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Who should replace Brent Spiner As Data? Should Soong-type android change it's appearance (at least the face)?

Why am I asking this it's just because i recently watch the all TNG series and you can see that Brent is getting old and his face his changing. well I think they should do a transition of look. Just like the JJ film.

But who do you think Should Play Data that will be for future film or Tv Serie.
but remember he will have to look like Brent as close as possible

or Something happen to Data That he had to change his face or some thing

ok at least if not Data But an other Soong type android with another face. I remember in an episode so fed scientist wanted to replicate Data and make a lot of them.

I think we should have a Soong type just like we have all other species.

in a way I miss Data :(
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Airwane wrote: »
    Who should replace Brent Spiner As Data? Should Soong-type android change it's appearance (at least the face)?

    Why am I asking this it's just because i recently watch the all TNG series and you can see that Brent is getting old and his face his changing. well I think they should do a transition of look. Just like the JJ film.

    But who do you think Should Play Data that will be for future film or Tv Serie.
    but remember he will have to look like Brent as close as possible

    or Something happen to Data That he had to change his face or some thing

    Go watch Star Trek: Nemesis, I won't spoil it for you, but after you've seen it you'll know why Datas "futute appearance" won't be a problem. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sgt.Yngve wrote: »
    Go watch Star Trek: Nemesis, I won't spoil it for you, but after you've seen it you'll know why Datas "futute appearance" won't be a problem. :)

    You may want to catch up on some of what happened after Nemesis.

    With that said, no one. Spiner is Data. I have no desire to see anyone else in the role.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sgt.Yngve wrote: »
    Go watch Star Trek: Nemesis, I won't spoil it for you, but after you've seen it you'll know why Datas "futute appearance" won't be a problem. :)

    You are aware Data came back after that and it's one point the comics, novels and this game all agree on, in part because it was part of the expanded baclstory for STXI.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    You are aware Data came back after that.

    I was not. ;) I'll look it up, thanks!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    lol of course i saw Nemesis but when Bret die who will do Data. Data can't die will all know it.

    I too don't want any one else then Brent but with have to face reality Brent will die at some point so ST people should think of a replacement.

    They can't kill data character (it would be an outrage).
    My worry is that it will be hard to find someone who can play Data like Brent do.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    First of all, screenwise they (including the actor himself) always intended to never have Data come back to tv or film, despite what these non-spiner and non-movie writers think.

    Spiner worked with the script writers too deliberately kill Data, even though there is B4 with his memories now.

    he wanted to close the book on data for himself and admitted he will never play Data.

    Mostly because he's aging too much and that doesn't make sense for a droid.

    So asking about a new actor for Data....is more likely than asking Spiner to do anything but voice overs.

    Appearance wise I would say the guy that plays Sh*tbrick from American Pie minus a few facial pounds could pull off the appearance of the early days data.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    You are aware Data came back after that and it's one point the comics, novels and this game all agree on, in part because it was part of the expanded baclstory for STXI.

    Yes and now he is The captain of the Enterprise E.

    to quote Memory Alpha "The comic book series Star Trek: Countdown, a tie-in to the 2009 Star Trek film, depicts Data as alive in 2387, having successfully imprinted his neural nets onto B-4's programming. In the comic, Data had become captain of the Enterprise-E. This promotion to captain is one of the pieces of trivia that appears on loading screens in Star Trek Online. "

    so you see why I'm asking the question
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    data's memories were transferred to B4, who started to show those memories at the end of nemesis. the process was then mentioned in countdown and the path to 2409 and data was effectively brought back to life.

    now whether a new tv show wants to incorporate that into its timeline is one thing but i doubt they will ever have data appear on screen again, especially if its not brent spiner. it would just seam stupid and pointless to bring the character back but have him recast if its the prime timeline.

    but then i never thought they would have the TOS crew be recast so anything is possible but that was a 100% reboot, to just have data randomly put into a film or show with a new actor would feel wrong and id be against it.

    i dont think any actor could ever do as good a job as brent. he nailed it perfectly.

    i would still like to hear his voice in game. it would be epic
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    He's captain of the Enterprise in this game.

    I did a brief attempt to dramatize a bit of the game's backstory here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8XKAQ_PR_g

    I had to over-enunciate just a tad due to the lousy microphone I had to work with.

    Oh? And here's my take on the Doctor (for a website I didn't have time for):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBMDuyKR54M

    And a generic Klingon:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5hP3uqMyvc
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Aris wrote:
    You may want to catch up on some of what happened after Nemesis.

    Nvm what happened in books or games,Data is dead because Spiner said that he is too old to continue playing Data and his opinion is that Data was best presented with a youthful appearance.So for the majority of the trekkies(not reading books or playing computer games) Data died in nemesis and remains dead forever.

    (for the record this is my first star trek game and I never had a star trek book so until 2 months ago I was sure that Data is dead too,and for the rest of the world he is.This was Spiners decision)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Spiner
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sirius39 wrote:
    First of all, screenwise they (including the actor himself) always intended to never have Data come back to tv or film, despite what these non-spiner and non-movie writers think.

    Spiner worked with the script writers too deliberately kill Data, even though there is B4 with his memories now.

    he wanted to close the book on data for himself and admitted he will never play Data.

    Mostly because he's aging too much and that doesn't make sense for a droid.

    So asking about a new actor for Data....is more likely than asking Spiner to do anything but voice overs.

    Appearance wise I would say the guy that plays Sh*tbrick from American Pie minus a few facial pounds could pull off the appearance of the early days data.

    Story was that just as they often use film budgets to build sets for use elsewhere, they did get enough CGI scans of Brent Spiner to continue Data either with a soundalike or without requiring him to do anything but voicework, had their been demand for more movies and the B4 situation was their built-in loophole.

    Also, going by the books, B4's body now has Data's full brain, personality and advances whereas B4 has been transferred over to separate unit where he could exist as a hologram now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sirius39 wrote:
    First of all, screenwise they (including the actor himself) always intended to never have Data come back to tv or film, despite what these non-spiner and non-movie writers think.

    Spiner worked with the script writers too deliberately kill Data, even though there is B4 with his memories now.

    he wanted to close the book on data for himself and admitted he will never play Data.

    Mostly because he's aging too much and that doesn't make sense for a droid.

    So asking about a new actor for Data....is more likely than asking Spiner to do anything but voice overs.

    Appearance wise I would say the guy that plays Sh*tbrick from American Pie minus a few facial pounds could pull off the appearance of the early days data.

    I see but There is an episode ( I can't find the title) where Data goes and trial because some Scientist want to create More data for the Fed.

    I mean they can kill data but we will always want a Soong type android.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    About comics, books and computer games...

    Rarely do anything that is when they are produced, considered canon or even looked back on, when people decide they want to make a new ST movie or series. Hence why I never consider them canon.

    Also, lets look at the new Trek movie vs the Countdown comics.

    The Comics are proven non-canon by the movie itself when Spock confirms in his mindmeld that he met Nero for the first time when Nero attacked Spock's ship. Go figure. He introduced himself as Nero to spock then and was just hateful vs spock for failing, hence 50% of the comics are already not canon.

    So don;t be surprised if you ever see B4 on screen with the mentality of a five year old and they say that his Prositronic components could not advance enough to put up with 90% of data's memories. Then again it leads to the same line in nemesis when B4 was said to not be advanced enough for it.

    In my opinion, I always take screen as canon and any book, game or tv show as entirely non-canon forever. No negotiation.

    In my estimates, Data is dead, and B4 will never assimilate data's profile 100% A few songs and minor mannerisms at best.

    Come on, who honestly believes Picard would stoop so low to such an unimportant and do nothing position as Ambassador to Vulcan? Really? One of the first founding races of the federation still needs an ambassador? At worst Picard would've retired, at best he wouldn't give up his seat on the enterprise.

    About using CGI scans and such in film for Data? Really, thats just too much budget to waste on a TNG based trek film...honestly way too much of a waste of money. it is not as easy and cheap as people think to do so just for cameo purposes.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I think they made a mistake in killing off Data and having his possible replacement still look like him. It doesn't really solve the problem, it just gives a way to bring back Data with the same actor as before.

    Currently, no actor really comes to my mind to play Data. Maybe it should again be an actor with some comedic talent? I figure this type of characters is good at the "stoic"/"emotionless" character, at least in a likeable manner.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I think they made a mistake in killing off Data and having his possible replacement still look like him. It doesn't really solve the problem, it just gives a way to bring back Data with the same actor as before.

    Currently, no actor really comes to my mind to play Data. Maybe it should again be an actor with some comedic talent? I figure this type of characters is good at the "stoic"/"emotionless" character, at least in a likeable manner.

    Imo we dont need new android in new series/films(at least not as 1 of the main characters).Would be pretty boring,Data already covered everything what can be said about androids.(I am not saying that it wont happen,but I find it very unlikely because it would be a bad decision for obvious reasons)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    On another note:

    With any movie, series or books series I read or watch where my favourite characters die, yes I might get a little emotional response about it, a little confliction, perhaps a tiny bit upset....but do you know what? I often find that reaction is a good reaction, I enjoy that feeling when a character close to me dies.

    That is not sick, the sad is as good as the good when it comes to appreciation of art forms. The fact that it presents an emotional response is great. it's like adrenaline for me.

    Do I ever find myself thinking, they must bring that character back, or they shouldn;' have killed him/her?

    No.

    In almost every case I find the world richer due to death. it makes continually reading and watching it more enjoyable, knowing no one is free from death. There can be consequence to action, hence, you get even more into it when the characters are facing adversity.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    No on should replace him simple as that as it would feel ackward and wierd.

    As for when Data died I remember I was ****ed off big time the first time I saw it. Only time I came close to that feeling was when Dex died in DS9 (Jadzia one name prob incorrect though)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    The worst thing they could have done is bring Data back. Let me explain::

    Throughout STNG Data had been desiring to become more human and to understand what makes us human. As we all know, he ended up with emotions, fear, anger, love. Now when I say love we never saw him become romantically involved (post emotion chip) but we can gather that he loved his friends of the Enterprise so much that he was willing to die for them and for the good of the Federation.

    Data, like us, was a one of a kind individual, there would never be another Data, like there will never be another me or any one of you. Data set self value aside, knowing that everything he was would be gone, forever, even with his memories in B4,,(kind of like watching home movies of someone that died , their image and experience is there but their gone) what made him 'Data' was gone.

    Then someone takes the most human thing Data did and turns it into a cheap parlor trick. Data didn't die out of love for his friends, for the philosophy of "The good of the many outweigh the good of the few", it was merely a machine calculated means to turn a losing conflict into a chance for a win. Knowing that his memories were in B4, and that B4's positronic net had the means to evolve he knew he had nothing to lose as he'd be 'resurrected' in B4's body, even if he wasn't 100% what he was (of course he apparently was 100%).

    The most human thing the character Data could have done, and they turned it into a meaningless 'tactic', gone was the 'one-shot deal' we get, the fear of dying being over come by courage. All Data did was make a few calculations on the probability that B4 would evolve and took his chances.

    Cheap.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Xorrlan wrote:
    Imo we dont need new android in new series/films(at least not as 1 of the main characters).Would be pretty boring,Data already covered everything what can be said about androids.(I am not saying that it wont happen,but I find it very unlikely because it would be a bad decision for obvious reasons)

    well you say that then why have all the species again. just get new one.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I think Brent Spiner would be amenable to do Data again if it was presented in another media format than live action. Maybe an animated feature, kinda like the current Star Wars series - although with a different desgin; I don't see the Clone Wars aesthetics fitting Star Trek.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Airwane wrote: »
    well you say that then why have all the species again. just get new one.

    While we are at it a new vulcan science officer would be boring too(we already had 2).I want to see new races/species as main characters,yes.Lets say:andorian,breen or just something entirely new.

    Humans are boring too but we are humans so they must be there somewhere:(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Xorrlan wrote:
    While we are at it a new vulcan science officer would be boring too(we already had 2).I want to see new races/species as main characters,yes.Lets say:andorian,breen or just something entirely new.

    Maybe something non-humanoid - especially since CGI tech has improved greatly over the years.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    My personal hope is that the Next Generation as we have known them is no more as a series or movies. I mean if they wanted to do a series or movie around the Titan book series to keep some Next Gen that would be cool.

    Personally I would love to see them go back to the Enterprise series and work the real potential. I mean the series had falws for sure but it was about to enter the era of the founding of the Federation and the Earth/Romulan War. There is some incredible story potential there.

    As for Spiner, I think it is best to let Data go from the screen. I mean the books and such can keep him alive just fine but from movies and TV the time has come to move on.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Archanubis wrote:
    Maybe something non-humanoid - especially since CGI tech has improved greatly over the years.

    Exactly.

    Something not humanoid would be really really cool:D(so far Odo was the closest to that,but he used his humanoid form all the time).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    If they ever needed Data for movies of TV again, they should do motion capture CGI, like they did with Gollum, and have Brent Spiner do the voice.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Aris wrote:
    You may want to catch up on some of what happened after Nemesis.

    With that said, no one. Spiner is Data. I have no desire to see anyone else in the role.

    I agree, you cant have anyone else play Data....... it just would not be possible.... Would be cool to see another android though... maybe one created by data.. but one that will stay alive longer than 1 episode.

    As for some one to play it..... it would have to be a fresh face, someone who its unknown to the majority of the world.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    There is no indication that Star Trek is going to ever be resurrected in the TNG format. The new direction being taken is to go with the J.J. Abrams re-boot which takes place in the TOS "alternate" timeline. So, this discussion is pretty much out of context.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Gruug wrote: »
    There is no indication that Star Trek is going to ever be resurrected in the TNG format. The new direction being taken is to go with the J.J. Abrams re-boot which takes place in the TOS "alternate" timeline. So, this discussion is pretty much out of context.

    Not only that but I'm pretty sure Orci and Kurtzman have already (very tentatively) talked about recasting TNG for a JJ-verse 24th century movie once Chris Pine and crew decide they're done.

    And in another 10 or 15 years? Why not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Archanubis wrote:
    I think Brent Spiner would be amenable to do Data again if it was presented in another media format than live action. Maybe an animated feature, kinda like the current Star Wars series - although with a different desgin; I don't see the Clone Wars aesthetics fitting Star Trek.

    It can't, Clone Wars is a kiddies show. Star Wars was meant from day one to be kiddies-friendly.

    A Star Trek computer-animated series could work. Does anyone remembers Starship Troopers?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I would assume they wouldn't find somebody who looked exactly like Data so he'd look a little off no matter what. But unlike other characters he is a machine and what happens to machines over time? They get upgraded. Even the Soong would get upgraded eventually no matter what kind of genius the doctor was. Thus, his looks might marginally change as well.

    The only other way they could do it is by putting an exact double in with CGI, but it would be expensive and laborious.
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