No matter how deep you bury your head in the sand and no matter how long you decide to ignore us we'll just keep on *****in' till we get at least a little bit of that love you keep slathering all over the feds every week.
I think its funny how we havent even gotten a single response to ANY of these legitimate gameplay issues. Hellz even in interviews as soon as klingon questions are asked they either ignored.. or if forced to a point, briefly addressed then quickly swept under the carpet......
If you guyz really hate the klingon faction soo much you shouldn't have made it... and I, along with dozens of other lifetime subscribers wouldnt have given this game a second thought. <Some of us actually only bought this game for the klingons belive it or not,,SHOCKING!!!!> But NO you didnt do that,you shelled out the klingons and promised us the world, so ppl like me/uswould in fact buy your game and it worked.... You sure got me, LTS and everything.....
But now you're leaving us hanging, treating our monster play faction like barely even that..and ppl are wondering why we are outraged by this. Sigh.. Im done /end rant/ game over, yada yada, flame away,
Smarty pants post away, whine away, moderate my post , send it to that pit of a black hole part of the forums never visited by any devs better known as klingon gameplay..... W/E
As Joe Dirt says: "You gotta keep on, keepin on....."
Thats the only way maybe,just perhaps, someday, possibly a dev might read this and care just once, l8trs.
Cryptic is simply in over their heads, and there is NO good solution at this point. They obviously CANT support two factions equally, and that isnt going to change unless they hire more people. The best hope for Klingon content at this point is UGC, because 8 episodes after 6 months of waiting just isnt enough to cut it.
The problem is, people will finish those 8 new episodes in a week at most and then be in the exact same position they are now.
As stated in most every other thread, the Season 2 stuff covers like what, 8k of the 40k to reach the new cap.... With that said, there isn't even enough content being added there to cover the level cap.
Cryptic is simply in over their heads, and there is NO good solution at this point. They obviously CANT support two factions equally, and that isnt going to change unless they hire more people.
You think its really come to that? Is it that bad???
That's bummin' me out man .... I hope your wrong...............
From what I hear < I dont play on tribble> the season 2 stuff is like 1 day of content 4 at the most for the extremely casual gamer. It's mostly centered on the feds just like EVERY new season and expac/patch.
You think its really come to that? Is it that bad???
That's bummin' me out man .... I hope your wrong...............
I edited my post to what I think the "solution" is. Granted, I would RATHER Cryptic were able to provide us with equal content for all factions, but it is clearly obvious that they cant. They simply dont have the resources.
Cryptic is simply in over their heads, and there is NO good solution at this point. They obviously CANT support two factions equally, and that isnt going to change unless they hire more people. The best hope for Klingon content at this point is UGC.
I feel that the nagus is correct. Eight episodes don't seem like much.
I edited my post to what I think the "solution" is. Granted, I would RATHER Cryptic were able to provide us with equal content for all factions, but it is clearly obvious that they cant. They simply dont have the resources.
U really think user content will help this game????? I dunno man... personally I think open world PVP might be the only savior here....alot of ppl <myself included> LOVE User Generated Content, but its just not enough to get people "involved" not everybody and it doesnt quite bring ppl together,, you know like the whole mmo thing is supposed to... I dont know man, I just dont know.
U really think user content will help this game????? I dunno man... personally I think open world PVP might be the only savior here....alot of ppl <myself included> LOVE User Generated Content, but its just not enough to get people "involved" not everybody and it doesnt quite bring ppl together,, you know like the whole mmo thing is supposed to... I dont know man, I just dont know.
I am with you Expendable, bring the open PvP for Klingon House battles first (such as suggested in this thread http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=169316 ). If that doesn't work out, you can claim you tried without upsetting the Federation players.
- Adding 8 new KDF only missions.
- Adding one new KDF carrier.
- Making sure Klingons ALSO have the new 'ship interiors'
- Making Fleet Actions for the KDF
- Adding new 'Faction Agnostic' mission content that can be played by either the FED or the KDF faction.
- Responding to requests to increase the constume options of the KDF faction across all KDF races
^^^^^
(All this coming in the Season 2.0 oatch slated for 7/27/10).
and post Season 2.0
- Promising to add more KDF ship options.
- Adding Kizinti
- Promising to NOT add another faction (many player want to see a PC Romulan faction) until the KDF is more rounded out as a full faction.
Either 'sticking your head in the sand' or 'ignoring the Klingon (aka KDF) issue'?
Seriously, I think some KDF players are the ones who need to look at and acknowledge what is being done for the KDF' and further realize that the KDF can't be made 100% equal in content to the Federation in a sigle patch.
U really think user content will help this game????? I dunno man... personally I think open world PVP might be the only savior here....alot of ppl <myself included> LOVE User Generated Content, but its just not enough to get people "involved" not everybody and it doesnt quite bring ppl together,, you know like the whole mmo thing is supposed to... I dont know man, I just dont know.
Oh, I dont deny that open PvP will help. But heres the thing; there are 3 main categories of MMO players:
1) Hardcore PvErs that only PvE
2) Hardcore PvPers that only PvP
3) Average players that mainly PvE and do a little PvP
The 3rd category makes up the majority of all MMO players, and as it turns out there are alot of people who belong to that category who want to play the Klingon faction. So while open PvP may help the hardcore PvPers who play Klingon, it doesnt do anything for the majority of MMO players who also want a decent PvE game.
And to answer your question about UGC, yes I think it will help. It might not always be top quality, but its better than waiting 6 months to get only 8 episodes. And there are plenty of talented people out there who will quickly gain a reputation for their work.
The problem is, people will finish those 8 new episodes in a week at most and then be in the exact same position they are now.
thats why i'm glad they are shifting focus to content thats multifactional and repeatable.
what you said could also be said for the feds. just replace 1 week with about 2.
i also dont agree with the OP's perception of cryptic' attitude towards the klingons, i believe that the are trying to improve the Klingon side and bring it in line. but they are also being practical, devoting too much time and manpower to Klingon-only storyline episodes is just a waste since they don't have much value in the long run.
they could add 20 episodes, and what Nagus said would still be true, it just not worthwhile
No matter how deep you bury your head in the sand and no matter how long you decide to ignore us we'll just keep on *****in' till we get at least a little bit of that love you keep slathering all over the feds every week.
I think its funny how we havent even gotten a single response to ANY of these legitimate gameplay issues. Hellz even in interviews as soon as klingon questions are asked they either ignored.. or if forced to a point, briefly addressed then quickly swept under the carpet......
If you guyz really hate the klingon faction soo much you shouldn't have made it... and I, along with dozens of other lifetime subscribers wouldnt have given this game a second thought. <Some of us actually only bought this game for the klingons belive it or not,,SHOCKING!!!!> But NO you didnt do that,you shelled out the klingons and promised us the world, so ppl like me/uswould in fact buy your game and it worked.... You sure got me, LTS and everything.....
But now you're leaving us hanging, treating our monster play faction like barely even that..and ppl are wondering why we are outraged by this. Sigh.. Im done /end rant/ game over, yada yada, flame away,
Smarty pants post away, whine away, moderate my post , send it to that pit of a black hole part of the forums never visited by any devs better known as klingon gameplay..... W/E
As Joe Dirt says: "You gotta keep on, keepin on....."
Thats the only way maybe,just perhaps, someday, possibly a dev might read this and care just once, l8trs.
Don't worry, next month will be Klingon month. Just like
Cryptic is simply in over their heads, and there is NO good solution at this point. They obviously CANT support two factions equally, and that isnt going to change unless they hire more people. The best hope for Klingon content at this point is UGC, because 8 episodes after 6 months of waiting just isnt enough to cut it.
Which is not an acceptable solution as we've both discussed and argued one way or another in another thread......
- Adding 8 new KDF only missions.
- Adding one new KDF carrier.
- Making sure Klingons ALSO have the new 'ship interiors'
- Making Fleet Actions for the KDF
- Adding new 'Faction Agnostic' mission content that can be played by either the FED or the KDF faction.
- Responding to requests to increase the constume options of the KDF faction across all KDF races
^^^^^
(All this coming in the Season 2.0 oatch slated for 7/27/10).
and post Season 2.0
- Promising to add more KDF ship options.
- Adding Kizinti
- Promising to NOT add another faction (many player want to see a PC Romulan faction) until the KDF is more rounded out as a full faction.
Either 'sticking your head in the sand' or 'ignoring the Klingon (aka KDF) issue'?
Seriously, I think some KDF players are the ones who need to look at and acknowledge what is being done for the KDF' and further realize that the KDF can't be made 100% equal in content to the Federation in a sigle patch.
Do you really want me to answer this???? Cuz I wont I spent ALL DAY LONG yesterday doing just that go to the klingon gameplay section and you can see the LISTS upon LISTS of EVERYTHING that is fundamentally wrong with not only content but gameplay mechanics, gameplay itself, lack of pvp, lack of pve, lack of everything,
hellz even basic bugs still foul up our only 3 pve mission types we dont even have HALF of what the feds have and the half that we do is barren/empty and bugged plz just go read my thread on the klingon gameplay section Ill add a link in a few mins if youre 2 lazy to look, there you will see one of MANY comprehensive lists.
Dude, play the friggin faction b4 you scream and yell in you're cage at me for asking to make my faction better....Srry that was too harsh this is just starting to grate on my nerves... no offense to you man I apolgize... heres that link btw.. srry for yelling and screaming at you from MY cage..
No matter how deep you bury your head in the sand and no matter how long you decide to ignore us we'll just keep on *****in' till we get at least a little bit of that love you keep slathering all over the feds every week.
I think its funny how we havent even gotten a single response to ANY of these legitimate gameplay issues. Hellz even in interviews as soon as klingon questions are asked they either ignored.. or if forced to a point, briefly addressed then quickly swept under the carpet......
If you guyz really hate the klingon faction soo much you shouldn't have made it... and I, along with dozens of other lifetime subscribers wouldnt have given this game a second thought. <Some of us actually only bought this game for the klingons belive it or not,,SHOCKING!!!!> But NO you didnt do that,you shelled out the klingons and promised us the world, so ppl like me/uswould in fact buy your game and it worked.... You sure got me, LTS and everything.....
But now you're leaving us hanging, treating our monster play faction like barely even that..and ppl are wondering why we are outraged by this. Sigh.. Im done /end rant/ game over, yada yada, flame away,
Smarty pants post away, whine away, moderate my post , send it to that pit of a black hole part of the forums never visited by any devs better known as klingon gameplay..... W/E
As Joe Dirt says: "You gotta keep on, keepin on....."
Thats the only way maybe,just perhaps, someday, possibly a dev might read this and care just once, l8trs.
and no matter how often you beat a dead horse, it is still dead.
they know of the issue. they have so much as addressed the community about it.
they know people want more klink content. they know it wont go away.
but to continually post threads about it will not offer resolve.
such as when nagus posted in another whining thread. it becomes just another whine thread with little backbone for a good conversation.
we, as a community, know about this topic. some are more concerned then others.
just put the bat down for a bit and find something else to do.
I think it would be nice if they decided to make a mini-update every so often klingon-only, as well as adding content to both in the major patch. But it's doubtful.
I do think though that some people are starting to put on tinfoil hats and saying that Cryptic is purposefully trying to upset them, and that's not going to do anything other than make you look a little silly. :P
thats why i'm glad they are shifting focus to content thats multifactional and repeatable.
what you said could also be said for the feds. just replace 1 week with about 2.
While that is about the best thing Cryptic can hope to do at this point, even that isnt that great IMO. What makes each faction unique and interesting is their story, but if every faction has the same missions then theres no excitement to play different factions.
and no matter how often you beat a dead horse, it is still dead.
they know of the issue. they have so much as addressed the community about it.
they know people want more klink content. they know it wont go away.
but to continually post threads about it will not offer resolve.
such as when nagus posted in another whining thread. it becomes just another whine thread with little backbone for a good conversation.
we, as a community, know about this topic. some are more concerned then others.
just put the bat down for a bit and find something else to do.
Srry I have to disagree. this appears to be the ONLY way to get anything done around here, the feds whined about imbalance in pvp over and over again hogging up thge forums for months... whaty happened? Klingons got nerfed to nothingness... the rpr's and catian lovers clamored together and made stink all together whining and demanding ...what happened? we now have catians.... same with diff. sliders......fvf pvp.......disruptor nerfs........ fed cloaks....... I could go on.... but I think Ive made my point....
Oh, I dont deny that open PvP will help. But heres the thing; there are 3 main categories of MMO players:
1) Hardcore PvErs that only PvE
2) Hardcore PvPers that only PvP
3) Average players that mainly PvE and do a little PvP
The 3rd category makes up the majority of all MMO players, and as it turns out there are alot of people who belong to that category who want to play the Klingon faction. So while open PvP may help the hardcore PvPers who play Klingon, it doesnt do anything for the majority of MMO players who also want a decent PvE game.
And to answer your question about UGC, yes I think it will help. It might not always be top quality, but its better than waiting 6 months to get only 8 episodes. And there are plenty of talented people out there who will quickly gain a reputation for their work.
Well I cant argue with facts.. you ARE right about that..... This is truth.
Do you really want me to answer this???? Cuz I wont I spent ALL DAY LONG yesterday doing just that go to the klingon gameplay section and you can see the LISTS upon LISTS of EVERYTHING that is fundamentally wrong with not only content but gameplay mechanics, gameplay itself, lack of pvp, lack of pve, lack of everything,
hellz even basic bugs still foul up our only 3 pve mission types we dont even have HALF of what the feds have and the half that we do is barren/empty and bugged plz just go read my thread on the klingon gameplay section Ill add a link in a few mins if youre 2 lazy to look, there you will see one of MANY comprehensive lists.
Dude, play the friggin faction b4 you scream and yell in you're cage at me for asking to make my faction better....
You don't need to 'answer' per se; but they ARE adding content to the KDF, and have acknowledged the varioius issues. That hardly 'ignoring' the problem. Ignorimng the problem would be:
"The KDF has what it has. It was designed as PvP centric. All resources are going into expanding the Federation faction, and the Romulan faction will be debuting in Season 3"
^^^^
(Again for those of you just scanning this is NOT what Cryptic has been saying, or doing; it's just provided as an example).
I domn't know how many MMOs you've been a part of, but again, I would classify the STO Dev teams comments or actions as either 'stiicking their heads in the sand' or 'ingoring the Klingon (KDF) problem.'
While that is about the best thing Cryptic can hope to do at this point, even that isnt that great IMO. What makes each faction unique and interesting is their story, but if every faction has the same missions then theres no excitement to play different factions.
yes the story of the faction is more important then go there press f 5 times or go there kill 5 npcs cause your at war....
. the rpr's and catian lovers clamored together and made stink all together whining and demanding ...what happened? we now have catians.... same with diff. sliders......fvf pvp.......disruptor nerfs........ fed cloaks....... I could go on.... but I think Ive made my point....
Except that you're kinda in the minority opinion for most of those things. It doesn't make you wrong by all means, but it doesn't mean that people are actively conspiring to make you miserable.
thats why i'm glad they are shifting focus to content thats multifactional and repeatable.
what you said could also be said for the feds. just replace 1 week with about 2.
i also dont agree with the OP's perception of cryptic' attitude towards the klingons, i believe that the are trying to improve the Klingon side and bring it in line. but they are also being practical, devoting too much time and manpower to Klingon-only storyline episodes is just a waste since they don't have much value in the long run.
they could add 20 episodes, and what Nagus said would still be true, it just not worthwhile
Well I hpoe I am wrong about cryptics attitude < I believe this to be true since they will spend extra time on fed side but wont even give an hour a week to the klingons> BUT I disagree with what you say about working on the klingons or spending time on them as a "waste of time" Im srry you feel that way ..I obviously do not.
While that is about the best thing Cryptic can hope to do at this point, even that isnt that great IMO. What makes each faction unique and interesting is their story, but if every faction has the same missions then theres no excitement to play different factions.
its just being realistic, they added 8 episodes. if they did, say, 30 of them, it would cut into their ability to add other stuff to the game and would just make people more mad. while at the same time only giving the game as a whole a small content boost that everyone would eventually use up anyway.
then players would be in the same place they are now, but with even less random stuff to do.
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The problem is, people will finish those 8 new episodes in a week at most and then be in the exact same position they are now.
As stated in most every other thread, the Season 2 stuff covers like what, 8k of the 40k to reach the new cap.... With that said, there isn't even enough content being added there to cover the level cap.
You think its really come to that? Is it that bad???
That's bummin' me out man .... I hope your wrong...............
I edited my post to what I think the "solution" is. Granted, I would RATHER Cryptic were able to provide us with equal content for all factions, but it is clearly obvious that they cant. They simply dont have the resources.
I feel that the nagus is correct. Eight episodes don't seem like much.
U really think user content will help this game????? I dunno man... personally I think open world PVP might be the only savior here....alot of ppl <myself included> LOVE User Generated Content, but its just not enough to get people "involved" not everybody and it doesnt quite bring ppl together,, you know like the whole mmo thing is supposed to... I dont know man, I just dont know.
I am with you Expendable, bring the open PvP for Klingon House battles first (such as suggested in this thread http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=169316 ). If that doesn't work out, you can claim you tried without upsetting the Federation players.
- Adding 8 new KDF only missions.
- Adding one new KDF carrier.
- Making sure Klingons ALSO have the new 'ship interiors'
- Making Fleet Actions for the KDF
- Adding new 'Faction Agnostic' mission content that can be played by either the FED or the KDF faction.
- Responding to requests to increase the constume options of the KDF faction across all KDF races
^^^^^
(All this coming in the Season 2.0 oatch slated for 7/27/10).
and post Season 2.0
- Promising to add more KDF ship options.
- Adding Kizinti
- Promising to NOT add another faction (many player want to see a PC Romulan faction) until the KDF is more rounded out as a full faction.
Either 'sticking your head in the sand' or 'ignoring the Klingon (aka KDF) issue'?
Seriously, I think some KDF players are the ones who need to look at and acknowledge what is being done for the KDF' and further realize that the KDF can't be made 100% equal in content to the Federation in a sigle patch.
I hate to say this for klingon only 8 episodes, and a lion fish is not that much.
Oh, I dont deny that open PvP will help. But heres the thing; there are 3 main categories of MMO players:
1) Hardcore PvErs that only PvE
2) Hardcore PvPers that only PvP
3) Average players that mainly PvE and do a little PvP
The 3rd category makes up the majority of all MMO players, and as it turns out there are alot of people who belong to that category who want to play the Klingon faction. So while open PvP may help the hardcore PvPers who play Klingon, it doesnt do anything for the majority of MMO players who also want a decent PvE game.
And to answer your question about UGC, yes I think it will help. It might not always be top quality, but its better than waiting 6 months to get only 8 episodes. And there are plenty of talented people out there who will quickly gain a reputation for their work.
thats why i'm glad they are shifting focus to content thats multifactional and repeatable.
what you said could also be said for the feds. just replace 1 week with about 2.
i also dont agree with the OP's perception of cryptic' attitude towards the klingons, i believe that the are trying to improve the Klingon side and bring it in line. but they are also being practical, devoting too much time and manpower to Klingon-only storyline episodes is just a waste since they don't have much value in the long run.
they could add 20 episodes, and what Nagus said would still be true, it just not worthwhile
Don't worry, next month will be Klingon month. Just like
Which is not an acceptable solution as we've both discussed and argued one way or another in another thread......
Do you really want me to answer this???? Cuz I wont I spent ALL DAY LONG yesterday doing just that go to the klingon gameplay section and you can see the LISTS upon LISTS of EVERYTHING that is fundamentally wrong with not only content but gameplay mechanics, gameplay itself, lack of pvp, lack of pve, lack of everything,
hellz even basic bugs still foul up our only 3 pve mission types we dont even have HALF of what the feds have and the half that we do is barren/empty and bugged plz just go read my thread on the klingon gameplay section Ill add a link in a few mins if youre 2 lazy to look, there you will see one of MANY comprehensive lists.
Dude, play the friggin faction b4 you scream and yell in you're cage at me for asking to make my faction better....Srry that was too harsh this is just starting to grate on my nerves... no offense to you man I apolgize... heres that link btw.. srry for yelling and screaming at you from MY cage..
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=169022
I agree, its not what I would prefer. Yet to me it is better than what Cryptic is able to do, which is 6 months for 8 faction episodes.
and no matter how often you beat a dead horse, it is still dead.
they know of the issue. they have so much as addressed the community about it.
they know people want more klink content. they know it wont go away.
but to continually post threads about it will not offer resolve.
such as when nagus posted in another whining thread. it becomes just another whine thread with little backbone for a good conversation.
we, as a community, know about this topic. some are more concerned then others.
just put the bat down for a bit and find something else to do.
Quoted'ed for Emphasissssssss's !
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I do think though that some people are starting to put on tinfoil hats and saying that Cryptic is purposefully trying to upset them, and that's not going to do anything other than make you look a little silly. :P
While that is about the best thing Cryptic can hope to do at this point, even that isnt that great IMO. What makes each faction unique and interesting is their story, but if every faction has the same missions then theres no excitement to play different factions.
Srry I have to disagree. this appears to be the ONLY way to get anything done around here, the feds whined about imbalance in pvp over and over again hogging up thge forums for months... whaty happened? Klingons got nerfed to nothingness... the rpr's and catian lovers clamored together and made stink all together whining and demanding ...what happened? we now have catians.... same with diff. sliders......fvf pvp.......disruptor nerfs........ fed cloaks....... I could go on.... but I think Ive made my point....
Well I cant argue with facts.. you ARE right about that..... This is truth.
You don't need to 'answer' per se; but they ARE adding content to the KDF, and have acknowledged the varioius issues. That hardly 'ignoring' the problem. Ignorimng the problem would be:
"The KDF has what it has. It was designed as PvP centric. All resources are going into expanding the Federation faction, and the Romulan faction will be debuting in Season 3"
^^^^
(Again for those of you just scanning this is NOT what Cryptic has been saying, or doing; it's just provided as an example).
I domn't know how many MMOs you've been a part of, but again, I would classify the STO Dev teams comments or actions as either 'stiicking their heads in the sand' or 'ingoring the Klingon (KDF) problem.'
yes the story of the faction is more important then go there press f 5 times or go there kill 5 npcs cause your at war....
Except that you're kinda in the minority opinion for most of those things. It doesn't make you wrong by all means, but it doesn't mean that people are actively conspiring to make you miserable.
Well I hpoe I am wrong about cryptics attitude < I believe this to be true since they will spend extra time on fed side but wont even give an hour a week to the klingons> BUT I disagree with what you say about working on the klingons or spending time on them as a "waste of time" Im srry you feel that way ..I obviously do not.
its just being realistic, they added 8 episodes. if they did, say, 30 of them, it would cut into their ability to add other stuff to the game and would just make people more mad. while at the same time only giving the game as a whole a small content boost that everyone would eventually use up anyway.
then players would be in the same place they are now, but with even less random stuff to do.
what do we agree on
Startrek online lacks content
what are we dooing we fight amongost our self as rabid dogs when we should band togther and get more content not just bugfixes and cstore TRIBBLE...