Vice admiral "Fed v Fed PvP" = Epic fail there are only idiots whit Defiant's & Galaxy x in their.
Cryptic you better give every ship cloak because this blows big time !!!
Federation is @ war whit everyone, so why should we stick to old treaties that Federation isn't allowed to have develop a cloak especially know that their are 2 fed ships whit cloak it's all out the window I get ganged in PvP "Fed v fed" or "fed v Kling" Doesn't matter making my dear old Prometheus worthless because of everyone one else flying cloak
>>>Make cloak a Device like a Battery!!!<<<
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I know give it a few days but I don't think this is a problem that is going away any time soon I want a descent fights not a gang-bang.
& Yeah, again "MAKE CLOAK A DEVICE PROBLEM SOLVED!!!"
I'm not surprized that everybody is lying in wait cloaked now in PvP. At least on the lon run there will be no PvP with the que system and the imbalances.
this is a perfect example why I dont PvP..... in any game let alone this one.
a little self-control and respect goes a long way....and the PvP crowd always seems to have none. (will never activate open-teaming for the same reason). Against their "own kind" is nearly worse than the opposition !!?!?! .. go figure.
...gamer attitudes are shameful at best...throw PvP in the mix, it gets downright abhorrent.
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I guess they were right, it wasn't the cloak - but how well one plays that was the factor.
RA and VA ships are both T5.
its not often i agree with Cold_gin_time_Again, but on this I do..
PvP will never be "balanced" because PvP demands a winner.. and if it was "balanced" you couldnt win, you'd just be pew pew'ing at each other endlessly till time ran out..
You are right on many levels. True balance will never be possible in pvp due to differences in player skill.
It does and will make for long games. I played in one yesterday (new BG1) that lasted over an hour and ended with a score of 85/33.
It was awesome!!!!
I will continue to pvp just so I can get into games that go like it did.
Exactly. Some people get the impression that success in PvP equates to being successful in life. It's just a game folks, get over yourselves.
I avoid FvK queues, not because I have an issue with cloaked vessels, it's because I have issue with Klingon players who feel that it's their perceived superior personal ability at the game which gives them an inherent advantage while completely refusing to acknowledge that infinite invisibility is a HUGE tactical advantage. Even funnier is the idea that cloaking promotes team play rather than "lone wolf" hit and run tactics. 3 players uncloaking at the same time and focus firing one target is NOT playing as a team. It's the arrogant and condescending Klingon players I want to avoid, not their ships.
In FvF, I have never once found a Galaxy-X to be any serious threat, and I'm not too worried about the Defiant either. Unfortunately if FvF PvP turns into nothing but everyone sitting around cloaked then hopefully Cryptic will realize that game play > canon and turn cloaking into an ability with a duration and cool down just like the other abilities in the game. Cloak should be used for a surprise attack not to indefinitely hide from your opponent or disappear in the middle of battle until you are fully restored.
Buff the hull/shield strength of ships with cloak ability where necessary and make it limited. That would eliminate any abuse of cloaking.
This... when you see cruiser pop in 5 seconds... or 2 escorts trying to hammer a sci and can't take it down for several minutes till another 2 people join in....
Though the first time i played VA pvp I was suprised by a double decloack alpha strike by two defiants...
But only once.
Just give use better cloack dedection, even with a sci ship and EPtA you can bearly dedect cloacked ships when your not in 3km range...
But coming to the Klingons feeling superior: They are, usually, superior; but not because of their cloak. Here you have a group of players that are forced to level by PvP grinding because the alternatives are endless cluster or incursion grinds that usually gives way less rewards per time spent. When a Klingon group enters any PvP map; one of the first things you see is a team getting set up and targets being designated. On the flip side; try setting up a Federation team when you enter a PvP map and you're either ignored or insulted because you're 'spamming'.
On the cloak: yes, it offers a nice tactical advantage; but any decent player knows how to counter it. I've been devastated by Fed teams before because they use proper cloak detection and teamwork; it's not hard, it's no mystery on how to do it. A lot of people who PvP just don't want to spend points or set skills to properly do it; but then they're the ones who sit back and QQ about how OP the cloak is. Oh well; I guess that's easier to do that than actually do something that requires a little bit of work and thinking.
That is all.
Well.. 2 escorts hammering a Sci... would surely be a quick experience
Detecting cloaked ships? NO problem! In my sci ship, running 90 to Aux and no EPtoA, i can usually detect them at 7-8kms, and if i fire my Sensor Scan I can detect them at twice that distance! However, i sometimes get the feeling i'm the only science ship left in PvP...
I too think the cloak craze will fade with time, but I am also strongly against having a Fed cloak, especially in the flavour it is now - the Galaxy X is somewhat slow and cumbersome, but if the Defiant refit has just the same characteristics as say a Dervish class but with cloak, it might represent a problem of sort. More importantly though, what's really wrong is allowing one team to be in a situation were everybody has a cloak bar one or two - this will make the guy/lady in question "constant bait" and being ganged up infinitely - incredibly frustrating (although it might have some tactical approaches, very hard to pull off anyway).
So, it should be either all ships with a cloaking device (klingon side) or none of them (federation).
Also, this will exacerbate another problem that I think it mainly happens on the fed side - I don't know how many times I've been in CnH games where 1 guy in a Galaxy X spent the entire match cloaked in a corner..."just there for the dailies". Now we will also see cloaked Defiants doing that.
There was already a problem with the builds variety in PvP (it's no mistery that a Fleet Escort with all Dual Heavy Cannons is the "easier way to go", and by a considerable margin), I guess the Defiant Retrofit will only make this worse...
However, cloak is highly overrated. You can't win a match in cloak. Everyone has to drop out of it at some point. So all you have to do as the last uncloaked ship, is to be good bait.
Sadly Feds don't have a clue how to work as a team with bait, or even just how to be bait, unless they have KDF alts that have done KVK. Of course that means most KDF don't know how to do it either. At least some will learn. It is necessary that people actually learn to do that, because cloak isn't going anywhere, and they don't seem keen on fixing cloak detection any time soon.
And to be sure, its a much bigger problem for Feds, because the bait can be forced to be the weakest of all, the science ships, whereas the KDF has a pretty tough ship to play bait in the Vo'Quv. Of course most Feds don't understand cloak at all and will be much easier to detect than the KDF.
Regardless, get over it and learn how to adapt to the new situation. The attitudes on the Fed side can be pretty pathetic and defeatist, because many have brainwashed themselves into thinking cloak is all that. Its not.
And if you still can't figure out how to play without cloaking, then get MES. There is absolutely no reason to complain that you don't have cloak and everyone else does since that power has been buffed.
Seriously.. I dont have any problem when fighting Klingons in my SV - I spot them at 10-15k range, the reason I lose these games are because my "team" are busy impulsing around by themselves
The last time I qued for a FvF (was a long time ago mind you) I remember it stating it was a TRAINING excersise.
Use it that way...
EVERY class in the game has cloak detection skills... learn them.
Eject Plasma
Charged Particle Burst
Gravity Well
Sensor Scan
There are also powers that prevent cloaking like Tractor Beam and Shockwave.
NOTICE TO FED PLAYERS.... stop trying to Fill EVERY slot you have with heals and RSP copies... and slot some offensive abilitys that STOP or Limit the use of cloak.
Also please note that once a cloak is off there is only one ship that can re engage it on you that being the bop.... SPEED you self up so that the bop driver can not find a good spot to give you the slip in and cloak.
No bop that wants to live is going to try to cloak while they are in your strongest arc.
Use season 2.0 FvF as the training game is should be and learn to fish for cloaks... it really isn't hard.
Not unless my finger slips and hits it by accident, at which point its EVM3+PH1+BFI3+Engine batt+ST2 and I'm gone.
(hopefully):)
OR the reason you don't pvp is because you get smoked by 90% of players (in any game let alone this one). I'm just saying.
It has its drawbacks... ie its waferthin when under attack, but nothing beats soloinstapopping just about everything on one attack run.
RSP always makes me laugh, had one of them new klinky carriers yesterday. I buffed up, decloaked, rapid fire 3d his shields at point blank range, he popped rsp aaaaaand the tricobalt hit him and pop.
Hit all evasive measures and targetted the closing bop with beam target engines and pretty much stopped him dead in the water and got out with like 25 percent rear shields remaining.
Cloaked up, found next target and rinse repeat.
Even more fun when my buddy is flying wing in his.
We double bagged 2 sci ships at the EXACT SAME TIME.
Which was utter win
I support the new ships 110%
After some PvP Daily runs, I rearmed my Fleet Escort...missing the eng consule and trading a Eng Ens for a Tac Ens, doesn't work...a extra Tac Lt would have made this a decent ship, maybe...I think we give up a lot for a cloak...Never wanted the cloak in the first place..wanted better shields...The Tac Escort has a glass jaw...imho
However, Fed Cloak is canon...Klingon whinners...get over it.
GW needs a target to be able to fire... but mines! Mines will target uncloaked ships! How about fitting a dispersal pattern and a mine launcher?