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An idea on ship varients more then cosmetic.

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
I was curious what people thought about ship varients differing interms of weapon slots and capablities opposed to just apperance an example of what I mean in simiplified form and yes i'm takeing liberties here is this as example we have a light cruiser DER - Destroyer Escort from SFC 2 its essentially the same tier and essentially the same ship cosmetically as this ship

DER - Destroyer Escort
http://www.sfc2.net/fedshipdetail.asp?Type=LightCruiser&ShipID=32

DD - Destroyer

http://www.sfc2.net/fedshipdetail.asp?Type=LightCruiser&ShipID=35


Notice while both ships are of the same class there consols and weapons load is quite different. I was wondering what people thought of adding somthing like this in terms of sto ship varients for example the Differerece between ships like the Costitution class refit the Vesper and Excalibur as am example. while still allowing customization of weapons ect.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    no Die never gonna happen back when STGO was still being devloped they said all the c store would have is cosmetic an races no ship variant cause it would make it unbalanced an all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I like the idea of Ship parts having there own stats. We need some of those designs in game to might i add. The FDD, FF, FCV and the FBB would be awsome additions
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Min/maxers would set the flavor of the month and everyone would have the same ship.

    I like it as is, aesthetic only. That frees the players to be creative without gimping them in any way.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sorry, i didn't understand a word of what you said. Not patronizing here but.. care to use some commas?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yeah.... I think the majority of people here want only cosmetic items from the C-Store. Not shooting down this idea completely, but not supporting it either.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Larrius wrote: »
    no Die never gonna happen back when STGO was still being devloped they said all the c store would have is cosmetic an races no ship variant cause it would make it unbalanced an all.


    then after saying that they added gal x
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Larrius wrote: »
    no Die never gonna happen back when STGO was still being devloped they said all the c store would have is cosmetic an races no ship variant cause it would make it unbalanced an all.

    Galaxy-X blows that away

    Up-coming nebula and Excelsior on the C-Store also blows that away.

    Result: Cryptic are complete liars when they claim only cosmetic options will go on the C-Store

    Regardless, the idea of encouraging more of this behaviour is just insane stupidity. If different varients are going to get different stats, start with the basic configurations we currently have ingame. Unfortunatly, anyone with intelligence will see the obvious flaw here.

    3 varients per class + the ability to customise into kitbash mixed designs = No chance.

    There would be nothing stopping someone from building a Gallant class Tactical Escort but having the hull configuration like the Defiant unless each section somehow grants individual modifiers. That is just simply going to be an INSANE amount of programming to achieve and balance.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    J-Sheridan wrote:
    Galaxy-X blows that away

    Up-coming nebula and Excelsior on the C-Store also blows that away.

    Result: Cryptic are complete liars when they claim only cosmetic options will go on the C-Store

    Regardless, the idea of encouraging more of this behaviour is just insane stupidity. If different varients are going to get different stats, start with the basic configurations we currently have ingame. Unfortunatly, anyone with intelligence will see the obvious flaw here.

    3 varients per class + the ability to customise into kitbash mixed designs = No chance.

    There would be nothing stopping someone from building a Gallant class Tactical Escort but having the hull configuration like the Defiant unless each section somehow grants individual modifiers. That is just simply going to be an INSANE amount of programming to achieve and balance.

    I don't think they're complete liars, i only think that they're a little unexperienced. They were caught with their pants down.

    I really believe that they meant what they said, that they didn't intended to put game-changing items on the C-Store. But then the game probably didn't sold as well as they had hoped, so they had to look elsewhere for income.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    I don't think they're complete liars, i only think that they're a little unexperienced. They were caught with their pants down.

    I really believe that they meant what they said, that they didn't intended to put game-changing items on the C-Store. But then the game probably didn't sold as well as they had hoped, so they had to look elsewhere for income.

    Cryptic say they would only put cosmetic items on the C-Store.

    Galaxy-X is not cosmetic, Excelsior is not cosmetic, Nebula is not cosmetic.

    Result: Liars that continue to lie


    Cryptic Apologist: "But, but, its not Cryptics fault they are lying, its our fault because we arent giving them enough income "

    Hmmm, what have I heard THAT kind of apologist attitude before ?
    :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    J-Sheridan wrote:
    Cryptic say they would only put cosmetic items on the C-Store.

    Galaxy-X is not cosmetic, Excelsior is not cosmetic, Nebula is not cosmetic.

    Result: Liars that continue to lie


    Cryptic Apologist: "But, but, its not Cryptics fault they are lying, its our fault because we arent giving them enough income "

    Hmmm, what have I heard THAT kind of apologist attitude before ?
    :rolleyes:

    Hmm.. don't think you understood exactly what i've said..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Cryptic is anything but inexperienced, they have been in the industry for a very long time and created the COH/COV games that are now being operated by someone else.

    The problem is that they are not doing well with STO and I suspect that CBS is breathing down their collective neck to show a profit just as hard as some of us are for a playable and fair game. How they achieve that profit however, is entirely up to them.

    So, they chose to manipulate the CStore instead of spending money on advertising to populate the servers. Foolish and shortsighted? yes, definitely. Inexperienced? not even close.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    Hmm.. don't think you understood exactly what i've said..

    Trying to backpedal now, eh ?

    Lets take a look:
    I don't think they're complete liars, i only think that they're a little unexperienced. They were caught with their pants down.

    Cryptic said they would only put cosmetic items on the C-Store. They did.
    Thus they lied.

    The rest of this is just useless apologism in the attempt to justify their actions...
    They were caught with their pants down in offering the Galaxy-X as a C-Store item so now they intend to add MORE non-cosmetic items ?

    Once can be attributed to being an accident,
    Twice is an indication of intent
    Thrice is an indication of policy
    I really believe that they meant what they said, that they didn't intended to put game-changing items on the C-Store. But then the game probably didn't sold as well as they had hoped, so they had to look elsewhere for income.

    Yet they continue to do so... thus they lied.
    End of story.

    Oh noes... they arent earning enough !
    Mmm, turns out people arent too happy buying a product that was launched incomplete, a company that cannot keep to deadlines or keep content coming that keeps players satisfied.

    Oh right, none of that is Cryptic's fault. Clearly its the fault of the players... :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Cryptic is anything but inexperienced, they have been in the industry for a very long time and created the COH/COV games that are now being operated by someone else.

    The problem is that they are not doing well with STO and I suspect that CBS is breathing down their collective neck to show a profit just as hard as some of us are for a playable and fair game. How they achieve that profit however, is entirely up to them.

    So, they chose to manipulate the CStore instead of spending money on advertising to populate the servers. Foolish and shortsighted? yes, definitely. Inexperienced? not even close.

    Yeah that's right, i meant the current team behind STO. An experienced team leader or director would NEVER say "never". They wouldn't make promises that they didn't know if they would be able to keep.

    I'm not really disappointed at this, i'm not a kid.. **** happens and people make mistakes. However how they choose to roll with this remains to be seen. dStahl said that he is trying to make game-changing itens such as the Gal-X and the Exc/Neb to be avaible through in-game means, so he has the heart in the right place.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Catsmeat wrote:
    Min/maxers would set the flavor of the month and everyone would have the same ship.

    I like it as is, aesthetic only. That frees the players to be creative without gimping them in any way.

    I agree. There is no reason to give stats to the individual parts of the ship. Let us customize our ships so they appeal to us visually, and bugger all to the stats of it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I think the majority of the staff is trying to be ethical about the whole thing but they are being overridden by the "powers that be". Just my personal opinion from obeservation of the forums and behavior of the staff.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I think the majority of the staff is trying to be ethical about the whole thing but they are being overridden by the "powers that be". Just my personal opinion from obeservation of the forums and behavior of the staff.

    Exactly. Some people choose to believe that everyone at Cryptic is an evil sith lord or some villain from a mexican soap opera.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    Exactly. Some people choose to believe that everyone at Cryptic is an evil sith lord or some villain from a mexican soap opera.

    This whole industry is plagued on both ends by kneejerk reactionsts. There is no way around that but there must be a middle ground where mediation can take place. It seems that neither side is interested in that though or there would be a division in place for that purpose.

    Cryptic is not interested in hearing about where they are going wrong and the community is even less interested in being organized to the point where we can even begin to negotiate. I swear, controlling mmorpg communities is like herding cats.
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