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SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited July 2010 in PvP Gameplay
well i have to say dev did not do thair job right
if you fly a Cruiser Class u die whith 3 sec even if you use RSP
how is that a Escort Class ship get to kill biggest ships in game in 3 sec i dont even get time to use a hull repair


Cryptic Dev's you get head out you sky and fix the Cruiser Class
soo that Cruiser Class is more of a tank as it stands

your Escort Class
thows ship are just escorts thay are Escort for larger ships
get rid of DPS system thats number 1

ThePatch Blows unbalanced pice of Junk

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I'm in an escort. I've played a bit of PvP. Seems to be if you're a cruiser that knows what you're doing you're not going to fall to an escort's firepower. I can take good science and escort ships okay. Cruisers with good skills can absorb my DPS pretty easily.

    Cruiser are the OP'd ones right now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Welcome to STO forums where for the next three days we can hear all about the problems inherent to a update that the OP could've have tested himself for as long as he wanted on Tribble, but didn't.

    Lets revel in the slew of issues that suddenly arise from an update that set off no seriuos alarms from the testing crowd as it goes live.................
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I saw no changes to escorts at all on tribble save a suspiciously slower turn rate. Just enough of a diff to bug you but not enough to confirm visually.

    Op Look at the cruiser threads and see what is off in your build. I think you are getting slammed for not doing tank spec right.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Capulet wrote: »
    I saw no changes to escorts at all on tribble save a suspiciously slower turn rate. Just enough of a diff to bug you but not enough to confirm visually.

    Op Look at the cruiser threads and see what is off in your build. I think you are getting slammed for not doing tank spec right.

    Here is a good one, but old;

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=155283


    and a new one about healing;
    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=159748
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    As a Engineering Officer i notted that

    This patch for Season Two Ancient Enemiesgame Cruisers die soo fast it unrealistic game play for the Engineering players in a Cruiser

    If that fix it soo that only cruisers can hull heal that would help some but rapped fire is main prob
    as well as nuffed RSP .
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Roach wrote: »
    He was complaining about Cruiser survivability I believe.

    Yup! that's why I pointed to the cruiser threads. Was merely saying nothing in the escorts were changed, not unless everybody already has 5.5 ships an hours after release. If that is the case....SLOW DOWN PPL! lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Capulet wrote: »
    Yup! that's why I pointed to the cruiser threads. Was merely saying nothing in the escorts were changed, not unless everybody already has 5.5 ships an hours after release. If that is the case....SLOW DOWN PPL! lol

    I noticed that you did too late, so I changed ny post to offer some links for him.
    It does sound as if he just doesn't like the 75% resistance cap on RSP that is in effect.
    Odd most players on tribble didn't find it all that dammaging during testing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Roach wrote: »
    I noticed that you did too late, so I changed ny post to offer some links for him.

    Ah! Tyvm Krusty Clown. Here's a cookie. nyum nyum
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Nom Nom Nom.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    My cruiser works very well in PvP, and I played it 5 minutes ago. I stalled out a fight with 2 Galaxy-X's in my Negh'var very well, and my ship didn't blow up, nor one of the Galaxy-ships.

    Sorry for my bad English
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    look at this way cruiser are 5 to 10 times as big as as escorts but yet the Cruisers can't tank a smail escort


    if the Cruisers had 100k hull points for Cruisers that might help as well

    and a nother prob is Cruisers can't lunch more then 2 torp solvos unrealistic
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    LOL fight 2 escort and u will see u die whith 3, 4 sec whith no chance to even hit a hull heal
    and even if use the Miracle Worker skill that might by u 2 or 3 sec more but after that your dead in space
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Firetroll wrote: »
    LOL fight 2 escort and u will see u die whith 3, 4 sec whith no chance to even hit a hull heal
    and even if use the Miracle Worker skill that might by u 2 or 3 sec more but after that your dead in space

    Have you tried loading up on hull resist consoles? They can give you up to 75% damage resistance I believe, which should let you last four times as long, well enough to reverse shield polarity and rotate sheiks frequencies.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    lol hull resist consoles oo yes i'm at 42% on kinetic resist
    and rest of resist's is at 31%

    IT DOES NOT HELP AT ALL
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    resist consoles Do not work
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Firetroll wrote: »
    resist consoles Do not work

    If escort cannons are your problem you might want to biff energy resist instead. Also you could try combat without them and see if it's any worse. However in a two on one against dps classes of ships I wouldn't expect to last too long. Are you the same level as them?

    If allelse fails fly a retrofit intrepid with ablative hull, I hear it makes you basicly invincible.

    Oh and if you last 3 seconds other escorts must last 1 because checking the stats you really do have more shield and hull points.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Oh boy...

    Are you rotating your shield resists/regen capabilities? They do stack, and quite nicely too even after the 75% cap.

    Are you balancing your shields out?

    Do you pack haz emits 1 or 2? My current loadout is HE1 + TSS2

    Aux to SIF2 + ET1 (yup, rocking the 1s hehehehe two copies of ET1 in fact! It gives me a nice 10-11k heal (combined) every 15 sec. Haz emits for more hull resists / heal should i need it)

    Are you flying like captain kirk? Solo vs 3-5 enemy ships in pvp?

    Point being, stop relying on RSP alone to save your behind. That escort lining up for an attack run has probably popped 2-4 buffs because he wants to fry you. You should pop more than 1 shield buff (and for pete's sake balance your shields) to make him curse at himself for failing to kill you. Also, assault cruisers don't turn that bad at all, so your other shield facings are helpful as well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Lol your not hearing what i saying

    I have full resist's consoles max alowed
    bigest shilds around 8000 shilds
    even if use all my skills to tank it does not help
    as fair as escorts last 1 sec no way
    as even if do a mager hit i dont do any whair near the damge the escorts do
    as a Engineering Officer in a Cruisers

    That would be ok if i did not die whith 3 to 4
    but thay Nuffed the RSP are hull heal's only heals for 9855 at one time i rember healing for 17k per heal .
    and Cruisers can't fire more then 2 torp useing solvo.
    soo Cruisers do min damge to escorts '' why the escorts do max damge ''.

    The DPS system needs to bee droped or nuff the rappid fire.

    it plan to see that Engineering class in a cruisers are soo nuffed.
    in my view Engineering class shud bee strongest class in game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Firetroll, The escorts have been beat to hell with the nerf bat already. If you are still getting spaced that quick being an engineer in a cruiser going 1 on 1 against an escort you are doing something fundamentally wrong. Use Krusty's links and review the cruiser threads and the Engineer threads. So you have res consoles, great but are your skills set as a tank spec or DPS? by your posting I have a hunch your a riding the line between the two. Trying to do good DPS and heal.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I fly a Cruiser and i notice no change... i have not died yet in 2.0 with my 1.2 build. i do notice a change in my DPS though...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    rainbow builds for everyone :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Lol at this thread... it has nothing changed for cruisers since 1.2... if you could surive in 1.2 you can surive in 2.0.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    2.0. thay nuffed RSP for 1
    i never told any one i sucked i trying explan that that escorts rappid fire is too strong
    it's fact that Engineering class can't tank 2 escorts any more in a Cruiser
    you die 3 to 4 sec do to rapped fire and RSP nuff

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Firetroll wrote: »
    2.0. thay nuffed RSP for 1
    i never told any one i sucked i trying explan that that escorts rappid fire is too strong
    it's fact that Engineering class can't tank 2 escorts any more in a Cruiser
    you die 3 to 4 sec do to rapped fire and RSP nuff

    no sir, it is not a fact. Also, you are using the word "you" when you should be saying "I" because the word you implies the rest of us, who don't seem to have "your" problem.

    We don't know what you are doing wrong, but since you are convinced you aren't doing anything wrong - keep blaming everything else. When you are ready to stop complaining about Cryptic, which translates into you informing us you are terrible at PvP, why not asking questions instead of tossing accusations.

    The GM should have locked this thread, but since he didn't, I presume he is giving you a chance to stop being terrible by seeking advice.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Firetroll wrote: »
    Lol your not hearing what i saying

    I have full resist's consoles max alowed
    bigest shilds around 8000 shilds
    even if use all my skills to tank it does not help
    as fair as escorts last 1 sec no way
    as even if do a mager hit i dont do any whair near the damge the escorts do
    as a Engineering Officer in a Cruisers

    That would be ok if i did not die whith 3 to 4
    but thay Nuffed the RSP are hull heal's only heals for 9855 at one time i rember healing for 17k per heal .
    and Cruisers can't fire more then 2 torp useing solvo.
    soo Cruisers do min damge to escorts '' why the escorts do max damge ''.

    The DPS system needs to bee droped or nuff the rappid fire.

    it plan to see that Engineering class in a cruisers are soo nuffed.
    in my view Engineering class shud bee strongest class in game.


    LOL to you too... cuz you also dont listen to all advices here ;)


    I am flying on both sides, my Fed as an Eng/Cruiser, my Klink (DAREDEVIL for those, who knows me^^) as a Tac/Raptor... and i can say, Player Skill is EVERYTHING !!!!!
    Yes, i can kill Cruisers alone with my Raptor, sometimes relatively fast... but some special players i CANT kill at all !!

    As today, i had a beautiful 1 on 1 in Kerrat with @Arcangel, hes flying a Cruiser (if you read this, thx again for the good fight)... and i cant break his tank !!! Even more, he was also doing some good damage, forcing me several times to head out, repair hull and come back... but sadly for me, he was also full repaired again :p

    So, conclusion, after approximately 10 minutes of intense fighting, we agreed both to a draw :)


    Same experience when i am flying my Cruiser:

    Sometimes i can tank up to 4 people for short period of time or 2 Escorts over time ( after the initial strike, their damage goes down cuz their buffs running out)... in the meantime there are other players, who gets killed by a single escort in the first approach...


    Sorry m8, but my Conclusion is hard but realistic:

    To fly the same ship, having eventually the same skills, have some similar BOs, doesnt mean, that everyone is as good in PVP than the others !!! There is NO guarantee, that you bought with your box, that YOU are a good player in terms of PVP... in the opposite, there are much more worse players in PVP than good ones :o

    Same happens to me... i am thinking of me as an average to good player in PVP (my records showing me that), but there are ALWAYS some better ones out there !!! and when i meets one of those guys, i could also loose


    So,my advice:

    Instead of claiming here that YOUR class would be too weak ( which you would do for sure the same way, if you would be flying another class), sit back, calm down and think about your tactic... eventually this could help, but if you are not talented for PVP in STO maybe not... but that YOU loosing most of the engagments against one specific class doesnt mean, that the classes are imbalanced at first... think about that
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    i just pointing what i see whats roung 1on1 are not the prob it's the RSP nuff and rappit fire is to strong
    makeing pvp unbalanced for my Class
    1.30 min cool down is too long for RSP

    i payed for my game out right if i thank the games is unbalanced thats my opinion
    and i have right to ask for it to bee fixed
    The DPS system needs to bee droped or nuff the rappid fire.

    fact is the Engineering class in a cruiser have been Nuffed
    i'm not listen to your advices maxmagic if you was a Career Officer i might

    I fly Engineer , cruiser and will never fly any other class thats my right as Career Officer
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Firetroll wrote: »
    i just pointing what i see whats roung 1on1 are not the prob it's the RSP nuff and rappit fire is to strong
    makeing pvp unbalanced for my Class
    1.30 min cool down is too long for RSP

    i payed for my game out right if i thank the games is unbalanced thats my opinion
    and i have right to ask for it to bee fixed
    The DPS system needs to bee droped or nuff the rappid fire.

    fact is the Engineering class in a cruiser have been Nuffed
    i'm not listen to your advices maxmagic if you was a Career Officer i might

    I fly Engineer , cruiser and will never fly any other class thats my right as Career Officer

    Career Officer title only speaks for your pocket book. Yes I fly escort, I also fly my Engineer healer spec in a Cruiser. I have never, ever been dropped that quick unless It was 3 or 4 BOPs jumping me in unison.
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