I joined STO because I believed that it would at least be written by people who understood Star Trek as I do. However I am becoming increasingly dissapointed in how STO is treating canon. Cryptic seem to be more interested in maintaining glitches and game mechanics then actually working on what this game is about. Star Trek Online is STAR TREK not Cyptic's own personal history of Star Trek when it suits them for them to come up with rediculous ideas like Kira Nerys actually being Kai of Bajor and the Klingons being at war with the Federation. I have a RA Federation character and I played in the hope that things might get better further in but I see now that this is just Cryptic's way of selling out a franchise to make money.
Now I hear that they are planning to have half-assimilated Undine (which for your information is a made up name and not the actual "true" designation for the species which is "Species 8472") which is not only impossible but also completely rediculous. What's next, the Borg hold a cocktail party in the B'Tran cluster.
There are loads of points in this game that have fustrated me where Cyptic have disregarded canon on the basis of fan service and actually turned this game into a joke. For example, the "Galaxy X" which is NOT a real ship. What's next a Wells Class Timeship from the 29th Century? Or maybe a Tardis complete with your own Doctor.
I believe that game developers do not really give a damn about subject matter or the appealing to myself and other hardcore Star Trek fans. They are only interested in how much money they can make. It is a travesty.
The Borg adapt. That's why they're Borg. They couldn't assimilate the 8472 in 2375, but guess what? Now it's 2409. They adapt. That is what they do.
And if you read the backstory there is every good and internally consistent reason for the Klingons and the Federation to be fighting.
There are a lot of reasons to criticize the game, but by and large they've done a good job with the writing.
Yes, everyone uses that excuse... "its in the future so its ok to do absolutely absurd things" well I'm sorry but its a leap of faith that I just cannot make. This is not Star Trek, this is Cyptic Trek.
Oh and by the way, according to the "Prime Universe" (e.g. the correct one) the Hobus Supernova never happened that the Romulan Empire is still where it used to be. This comes from the corruption of J.J.Abrams who really needs to be shot.
Yes, everyone uses that excuses... its in the future well I'm sorry but its a leap of faith that I just cannot make. This is not Star Trek, this is Cyptic Trek.
The STO timeline follows the novels pretty well. That's soft canon. The game is soft canon. The game follows the storyline being put out by the pocket books people rather closely. It is Star Trek.
And since the movies ... aka HARD canon ... has abandoned the "prime" timeline, soft canon is all that's left for telling stories that move forward.
If you don't like it feel free to write your own stories?
"written by people who understood Star Trek as I do. "
The only way for people to understand Star Trek as you do, is for you to write your own Trek stories.
Cryptic seem to be more interested in maintaining glitches and game mechanics then actually working on what this game is about.
Making money? Cryptic is, after all, a business first.
Star Trek Online is STAR TREK not Cyptic's own personal history of Star Trek when it suits them for them to come up with rediculous ideas like Kira Nerys actually being Kai of Bajor
""That's the thing about faith... if you don't have it, you can't understand it and if you do, no explanation is necessary."
That's a quite religious quote, agreed? It was made BY Kira Nerys in season four. She was a quite religious character, so it isn't exactly a stretch to believe she'd want to help guide her people in a spiritual manner.
and the Klingons being at war with the Federation.
Please watch The Original Series and come back to this discussion.
Now I hear that they are planning to have half-assimilated Undine (which for your information is a made up name and not the actual "true" designation for the species which is "Species 8472")
Species 8472 is the Borg designation. Whilst I'm not saying the Undine call themselves the Undine, they probably don't call themselves Species 8472, either.
There are loads of points in this game that have fustrated me where Cyptic have disregarded canon on the basis of fan service and actually turned this game into a joke. For example, the "Galaxy X" which is NOT a real ship.
If it wasn't a real ship, how did it affect events in "All Good Things..."? Or did the episode and the threat end when Riker couldn't come and help out?
What's next a Wells Class Timeship from the 29th Century?
Sure. It's been on screen, it's canon, and it's not like Star Trek's never done time travel...
Making money? Cryptic is, after all, a business first.
""That's the thing about faith... if you don't have it, you can't understand it and if you do, no explanation is necessary."
That's a quite religious quote, agreed? It was made BY Kira Nerys in season four. She was a quite religious character, so it isn't exactly a stretch to believe she'd want to help guide her people in a spiritual manner.
Please watch The Original Series and come back to this discussion.
Species 8472 is the Borg designation. Whilst I'm not saying the Undine call themselves the Undine, they probably don't call themselves Species 8472, either.
If it wasn't a real ship, how did it affect events in "All Good Things..."? Or did the episode and the threat end when Riker couldn't come and help out?
Sure. It's been on screen, it's canon, and it's not like Star Trek's never done time travel...
Ok, lets recap.
First off, Kira Nerys is a soldier and not a religous leader, you just have to know her profile to know that. I feel it would seem really difficult to believe she would accept Kai. First Minister maybe but not Kai.
Secondly, ships from alternate timelines, realities, historys... whatever should not appear in this game because they are simply not from the universe STO claims to be in.
Thirdly, the Federation has moved on a lot since the Original Series so that just is not a valid arguement.
I joined STO because I believed that it would at least be written by people who understood Star Trek as I do. However I am becoming increasingly dissapointed in how STO is treating canon. Cryptic seem to be more interested in maintaining glitches and game mechanics then actually working on what this game is about. Star Trek Online is STAR TREK not Cyptic's own personal history of Star Trek when it suits them for them to come up with rediculous ideas like Kira Nerys actually being Kai of Bajor and the Klingons being at war with the Federation. I have a RA Federation character and I played in the hope that things might get better further in but I see now that this is just Cryptic's way of selling out a franchise to make money.
Now I hear that they are planning to have half-assimilated Undine (which for your information is a made up name and not the actual "true" designation for the species which is "Species 8472") which is not only impossible but also completely rediculous. What's next, the Borg hold a cocktail party in the B'Tran cluster.
There are loads of points in this game that have fustrated me where Cyptic have disregarded canon on the basis of fan service and actually turned this game into a joke. For example, the "Galaxy X" which is NOT a real ship. What's next a Wells Class Timeship from the 29th Century? Or maybe a Tardis complete with your own Doctor.
I believe that game developers do not really give a damn about subject matter or the appealing to myself and other hardcore Star Trek fans. They are only interested in how much money they can make. It is a travesty.
This has probably been said already, but just as a heads up, Cryptic doesn't decide the canon in the game. CBS does. You know who owns the Star Trek canon now? CBS. Not paramount, CBS. That's right, CBS. Columbia Broadcasting Service. As Walter Cronkite and David Letterman. That CBS. Yes, that one. You know the one. The one with the eye for a logo. Yes, them. They're the ones who have the say as to whether or not something Cryptic wants to do is allowed to be in the game, based on canon. And guess what. CBS considers the game to be canon.
I don't like it any more than you do, but we either have to get used to it or boycott anything past the cancellation of Enterprise.
I wouldn't mind my own TARDIS, could come in handy
/sarcasm off
OP; there is plenty of debate over content and whether it's content contradicts canon and everybody has a different opinion. Personally I can look the other way for the occasional clash against the prime time line's events and Trek canon if STO maintains a believable atmosphere of Star Trek. unfortunately the game has quickly taken on the feel of a mirror universe Voyager stuck in that anomaly that twisted the ship (Epsiode: Twisted).
We consider STO to be "Soft Canon". We do go through an approval process with CBS, however, the story we are choosing to tell does not necessarily have an affect on anything outside of this game.
We strive to provide you all with the best Trek Experience possible, and we feel that in order to do that, it makes the most sense to be soft canon. This allows us a greater degree of flexibility in our story telling, and allows you to experience things which could not be if we were to adhere strictly to canon.
This doesn't mean that we don't try our hardest to adhere to the canon provided by the films, television shows, and comics, which are considered canon. However, as the story unfolds in other mediums, the story we are telling may, or may not, have any sway over things to come.
I wouldn't mind my own TARDIS, could come in handy
/sarcasm off
OP; there is plenty of debate over content and whether it's content contradicts canon and everybody has a different opinion. Personally I can look the other way for the occasional clash against the prime time line's events and Trek canon if STO maintains a believable atmosphere of Star Trek. unfortunately the game has quickly taken on the feel of a mirror universe Voyager stuck in that anomaly that twisted the ship (Epsiode: Twisted).
I could not agree, the game just does not feel like it is Star Trek. It has the looks and the ships but not the soul. Too much pew pew and insignificant conflicts between the stronger Federation and the weaker Klingons. I already explained the strength of the two galactic powers in another topic and why the Federation could easily finish them. Why don't they? Because they are the Federation and they want to find a peaceful solution, not blow each other up.
there are so many issues about the game its hard to list them.
Ships, content, PVP, PVE, social..ect....
Its sad to see my favorite sci fi series go down the tubes because they can't listen to the consumers / fans..
I think the game days are numbered if they don't do something outstanding and do it fast.
SWTOR said their going to have space combat as well as everything else their doing.
If I was cryptic I would be worried about losing the rest of their player base.
First off, Kira Nerys is a soldier and not a religous leader, you just have to know her profile to know that. I feel it would seem really difficult to believe she would accept Kai. First Minister maybe but not Kai.
Good point. I fully accept that people in the military can't be religious, and submit to your superior knowledge that a soldier is only someone who kills and protects, and can't ever want a more peaceful life.
Secondly, ships from alternate timelines, realities, historys... whatever should not appear in this game because they are simply not from the universe STO claims to be in.
Okay. Well, let's scratch the Mirror Universe storyline, then. Get rid of the costumes, too, I don't want that "not real" Trek in my game.
Thirdly, the Federation has moved on a lot since the Original Series so that just is not a valid arguement.
Yes, and the Klingons are no longer war-like, no longer hate Romulans and would never encroach on anothers territory. Hell, the last season of Deep Space Nine was all about how fluffy and friendly the Klingons were.
Since none of the series' kept the same tone to each other, how can you expect the game to? I'd also point out that it's set in the future, and that much of the progress that the federation may have made towards an 'utopia' was wrecked by the dominion war. (If it was an utopia at all, but that depends on if you share Roddenbury's values or not. I personally don't)
I've said it before.
This game is actually star raiders....
It would have been beter for it to be a Gundamn game, Sailor moon, Gi Joe....
Nothing to write home about and definitely extra soft.
Cryptic why don't you sell this things rights? I bet you will make more money.
I want to know one thing this never ending war...
who is winning?
Not the player base.
Since none of the series' kept the same tone to each other, how can you expect the game to? I'd also point out that it's set in the future, and that any progress that the federation may have made towards an utopia was wrecked by the dominion war. (If it was an utopia at all, but that depends on if you share Roddenbury's values or not. I personally don't)
Well that is the point because that is what Star Trek is about, Roddenberry's values of peace and how humans can be united in peace with other races in the galaxy. But STO is an afront to that vision.
First off, Kira Nerys is a soldier and not a religous leader, you just have to know her profile to know that. I feel it would seem really difficult to believe she would accept Kai. First Minister maybe but not Kai.
That's just the way you would handle the character. Other writers would handle her differently. It's very possible that someone could write a Kira centric novel explaining how later in her life, her experiences with the orbs and the prophets and Sisko led to a massive change in her lifestyle and her goals, and she put her warrior past behind her.
Or maybe Odo's leaving finally did it for her. All that time and love wasted, she finally found a different path.
Character development, it's what writers do.
Thirdly, the Federation has moved on a lot since the Original Series so that just is not a valid arguement.
They wrote a story for why there is war with the KDF. That's the story the war is based on. Because both the Federation and the Klingon Empire have moved on a lot since Nemesis. So your assertion that the two organizations wouldn't go back to hostilities isn't a very strong assertion. They already told that story. And we get to sort of experience it in the game.
If you don't buy into the story the game is about, you need to not play the game. This is like trying to play a Spider-Man game but being upset it's not about Ben Reiley the Scarlet Spider.
Well in regards to the Romulan argument, anything could happen... i.e. if they develop the proper time travel equipment using Borg technology, they might be able to reverse the supernova from ever happening. And where is your source for this in the Prime Universe, since last time I checked ST:ENT killed the entire series, which is why they brought in Abrams to try to "reboot" the series. However, with no new corresponding show this is pretty pointless. Overall, I thought the movie was good, but mostly because Spock was in it.
Well that is the point because that is what Star Trek is about, Roddenberry's values of peace and how humans can be united in peace with other races in the galaxy.
The shows strayed from that quite distinctly with DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. As did Star Trek VI (notably since Roddenberry himself opposed it vocally), Generations, First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis.
Oddly enough Bruce Greenwood's speech in the bar in the JJ-Trek is the first time they've really openly embraced the Roddenberry vision, obviously with a modern twist to it.
Another topic that brings to mind the Futurama episode: Where No Fan Has Gone Before. Gene's universe was not a utopia. At all... Heck Multiple times throughout the different series there were wars, big wars. If this game is a affront, then what about DS9? Is that series an affront as well? What about The Original Series, were it not for the Organians the Klingons would have been brawling it out much earlier with the Federation.
The Romulans fought on multiple ocasions with both the Klingons and the Federation. There were many other small wars, wars involving Cardassians, which lead to a treaty that involved removing a Federation Colony (Colonized by native americans no less) from a contested world. There was the contant cold wars, and the invasion of the Borg, the large scale Dominion War. You have to be wearing blinders to think that Star Trek was all about a Utopia in space.
I'm not the biggest Trek Fan but I think some of the STO writing seems really nicely in keeping with Star Trek. The Past Imperfect set of missions comes to mind there, making good use of TOS and Voyager. The coming diplomacy missions look to be nicely in keeping with the Federation too. I also like the Undine name Cryptic gave Species 8472, as Species 8472 is the Borg name for them and hardly rolls off the tongue. Undine also has a nice mythology link (water spirits/nymphs) that seems to suit them.
I am. But I think a lot of interesting story potential exists when you put the Roddenberry vision up against more human nature type of traps and shortcomings.
It's why I liked Pike's speech to newbie Kirk in the JJ-Trek. Pike captured exactly what Starfleet is ... a peacekeeping armada ... but newbie Kirk didn't see it that way, and was cynical.
The Roddenberry Vision can still be an effective writing tool. But like most things it needs to be flexible. So writers can write. It can't be static.
I see this a lot in comic book writing. And serialization. Fans tend to enjoy the status quo. But for writers to make their mark on a series or to do something interesting so that they have the inspiration to write, they have to mess with the status quo. Some can do this very well. Chris Claremont's long run on the X-Men was able to continually have the team in a state of trying to get back TO the status quo, but always being in flux. Something dramatic was always happening to someone. Jean dies. Cyclops leaves. Angel returns. Wolverine gets married. Then that falls apart. Rogue leaves the bad team and pleas to Xavier for help. And so on and so on. It's like a soap opera, but it worked.
Star Trek still has tons of potential. And Roddenberry's vision still fits into the franchise very well. But just like the shows, the real grist that moves star trek along is the character development. The people. The show is about people and always will be.
Oh, Roddenbury's ideal is fine. Well for the most part, I'm hardly going to agree with the secular humanist parts when I'm religeous, but the rest is all laudable stuff.
The problem is when they tried to portray the federation as having reached that point. I don't think we, as humans, are able to understand what living like that could be like, so it doesn't come off right when we tried to show it. I think though that some of the best Trek episodes have come from when the starfleet ideal collides with reality and they have to try and find the best compromise.
I also think that the spirit of trek is in STO, broadly, just as it was in DS9.
Thirdly, the Federation has moved on a lot since the Original Series so that just is not a valid arguement.
Fine, you want a Klingon/Federation War in 'recent' cannon - go rewatch Deep Space Nine seasons 4 and 5. Anf for TNG 'Klingon War' history, the second season TNG episode TheEmissary.
Here's some dialogfrom the above mentioned TNG episode:
Kheylar: "The ship was sent on a secrect mission by the Higgh Command 70 years ago."
Riker: When the Federation and the Klingon Empire were still at war.
Also, if you look at the Major Kira character's development throughout DS9; it's hardly a stretch to say she would become Kai, at all.
So, instead of coming in here and critizing Cryptic's usre and interpetation of Star Trek canon; perhaps you need to do a bit oof brushing up on it yourself.
I also think that the spirit of trek is in STO, broadly, just as it was in DS9.
I remember those first two seasons of DS9. It has flashes of potential. The actors were great. But the material just didn't have a lot of drama for me. The idea of "exploring" the gamma quadrant was kind of OK, but it just seemed to miss. Then the show slowly built itself into a fascinating mix of everything interesting about Star Trek.
It's a fun show to watch reruns of that's for sure.
I mean ... the first time the Buck Bokai baseball was mentioned it was kinda clever. But then when Wayoun shows it to Dukat and Dukat has chills because it's a message from Sisko directly to them ... that's what I'm talking about. That show grew and grew well.
The first episodes I ever saw were 'Far Beyond the Stars', and 'Take Me Out to the Holosuite'. Now that's a way to enter the series. I think Far Beyond the Stars is my favourite episode, still, just because of how sad the story was. It's the sort of story you'd never get on TNG, although TNG from Series 3 onwards was great.
Now I hear that they are planning to have half-assimilated Undine (which for your information is a made up name and not the actual "true" designation for the species which is "Species 8472") which is not only impossible but also completely rediculous. What's next, the Borg hold a cocktail party in the B'Tran cluster.
There are loads of points in this game that have fustrated me where Cyptic have disregarded canon on the basis of fan service and actually turned this game into a joke. For example, the "Galaxy X" which is NOT a real ship. What's next a Wells Class Timeship from the 29th Century? Or maybe a Tardis complete with your own Doctor.
i love it so much when people use the words like impossible to describe stuff that happen in game. its a science fiction game based on a science fiction show. they can do just about anything. thats how they did it in the shows, they thought of a cool idea then just made something up to explain it.
why do you assume that because something could not be done once, that it means it cant be done ever?
yes the borg were not able to assimilate species 8472 in the past, it does not mean its impossible. they never once said its impossible fr the borg to assimilate them, simply that the nano probes were being destroyed by the immune system. something the doctor managed to solve in a few days.
because it could not be done in voyager does not make it impossible. thats not how canon works.
the galaxy x was shown in an alternate timeline, it does not mean that it can not exist in the real timeline
Yes, everyone uses that excuse... "its in the future so its ok to do absolutely absurd things" well I'm sorry but its a leap of faith that I just cannot make. This is not Star Trek, this is Cyptic Trek.
Oh and by the way, according to the "Prime Universe" (e.g. the correct one) the Hobus Supernova never happened that the Romulan Empire is still where it used to be. This comes from the corruption of J.J.Abrams who really needs to be shot.
this is 100% incorrect, the hobus supernova did happen in the prime timeline, when spock and nero went back in time after, that is what created the alternate timeline.
if it makes you feel any better this game is not canon, its soft canon, so you are free to ignore any of it.
Please watch The Original Series and come back to this discussion.
Maybe you should do the same. Here, I'll even tell you which episodes featured Klingons:
Errand of Mercy (first appearance!)
Friday's Child
The Trouble with Tribbles
A Private Little War (Mugato!)
Elaan of Troyius
Day of the Dove
The Federation and the Klingons came close to war in Errand of Mercy, and they'd have gotten away with it too, if not for those meddling Organians. After that, things cooled off considerably, never mind a few potshots taken here and there. So. You were saying?
The first episodes I ever saw were 'Far Beyond the Stars', and 'Take Me Out to the Holosuite'. Now that's a way to enter the series. I think Far Beyond the Stars is my favourite episode, still, just because of how sad the story was. It's the sort of story you'd never get on TNG, although TNG from Series 3 onwards was great.
Wow. Yeah, those are some nice episodes to get introduced to the series.
And yeah, even though some of the season 1 and 2 episodes I still to this day totally dig (Samaritan Snare is one of my favorite star trek episodes ever) ... TNG really hit its stride past season 3.
this game is not canon, its soft canon, so you are free to ignore any of it.
Exactly! It's kind of what I was getting at in my first post in this thread. To write your own backstory. Take what you like, forget the rest and play the game that way. I'm writing my own backstory. I'm actually fitting it quite nicely into the game and the new diplomacy system is going to help me do a lot more with this. But if there's some story-breaking element that comes along, I'll just write it out of my gameplay logs.
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The Borg adapt. That's why they're Borg. They couldn't assimilate the 8472 in 2375, but guess what? Now it's 2409. They adapt. That is what they do.
And if you read the backstory there is every good and internally consistent reason for the Klingons and the Federation to be fighting.
There are a lot of reasons to criticize the game, but by and large they've done a good job with the writing.
Yes, everyone uses that excuse... "its in the future so its ok to do absolutely absurd things" well I'm sorry but its a leap of faith that I just cannot make. This is not Star Trek, this is Cyptic Trek.
Oh and by the way, according to the "Prime Universe" (e.g. the correct one) the Hobus Supernova never happened that the Romulan Empire is still where it used to be. This comes from the corruption of J.J.Abrams who really needs to be shot.
The STO timeline follows the novels pretty well. That's soft canon. The game is soft canon. The game follows the storyline being put out by the pocket books people rather closely. It is Star Trek.
And since the movies ... aka HARD canon ... has abandoned the "prime" timeline, soft canon is all that's left for telling stories that move forward.
If you don't like it feel free to write your own stories?
"written by people who understood Star Trek as I do. "
The only way for people to understand Star Trek as you do, is for you to write your own Trek stories.
Making money? Cryptic is, after all, a business first.
""That's the thing about faith... if you don't have it, you can't understand it and if you do, no explanation is necessary."
That's a quite religious quote, agreed? It was made BY Kira Nerys in season four. She was a quite religious character, so it isn't exactly a stretch to believe she'd want to help guide her people in a spiritual manner.
Please watch The Original Series and come back to this discussion.
Species 8472 is the Borg designation. Whilst I'm not saying the Undine call themselves the Undine, they probably don't call themselves Species 8472, either.
If it wasn't a real ship, how did it affect events in "All Good Things..."? Or did the episode and the threat end when Riker couldn't come and help out?
Sure. It's been on screen, it's canon, and it's not like Star Trek's never done time travel...
Ok, lets recap.
First off, Kira Nerys is a soldier and not a religous leader, you just have to know her profile to know that. I feel it would seem really difficult to believe she would accept Kai. First Minister maybe but not Kai.
Secondly, ships from alternate timelines, realities, historys... whatever should not appear in this game because they are simply not from the universe STO claims to be in.
Thirdly, the Federation has moved on a lot since the Original Series so that just is not a valid arguement.
This has probably been said already, but just as a heads up, Cryptic doesn't decide the canon in the game. CBS does. You know who owns the Star Trek canon now? CBS. Not paramount, CBS. That's right, CBS. Columbia Broadcasting Service. As Walter Cronkite and David Letterman. That CBS. Yes, that one. You know the one. The one with the eye for a logo. Yes, them. They're the ones who have the say as to whether or not something Cryptic wants to do is allowed to be in the game, based on canon. And guess what. CBS considers the game to be canon.
I don't like it any more than you do, but we either have to get used to it or boycott anything past the cancellation of Enterprise.
/sarcasm off
OP; there is plenty of debate over content and whether it's content contradicts canon and everybody has a different opinion. Personally I can look the other way for the occasional clash against the prime time line's events and Trek canon if STO maintains a believable atmosphere of Star Trek. unfortunately the game has quickly taken on the feel of a mirror universe Voyager stuck in that anomaly that twisted the ship (Epsiode: Twisted).
I could not agree, the game just does not feel like it is Star Trek. It has the looks and the ships but not the soul. Too much pew pew and insignificant conflicts between the stronger Federation and the weaker Klingons. I already explained the strength of the two galactic powers in another topic and why the Federation could easily finish them. Why don't they? Because they are the Federation and they want to find a peaceful solution, not blow each other up.
Ships, content, PVP, PVE, social..ect....
Its sad to see my favorite sci fi series go down the tubes because they can't listen to the consumers / fans..
I think the game days are numbered if they don't do something outstanding and do it fast.
SWTOR said their going to have space combat as well as everything else their doing.
If I was cryptic I would be worried about losing the rest of their player base.
Good point. I fully accept that people in the military can't be religious, and submit to your superior knowledge that a soldier is only someone who kills and protects, and can't ever want a more peaceful life.
Okay. Well, let's scratch the Mirror Universe storyline, then. Get rid of the costumes, too, I don't want that "not real" Trek in my game.
Yes, and the Klingons are no longer war-like, no longer hate Romulans and would never encroach on anothers territory. Hell, the last season of Deep Space Nine was all about how fluffy and friendly the Klingons were.
This game is actually star raiders....
It would have been beter for it to be a Gundamn game, Sailor moon, Gi Joe....
Nothing to write home about and definitely extra soft.
Cryptic why don't you sell this things rights? I bet you will make more money.
I want to know one thing this never ending war...
who is winning?
Not the player base.
Well that is the point because that is what Star Trek is about, Roddenberry's values of peace and how humans can be united in peace with other races in the galaxy. But STO is an afront to that vision.
That's just the way you would handle the character. Other writers would handle her differently. It's very possible that someone could write a Kira centric novel explaining how later in her life, her experiences with the orbs and the prophets and Sisko led to a massive change in her lifestyle and her goals, and she put her warrior past behind her.
Or maybe Odo's leaving finally did it for her. All that time and love wasted, she finally found a different path.
Character development, it's what writers do.
They wrote a story for why there is war with the KDF. That's the story the war is based on. Because both the Federation and the Klingon Empire have moved on a lot since Nemesis. So your assertion that the two organizations wouldn't go back to hostilities isn't a very strong assertion. They already told that story. And we get to sort of experience it in the game.
If you don't buy into the story the game is about, you need to not play the game. This is like trying to play a Spider-Man game but being upset it's not about Ben Reiley the Scarlet Spider.
The shows strayed from that quite distinctly with DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. As did Star Trek VI (notably since Roddenberry himself opposed it vocally), Generations, First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis.
Oddly enough Bruce Greenwood's speech in the bar in the JJ-Trek is the first time they've really openly embraced the Roddenberry vision, obviously with a modern twist to it.
Yes, I'm not a roddenbury fan by any means. :P
The Romulans fought on multiple ocasions with both the Klingons and the Federation. There were many other small wars, wars involving Cardassians, which lead to a treaty that involved removing a Federation Colony (Colonized by native americans no less) from a contested world. There was the contant cold wars, and the invasion of the Borg, the large scale Dominion War. You have to be wearing blinders to think that Star Trek was all about a Utopia in space.
I am. But I think a lot of interesting story potential exists when you put the Roddenberry vision up against more human nature type of traps and shortcomings.
It's why I liked Pike's speech to newbie Kirk in the JJ-Trek. Pike captured exactly what Starfleet is ... a peacekeeping armada ... but newbie Kirk didn't see it that way, and was cynical.
The Roddenberry Vision can still be an effective writing tool. But like most things it needs to be flexible. So writers can write. It can't be static.
I see this a lot in comic book writing. And serialization. Fans tend to enjoy the status quo. But for writers to make their mark on a series or to do something interesting so that they have the inspiration to write, they have to mess with the status quo. Some can do this very well. Chris Claremont's long run on the X-Men was able to continually have the team in a state of trying to get back TO the status quo, but always being in flux. Something dramatic was always happening to someone. Jean dies. Cyclops leaves. Angel returns. Wolverine gets married. Then that falls apart. Rogue leaves the bad team and pleas to Xavier for help. And so on and so on. It's like a soap opera, but it worked.
Star Trek still has tons of potential. And Roddenberry's vision still fits into the franchise very well. But just like the shows, the real grist that moves star trek along is the character development. The people. The show is about people and always will be.
The problem is when they tried to portray the federation as having reached that point. I don't think we, as humans, are able to understand what living like that could be like, so it doesn't come off right when we tried to show it. I think though that some of the best Trek episodes have come from when the starfleet ideal collides with reality and they have to try and find the best compromise.
I also think that the spirit of trek is in STO, broadly, just as it was in DS9.
Fine, you want a Klingon/Federation War in 'recent' cannon - go rewatch Deep Space Nine seasons 4 and 5. Anf for TNG 'Klingon War' history, the second season TNG episode TheEmissary.
Here's some dialogfrom the above mentioned TNG episode:
Kheylar: "The ship was sent on a secrect mission by the Higgh Command 70 years ago."
Riker: When the Federation and the Klingon Empire were still at war.
Also, if you look at the Major Kira character's development throughout DS9; it's hardly a stretch to say she would become Kai, at all.
So, instead of coming in here and critizing Cryptic's usre and interpetation of Star Trek canon; perhaps you need to do a bit oof brushing up on it yourself.
I remember those first two seasons of DS9. It has flashes of potential. The actors were great. But the material just didn't have a lot of drama for me. The idea of "exploring" the gamma quadrant was kind of OK, but it just seemed to miss. Then the show slowly built itself into a fascinating mix of everything interesting about Star Trek.
It's a fun show to watch reruns of that's for sure.
I mean ... the first time the Buck Bokai baseball was mentioned it was kinda clever. But then when Wayoun shows it to Dukat and Dukat has chills because it's a message from Sisko directly to them ... that's what I'm talking about. That show grew and grew well.
i love it so much when people use the words like impossible to describe stuff that happen in game. its a science fiction game based on a science fiction show. they can do just about anything. thats how they did it in the shows, they thought of a cool idea then just made something up to explain it.
why do you assume that because something could not be done once, that it means it cant be done ever?
yes the borg were not able to assimilate species 8472 in the past, it does not mean its impossible. they never once said its impossible fr the borg to assimilate them, simply that the nano probes were being destroyed by the immune system. something the doctor managed to solve in a few days.
because it could not be done in voyager does not make it impossible. thats not how canon works.
the galaxy x was shown in an alternate timeline, it does not mean that it can not exist in the real timeline
this is 100% incorrect, the hobus supernova did happen in the prime timeline, when spock and nero went back in time after, that is what created the alternate timeline.
if it makes you feel any better this game is not canon, its soft canon, so you are free to ignore any of it.
Maybe you should do the same. Here, I'll even tell you which episodes featured Klingons:
Errand of Mercy (first appearance!)
Friday's Child
The Trouble with Tribbles
A Private Little War (Mugato!)
Elaan of Troyius
Day of the Dove
The Federation and the Klingons came close to war in Errand of Mercy, and they'd have gotten away with it too, if not for those meddling Organians. After that, things cooled off considerably, never mind a few potshots taken here and there. So. You were saying?
Wow. Yeah, those are some nice episodes to get introduced to the series.
And yeah, even though some of the season 1 and 2 episodes I still to this day totally dig (Samaritan Snare is one of my favorite star trek episodes ever) ... TNG really hit its stride past season 3.
Exactly! It's kind of what I was getting at in my first post in this thread. To write your own backstory. Take what you like, forget the rest and play the game that way. I'm writing my own backstory. I'm actually fitting it quite nicely into the game and the new diplomacy system is going to help me do a lot more with this. But if there's some story-breaking element that comes along, I'll just write it out of my gameplay logs.