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Atari sales down, we're one of their glimmers of hope?

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Something tells me this news will not be good for us, especially those opposed to the C-store.

URL: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/26/atari-sales-down-in-q1-online-is-the-glimmer-o f-hope/

Oh well, I am still going to support Crytic through the various sales they have for this game occasionally, and I hope to one day support Champions Online also in the same way(when I invent a way to create more time or pause it :p).

Manage this game at best you can Cryptic. We got your back. :D
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    this has been posted several times now
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Oh. Sorry I missed them. I am at work and did not see it mentioned on the first page when I checked.

    Apologies.:rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yeah, I posted about this too and got locked eventually (Stormshaaaade! *Khan emote* ;) )

    However you take it, its good news.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    General rule of Star Trek; main characters=always the last bastion of hope. This isn't bad news. Or surprising.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Does this mean Backyard Baseball and other Atari hits were red-shirts?

    If so, is Champions Spock? Or is STO?

    regardless, glad to see that STO seems to be doing well and won't be going anywhere soon. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    What is this? an attempt to bring mass panic to the community? More doom, gloom and fear mongering? Are we even real or are well all plugged in to a big super computer, and we are providing energy for a race of machines? These questions and more on the 7 o'clock news. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Since that was a single quarter and the max subscription time would have been 3 months in that period, and assuming a purchase price of 30 dollars that was about 146,000 players who came and went if they did not subscribe lifetime or spend cash in the c-store. I'd love to see a breakdown of that by game and revenue source.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    heh ....

    reeeeeeaaally bad timing on posting in this thread methinks...

    :rolleyes::cool::rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Zodi-emish wrote:
    What is this? an attempt to bring mass panic to the community? More doom, gloom and fear mongering? Are we even real or are well all plugged in to a big super computer, and we are providing energy for a race of machines? These questions and more on the 7 o'clock news. ;)

    Im compiling SKYNET as I download the pre-patch.
    By hand. Bit by bit.

    :cool:

    Also, STO FTW, profit is no shame if gained through many subscribers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Wait...wait....revenue was up 320% from the previous quarter?

    This means that the revenue from STO (because lets be real about CO's numbers) tripled between 4/1 and 6/30...compared to 1/1-3/30?

    This means that STO made three times as much money, just from C-Store and subscriptions, as it made from box sales and LTS's at release?

    So...uh...where are all those guys who have been posting about how STO is bleeding subs, about to close, about to go f2p, desperate for cash, etc. etc.?

    Oh, right. They're going to wait until people forget about this, and then come back and post the same BS as before.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    STO's numbers are decreasing. Its extremely visble.

    Season 2 won't help either, other than pulling back some lifers who have given up otherwise for a short period. The worst thing they could have done is raise the level cap, instead of using the full resource to flesh out what was there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Dryan wrote:
    STO's numbers are decreasing. Its extremely visble.

    Season 2 won't help either, other than pulling back some lifers who have given up otherwise for a short period.

    /reporter_voice

    Doom and Gloom. More at 10.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Oh, right. They're going to wait until people forget about this, and then come back and post the same BS as before.

    You must have prophetic powers, look :
    Dryan wrote:
    STO's numbers are decreasing. Its extremely visble.
    Season 2 won't help either, other than pulling back some lifers who have given up otherwise for a short period.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Aside from its fact. You guys are just in denial.

    www.mmodata.net (under the 50 - 150k section). STO has nothing but nose dived.

    Season 2 could have been used to try add swing the situation, but all it does is move the problems to a new level.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Dryan wrote:
    Aside from its fact. You guys are just in denial.

    www.mmodata.net (under the 50 - 150k section). STO has nothing but nose dived.

    Season 2 could have been used to try amd swing the situation, but all it does it move the problems to a new level.

    /reporter_voice

    Oh my dryan she is at it again. more evidence that there is DOOM, and maybe some gloom. Full Store on the 11 O'clock news. :D I'm kidding, and have some fun
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Zodi-emish wrote:
    /reporter_voice

    Oh my dryan she is at it again. more evidence that there is DOOM, and maybe some gloom. Full Store on the 11 O'clock news. :D I'm kidding, and have some fun


    You need to fill that fanbio meter to the top. You can't ignore fact. Well actually you can't, but its not much sign of intelligence.

    For the record, I'm male.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    MMOData.net cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here as it is based on various sources which could be incomplete, inaccurate or otherwise unreliable. Furthermore, all estimates are the opinion of MMOData.net and should be treated as such.

    :)

    Oh and the site had the astonishing number of clicks: around 88k
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    /reporter_voice

    on other news mmodata.net does not seem to list his sources. ( that I can find still looking ) if out it the website must be taken was a grain of salt. in other words the rules of the internet, link it or it didn't happen.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Dryan wrote:
    You need to fill that fanbio metre to the top. You can't ignore fact. Well actually you can't, but its not much sign of intelligence.

    For the record, I'm male.

    /reporter_voice.

    No the fanboi meter says at 6 because I still don't approve of them as much as I did. also the meter will never be a 10.

    also your a male I stand corrected.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    MMOData.net is an extremely reliable site, with a good track record of being accurate.

    Deny as much as you like, but you'll still be deluded. Its even extremely visble in game that there's less people.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Cite more credible information of gtfo imo.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Cite more credible information of gtfo imo.

    /reporter_voice

    I'm temped to send him an electronic mail, and ask for his sources. I will get to the bottom of this story.

    in other news why am I talking like this in this thread. I don't know why. this is just one of my strange night after a long day of work.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Dryan wrote:
    MMOData.net is an extremely reliable site, with a good track record of being accurate.

    Deny as much as you like, but you'll still be deluded. Its even extremely visble in game that there's less people.


    /reporter_voice

    Dryan First rule about journalism, and the internet. doesn't matter how good your track record is, you still need sources for everything, and that website does not have them. that is why I'm going to shot him an email.

    second rule about journalism. if you work for a tabloid forget the source. hahaha
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    LOL, so funny that some actually think STO still has a decent level of subs.

    There's nothing wrong with being niche. The problem arises when the subscriptions keep on falling. Sadly season 2 isn't going to stop that, because ultimtly it doesn't address any of the issues.

    There may be a chance with Season 3, given the change in managment. The question though, is will it be to late?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Hey the site is showing like 55k subs remaining. That's above the 50k subs needed to maintain STO's profitability right? You should be happy about that at least.

    Ignore the direction.

    :P
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Dryan wrote:
    LOL, so funny that some actually think STO still has a decent level of subs.

    There's nothing wrong with being niche. The problem arises when the subscriptions keep on falling. Sadly season 2 isn't going to stop that, because ultimtly it doesn't address any of the issues.

    There may be a chance with Season 3, given the change in managment. The question though, is will it be to late?

    /reporter_voice

    funny because we were talking about sources, not subs. well there was the post under yours.

    OH MY DRYAN your psychic. More on that at 11.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Help me Obi Wan Kenobi! You're my only hope!

    ....oh wait wrong franchise. Sorry folks! Nothing to see here. Move along.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Dryan wrote:
    LOL, so funny that some actually think STO still has a decent level of subs.

    There's nothing wrong with being niche. The problem arises when the subscriptions keep on falling. Sadly season 2 isn't going to stop that, because ultimtly it doesn't address any of the issues.

    There may be a chance with Season 3, given the change in managment. The question though, is will it be to late?

    It shows STO peaking at 105k subs.

    Pretty sure most datamining of the Captain's Database for statistical analysis puts the peak at over 180k and some estimates have placed that in the low 200s. (The reason why nobody at Cryptic would have said "over 200k" was because it would have been just barely and nobody expected to retain that number.)

    Also? MMOData places City of Heroes at 125k. Which I think is an over-estimate -- but I've also seen Cryptic argue that reports about Champions are under-estimates. And Champs and CoH get similar amounts of web traffic based on what I've seen whereas STO gets more web traffic at its official site.

    I'm just gonna say, I wouldn't worry about the sub numbers. I'd worry about the game and the ways it can be improved.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    http://siteanalytics.compete.com/startrekonline.com+champions-online.com+cityofheroes.com/?metric=uv

    Monthly Unique Web Visitors:

    Star Trek Online: 113,685

    Champions Online: 52,726

    City of Heroes: 88,529

    World of Warcraft: 1,886,258

    Eve Online: 154,724


    Let's assume MMO Data is right about CoH having 125k subs. That means that the game has 45% more players as web visitors.

    Now... With estimates placing the number of AMERICAN WoW subs at a hare under 3 million. That suggests subs are about 60% higher than web traffic.

    They place EvE at 360k subs at MMO Data but the official site only got 154,724 hits last month.

    What I'd guesstimate from this is that MMO subscription numbers are 45-100%+ above the number of unique visitors to their site although most of the ones I look at tend to have around 150% (50% more) total subs as compared to site visitors.

    This would suggest MMO Data isn't far off for City of Heroes. It would also suggest Champions is just under 80k and that STO is around 170k.

    Take Age of Conan. 63,352 web visitors. Multiply by 1.5 and you get 95028 which is a reasonable low end for subscribers although MMO-Data places them in the 110s.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Dryan wrote:
    LOL, so funny that some actually think STO still has a decent level of subs.

    There's nothing wrong with being niche. The problem arises when the subscriptions keep on falling. Sadly season 2 isn't going to stop that, because ultimtly it doesn't address any of the issues.

    There may be a chance with Season 3, given the change in managment. The question though, is will it be to late?

    I have no idea what their subscriber base is like, but I do know that they are putting out post-release content at a higher rate than the other second tier MMOs (basically all the runners up to World of Warcraft). While it certainly helps that they get money from monthly subscriptions and microtransactions, the pace of new content suggest that their subscriber base is at least better than average.
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