate isnt good. Its laggy, especially during combat.

Do you think this is a Wine issue or that I dont have a high enough graphics card?

Also if I put in The ATI Radeon 5750 HD 1 GB Ram... will I notice a difference in quality and frame rate or is The 4850 enough?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I had a ATI Radeon 4870 Toxic Edition 512 MB RAM. I upgrade to the ATI Radeon 5770 1GB DDR 5, and yes there was a big difference. The loot orbs I can now see are actually pulsing. I played on max settings with both cards. Color wise I can't help as I am partially color blind. (Technically I can't distinguish between colors that are close.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Ghostspock wrote: »
    I had a ATI Radeon 4870 Toxic Edition 512 MB RAM. I upgrade to the ATI Radeon 5770 1GB DDR 5, and yes there was a big difference. The loot orbs I can now see are actually pulsing. I played on max settings with both cards. Color wise I can't help as I am partially color blind. (Technically I can't distinguish between colors that are close.)

    I found this website http://www.hwcompare.com/graphics/compare.php?c=Radeon-HD-4850-512MB-vs-Radeon-HD-5750-1024MB-1GB- that says it aint a big difference between the 2
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    It is your choice as I can only relate to what worked for me. My ISP also upgraded my connection to 1mbs and I forget to mention that I went from a Core2 2gig to an i3 2.93gig and a Intel Huntercove MB. I have 4gig ram ddr2 and now have the 4gig DDR3 1600mhz ram. Still running win7 home premium 64bit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    my suggestion would be to get a real computer, rather that keep something apple won't even let you update drivers:rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Okay so I have a question. I have The iMac 27" 2.66 QUAD Core i5 with The ATI Radeon 4850 HD 512 MB RAM. I play using WINE 1.1. I have alot of my video settings at 100%, dynamic lighting off, and THe Quality meter @ 2 out of 3. Space combat is good, but ground combat or movement... I notice the frame rate isnt good. Its laggy, especially during combat.

    Do you think this is a Wine issue or that I dont have a high enough graphics card?

    Also if I put in The ATI Radeon 5750 HD 1 GB Ram... will I notice a difference in quality and frame rate or is The 4850 enough?

    I get ~70fps on the ground and ~100fps in space. Notice my signature for my pc specs.

    http://rookbytes.com/theta9/gallery/ to see some of my screenshots with the Fraps counter in yellow in the bottom right corner. http://starfleetops.org/about/images/?nggpage=14 has more of mine on the ground.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    ThetaNine wrote:
    I get ~70fps on the ground and ~100fps in space. Notice my signature for my pc specs.

    While everyone is posting all their wonder FPS rates no one is posting their resolutions or detail levle let alone AA and AF settings ALL of which have an impact on the speeds.

    If you are going to post FPS information please at least make it useful by giving us a context .
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Okay so I have a question. I have The iMac 27" 2.66 QUAD Core i5 with The ATI Radeon 4850 HD 512 MB RAM. I play using WINE 1.1. I have alot of my video settings at 100%, dynamic lighting off, and THe Quality meter @ 2 out of 3. Space combat is good, but ground combat or movement... I notice the frame rate isnt good. Its laggy, especially during combat.

    Do you think this is a Wine issue or that I dont have a high enough graphics card?

    Also if I put in The ATI Radeon 5750 HD 1 GB Ram... will I notice a difference in quality and frame rate or is The 4850 enough?

    use my UMV 1.2 beta 5 build... download link is in the forum thread main post (see my sig)... it runs much better than 1.1 ... and if i don't find any more issues, I'll make it the main download soon enough.... Ground combat speeds are much better, because its much faster at drawing in characters and such.

    To upgrade, just look inside your 1.1 STO app (right click and "Show Package Contents") and find the Crytpic Studios folder... and move it over inside the 1.2 beta5 wrapper in the same exact spot, and it should be good to go.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    While everyone is posting all their wonder FPS rates no one is posting their resolutions or detail levle let alone AA and AF settings ALL of which have an impact on the speeds.

    If you are going to post FPS information please at least make it useful by giving us a context .

    Did you look at the images? They are 1920x1080 I run full screen never windowed.

    I run AA at 8x and AF at 4x but it doesn't do anything different unless I turn it off and then the windows on my ship just get a little blurry when zoomed out from it.

    It's easier to say I have all the settings turned up full blast except for shadows (on low--who needs em) and thennnnnn I have dynamic lighting off in case the crash bug happens so I just don't worry about it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I’ve got a 4870 1gb and I’ve noticed problems with ground combat some weapons effects seems to cause it to stutter badly and can crash it outright. Noticed it a lot when fighting the Klingons in the early stages like that first feel action.

    Oddly enough I’ve not noticed it nearly as much or at all when playing at higher level like fighting the borg and undwhatsit. I’m guessing its some weapon effects that are doing it. Part of me says the wide beam phaser can do it and a good chunk of what the Klingons carry.

    Can’t really say if its new or not back in release I was using a nvidia and stopped playing after the first month I got the ati maybe 2 weeks before the recent free weekend and didn’t notice it at during the weekend but I was only using my higher level toon which again only really was up against the borg and spider-bug-men-things. It Wasn’t till I started messing with an alt at low level that I noticed the rather jerky ground behavior and crashing.

    I’m rather sure it’s not overheating or the likes I can run a lot more intensive games constantly plus ship combat and it doesn’t affect it the same way. I don’t think it’s being overtaxed with geometry either because been on ground missions with lots of borg and spider-bug-men at the same time and not missed a beat.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Windows frame rates have little to do with frame rates on Mac OS X since running on the Mac requires an extra Wine layer that slows things down.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Don’t know about the whole wine thing it is more work for your puter in general. It could also be an ati drive/sto thing though.

    This is a link to some problems with ati vid cards and sto in general.

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=91678&page=21

    As for going from the 4850 to the 5750. You might not notice much of a boost. The next gen version your card would be the 5850. That second digit is important also when deciding what to get. It helps designate how powerful the card is graphics wise. You might also try looking at nvidia also the gtx 460 is rather good for the money these days.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Oh forget what I said about the normal vid card I think your puter uses a laptop vid card. It’s like a monitor with a laptop strapped to its back. I have no idea on the form factor for that think its mxm. Id still say if your going to try and pop her open you might want to go to a 58-somthing if its going to be ati
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I run an ATI 4800 series and it runs smooth as silk on the medium graphics settings. I still turn it down for PVP though.

    I've found that STO is much more sensitive to your CPU clock speed than your graphics card though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I’ve got a 4870 1gb and I’ve noticed problems with ground combat some weapons effects seems to cause it to stutter badly and can crash it outright. Noticed it a lot when fighting the Klingons in the early stages like that first feel action.

    Oddly enough I’ve not noticed it nearly as much or at all when playing at higher level like fighting the borg and undwhatsit. I’m guessing its some weapon effects that are doing it. Part of me says the wide beam phaser can do it and a good chunk of what the Klingons carry.

    Can’t really say if its new or not back in release I was using a nvidia and stopped playing after the first month I got the ati maybe 2 weeks before the recent free weekend and didn’t notice it at during the weekend but I was only using my higher level toon which again only really was up against the borg and spider-bug-men-things. It Wasn’t till I started messing with an alt at low level that I noticed the rather jerky ground behavior and crashing.

    I’m rather sure it’s not overheating or the likes I can run a lot more intensive games constantly plus ship combat and it doesn’t affect it the same way. I don’t think it’s being overtaxed with geometry either because been on ground missions with lots of borg and spider-bug-men at the same time and not missed a beat.

    Turn off Dynamic lighting. It's been a weird issue with ATI cards well known since closed beta. Can't believe its still going on...

    With it off, I run the game beautifully on my 5770 1GB. To the OP, a 4850 should be more than enough to run STO on high. Might be an issue with emulating windows on top of playing the game. You'll never get the same performance out of an emulator as you would the real thing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    thefrayl wrote: »
    Turn off Dynamic lighting. It's been a weird issue with ATI cards well known since closed beta. Can't believe its still going on...

    With it off, I run the game beautifully on my 5770 1GB. To the OP, a 4850 should be more than enough to run STO on high. Might be an issue with emulating windows on top of playing the game. You'll never get the same performance out of an emulator as you would the real thing.

    luckily Wine doesn't emulate windows... its only reproducing the win32 (and they are working on win64) API. This is why Wine can run games at near native speed, while emulators like VirtualBox and VMware and such are much much slower.. they emulate a computer and run full Windows on top of it. That said, it still has to figure out how to handle STO's Windows code... its always going to be a work in progress so its never perfect. It could be perfect if they just looked at some MS code and based it off actual MS code, but due to wanting to avoid any legal issues, its all done completely separate of any MS code... making it an extremely hard project. But still if he runs my 1.2 wrapper version it will be very noticeable improved due to some changes in Wine and how Wine is handling some things graphically.

    If the OP dual booted with Windows I'm sure it would run fantastic... but then you have to run Windows... yuck

    I'd also recommend to not turn off dynamic lighting on the STO UMV version, since the gamma correction doesn't work, if you turn that off many places get way too dark and theres no way to brighten them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I use a 5850 and I get no lag, but then again my graphics settings are not maxed out (almost but not quite) and I'm playing on a 1920x1080 monitor. If I were playing at a lower resolution, I could probably feel comfortable maxing everything (except dynamic lighting of course).

    My old 4870 could handle similar settings, but at a lower resolution (running in Windowed mode at 1440x900).

    If you've maxed out the settings on a 4850, you're going to get some lag unless you're playing at a fairly low resolution.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    thefrayl wrote: »
    Turn off Dynamic lighting. It's been a weird issue with ATI cards well known since closed beta. Can't believe its still going on...

    With it off, I run the game beautifully on my 5770 1GB. To the OP, a 4850 should be more than enough to run STO on high. Might be an issue with emulating windows on top of playing the game. You'll never get the same performance out of an emulator as you would the real thing.

    As much as I dislike the ATI/dynamic lighting bug, from what I hear nVidia users have had worse problems recently.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Krenn wrote: »
    my suggestion would be to get a real computer, rather that keep something apple won't even let you update drivers:rolleyes:


    Ah... A huge percentage of high end graphics designers use Macs as do a good percentage of film editors. You know Apple...the affordable middle class product that puts the main stream PC markets graphics engine to shame. Yeah...that real PC. It's too bad the game designers don't create for the Apple market...'cause if they did...everyone would want to play STO on a MAC (never a virus...never a frag issue...never overheats). You can keep your P-iece of C-rap.

    :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Wow... you necro'd the thread... for that???

    And perhaps you are unaware, but Macs use the same components that PCs use now. They are not 'special' anymore. They can run Windows now at ease using Bootcamp, because of this.

    Also, they are most certainly not immune to viruses, crashes, or overheating. They are quality built computers, in sleek encasings, sold for a high price. (Way too high, if you ask me).

    One more thing, 'graphics engine's have nothing to do with the machine being a PC or Mac. If STO were officially released for Macs, it would use the exact same engine it does now.
    doh123 wrote: »
    luckily Wine doesn't emulate windows... its only reproducing the win32 (and they are working on win64) API.

    ....which is emulation.... yes... :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Okay so I have a question. I have The iMac 27" 2.66 QUAD Core i5 with The ATI Radeon 4850 HD 512 MB RAM. I play using WINE 1.1. I have alot of my video settings at 100%, dynamic lighting off, and THe Quality meter @ 2 out of 3. Space combat is good, but ground combat or movement... I notice the frame rate isnt good. Its laggy, especially during combat.

    Do you think this is a Wine issue or that I dont have a high enough graphics card?

    Also if I put in The ATI Radeon 5750 HD 1 GB Ram... will I notice a difference in quality and frame rate or is The 4850 enough?

    I run the HD 4550 and have no issues with the game. i don't know a lot about the 4850 card it may be a issue with that set of card or you might just be pushing to much other things at once.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I run the Nvidia Geforce 460 GTX and I get some lag on the ground (only really in social zones), but never in space.
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