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So in the tribble feedback section someone asked for a prototype of a BOP that can fire while cloaked and D-stall said that they are looking at that option and that it will fire torps. This is bad for both sides for 2 reason. 1. A sci kling comes in and takes out your shield then that proto BOP or 4 stays cloaked while firing torps at that unshielded ship....Kaboom. 2. You think FvK PvP is slow wait till this comes out, its gonna be a ghost town. FvF and KvK will be the only PvP options left.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    That someone was about the 2 dozenth person to ask for it. It's an idea that's been floated around for awhile. The thread in Tribble already discusses its pros and cons in depth. This is all kinds of redundant.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Are you sure it wasn't Scramble Targeting Sensors (which makes you invisible)?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I agree with op very bad idea
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Your assuming that such a thing would use extremely powerful torpedoes.
    But if it only uses single shot normal photons as a power then there really is nothing to worry about.

    There are a lot of abilities for you to buff up hull strenght and damage resistance, as well as brace for impact which everyone gets.

    Keep in mind also that this is VA1 we are talking about, where a few photon torpedoes are extremely unlikely to deal any cataclysmic damage.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    That someone was about the 2 dozenth person to ask for it. It's an idea that's been floated around for awhile. The thread in Tribble already discusses its pros and cons in depth. This is all kinds of redundant.

    It has been floated for awhile but D-stall confirmed it yesterday
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    Your assuming that such a thing would use extremely powerful torpedoes.
    But if it only uses single shot normal photons as a power then there really is nothing to worry about.

    There are a lot of abilities for you to buff up hull strenght and damage resistance, as well as brace for impact which everyone gets.

    Keep in mind also that this is VA1 we are talking about, where a few photon torpedoes are extremely unlikely to deal any cataclysmic damage.

    and you are assuming they won't be using extremely powerful torpedoes and high yield torpedo and tricobolt torpedo then it will be a lot of damage :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I am

    Because Cryptic would never be that stupid.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    No matter if you give it to them or not someone will be unhappy and post so on the forums. Personally I say give it to them but disable THY while cloaked, let them have the area affect torpedoes that you can have a chance of dodging.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I'm pretty sure they will make it balanced.:) However, I demand the T5 Movie Constution with red stutter-fire phasers that level with you and the special ability to shoot a torpedo that tracks the nearest cloaked ship.:D:D:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    I am

    Because Cryptic would never be that stupid.

    you sure about that you talking about the same Cryptic that's running this game?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    and you are assuming they won't be using extremely powerful torpedoes and high yield torpedo and tricobolt torpedo then it will be a lot of damage :)

    Tricobalt Torpedo? From a cloaked ship?

    I can't target the ship. But I CAN target the torpedo.

    This is a bad strategy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    Tricobalt Torpedo? From a cloaked ship?

    I can't target the ship. But I CAN target the torpedo.

    This is a bad strategy.

    depends how close they are to you and if you don't see them while you are firing at another ship you won't see it coming if they do it right :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    you sure about that you talking about the same Cryptic that's running this game?

    Your "opinion", not mine.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    Your "opinion", not mine.

    not my opinion I can give you a bunch of dumb stuff cryptic as done :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Pogmahone wrote:
    So in the tribble feedback section someone asked for a prototype of a BOP that can fire while cloaked and D-stall said that they are looking at that option and that it will fire torps. This is bad for both sides for 2 reason. 1. A sci kling comes in and takes out your shield then that proto BOP or 4 stays cloaked while firing torps at that unshielded ship....Kaboom. 2. You think FvK PvP is slow wait till this comes out, its gonna be a ghost town. FvF and KvK will be the only PvP options left.

    But... Its Canon!


    The Klingon Empire did indeed sucessfully develop one prototype BOP that could fire while cloaked. It was destroyed in orbit of Khitomer by the USS Enterprise, NCC 1701-A. The Klingon empire aborted further research into this technology. Some in the high council called this research "dishonourable". However, that has never been a problem for Romulans, and they did perfect a ship that could fire while cloaked, called Scimitar. What is most impressive is that the Scimitar had far more weapons than the prototype BOP. It was a warship. State of the art 24th century sensors onboard the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-E could not penetrate the cloak. The Enterprise was nearly crippled during the fire fight which ensued. The Scimitar did not survive.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    K-Tar wrote:
    I'm pretty sure they will make it balanced.:) However, I demand the T5 Movie Constution with red stutter-fire phasers that level with you and the special ability to shoot a torpedo that tracks the nearest cloaked ship.:D:D:D

    that....would AWSOMESAUCE!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Godsrage wrote: »
    But... Its Canon!


    The Klingon Empire did indeed sucessfully develop one prototype BOP that could fire while cloaked. It was destroyed in orbit of Khitomer by the USS Enterprise, NCC 1701-A. The Klingon empire aborted further research into this technology. Some in the high council called this research "dishonourable". However, that has never been a problem for Romulans, and they did perfect a ship that could fire while cloaked, called Scimitar. What is most impressive is that the Scimitar had far more weapons than the prototype BOP. It was a warship. State of the art 24th century sensors onboard the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-E could not penetrate the cloak. The Enterprise was nearly crippled during the fire fight which ensued. The Scimitar did not survive.




    It's canon? Really? THat is your argument? Please, I could bring up a lot of stuff that is "Canon" and if put into the game would make most people leave. Like the fact that, canonically speaking, Klingons Starships are WAY more powerful then feds ships, and a whole heck of a lot more powerful then they appear in game. So if you want canon so bad, why not make a plea for vastly outmatched feds too? Or the facts the Galaxy-X is from and alternate reality that never existed in this reality. Or maybe that the Organians should never have aloud the Feds and Klings to go to war. You cant put somthing in a video game just because it's "Canon". It sucks all the fun out of it. I am not saying tear all of ST canon appart, just a bit of room to expand.


    Also it would give the Klingons a huge advantage, I do not think it is a good idea and I hope they never do it. ANd I am speaking as a klingon player.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    All it could do was fire torps. That's not unreasonable (or that useful). ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    As a BoP captain, I say "No, no and NO!" to this idea... It's just another one of those "But it happened in the movies or <name your episode here>!" BS ideas that people keep whining for.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    For me iam happy to finally see a new klingon ship if you want to call it a new, just a BOP with the ability to shoot only TORPS while cloaked. I say yes to this idea.. and it dosnt surprise me that some fed people are crying over this, but hey its ok to have the defiant and galaxy x with cloaks right. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I fly a BOP for our kling fleet and I think is a bad idea
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    castmodean wrote: »
    No matter if you give it to them or not someone will be unhappy and post so on the forums. Personally I say give it to them but disable THY while cloaked, let them have the area affect torpedoes that you can have a chance of dodging.

    I hope they won't allow them to use any torpedo skills while cloaked.
    And when I think about it I hope the skill to use torpedoes wile cloaked will independent of the torpedoes you put on your ship.
    What I imagine would be possible without making it overpowered would be something like this:
    T5 BoP:
    Special function:
    Ninja Photon Torpedo
    Can be fired while the ship is cloaked
    Damage values of a Mk XI Photon Torpedo
    Can be used once every 15 seconds
    Is on a shared cooldown with torpedo skills

    The only thing this would not alleviate is the problem of those people who are claoked 99.9% of the game.
    The 0.01% of the time they are not is the time it takes them to realize that they are on the same map as the enemy and to reach for the cloak button.
    Instead the problem would get even worse.
    With this new ship they'd have even less reason to decloak.
    And this new ship might attract even more people who enter a match and think "HMM, I could decloak now and help my team win the match...but I'm too pretty to do that."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Even with all torpedo skills allowed, it will probably not be OP. Torpedoes are only really effective when your shields are down. Even possibly buffed transphasic torpedoes will not really change that.

    So, it boils down to the idea that the BoP is strongest when your shields are down and he can ifnish you off suprisingly out of cloak. But... He can do that already now, he just has to uncloak. The surprise factor is the same. And with the length of torpedo cooldowns, it doesn't really matter if he could fire a second torpedo uncloaked after that - you probably couldn't kill the BoP in that short window of time, and if you can't raise your defenses or run away in that time, you're dead no matter what.

    My real concern is not that the power is OP, but that it will be purely cosmetic and offer no noteworthy tactical advantage.

    Actually, the only scenario it might be problematic is PvE. Enemy ships fail at cloak detection and don't heal very fast. Maybe they could be killed by repeated barrages of photon torpedoes. It won't be fun, though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Martok42 wrote: »
    Like the fact that, canonically speaking, Klingons Starships are WAY more powerful then feds ships, and a whole heck of a lot more powerful then they appear in game.

    Well, not in Way of the Warrior. After DS9 popped klingon ships like popcorn, the klingons actually stopped their attack when 6 (SIX) fed ships arrived. If klingon ships were that powerful, why do they have to ambush unsuspecting targets using their cloaks, hm ? :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Just a thought :)
    Might be nice that firing auto stops the cloak?
    I would like that :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I agree that firing while cloaked will probably be a special ability like the Galaxy X cannons.

    Another thought is to have the cloak itself be special. So you can fire while cloaked but it drains all systems, forcing you to pop batteries and/or cloak has a chance to fail, leaving you exposed with no shields for a few seconds.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I agree that firing while cloaked will probably be a special ability like the Galaxy X cannons.

    Another thought is to have the cloak itself be special. So you can fire while cloaked but it drains all systems, forcing you to pop batteries and/or cloak has a chance to fail, leaving you exposed with no shields for a few seconds.

    I like this idea.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    i would guess they would do a way to make people find the ship. maybe it becomes visible for a second, and with the cloak on its shields are down so it can take more damage if people can target it qucikly
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    could also have it so when you do fire the torp, a targetting square pops up briefly (few seconds) making your ship exposed without shields.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I have no problem with a BOP that fires while cloaked.

    As long as Cannon Scatter fire, Fire at will and Torpedo spread can be fired blindly.

    What folks should be more concerned about is Romulan players asking for the Scimitar version.
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