test content
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc

Cryptic Challenge: Bring RvR and Klingon Content

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
Cryptic Challenge: Bring RvR

As you can see on the forums, the remaining KDF players are in uproar and rightfully so. I have been around since beta, I know of the promises made for KDF content. I recall how it was touted that 45 days after release we would see what we are finally seeing in Season 2 for the Klingons. Most Klingon players are not asking for tons of PvE, just something to cut out the grind or to do while waiting for the queues that take forever, some nights taking 45 minutes or greater to even get one single FvK battle in.

Give use RvR, let us have faction controlled areas. This way, at the very least, we can see something in the game that keeps players hanging around. It is getting to be a hard sell for players to stick around or anything in the game that gives them zero incentive to keep paying. It worked for Eve and Planetside, where players have been content with lacking content in favor of having a RvR zones that put ownership in the players hands.

Bring the war.... make it real. You can continue making the PvE game for Feds, however it is time to fulfill the promises you made when most of use signed up. I, along with others bought pre-order lifetime subscriptions because of the promises of filling out the Klingon faction. I have played Fed, and waited. I waited for the K'Tanco because I wanted to level up a Klingon with Cruisers. It took over a month till there was even a straight line progression in ships for the Klingons. I, like many others believed what you said before and during release about the promise to fill out the Klingons, lets take the time to make it right.

I know of a few clans with hundreds of players who didn't buy this game because of the lack of Klingon content. They are still waiting for it, some are still interested. If you want to see the game grow, holding on to what you have is not going to work. You are making some great advancements, yet learn from Eve, grow this game, make factions or even fleet war possible. Attribute resources, technology and different elements to ownership of these places.
  • Where are the fleet battles for Planets?
  • Where is the ground PvP battles for a Planet or bases?
  • Where are the fleet battles for Starbases?
  • Where is the ground PvP battles for a Starbase?
  • What is the incentive for being in a Fleet?
  • What does this game provide that hasn't been done better elsewhere?

If you don't believe there are Klingons out there who want this game to succeed I further challenge you to make some new skins and new ships attainable to the Klingons in the C-Store, see if they get purchased and base your decisions from there. Give CptnLogan the resources to make these ships real.

I think, as someone who has been positive on every other forum trashing this game, that this is the breaking point, no more support. Even if you love PvP, and work hard to grind up your Klingons, you still will see little new elements. The new cruiser is a nice item, but where was the Galaxy-X for the Klingons? When will we see refits or new ships like the Nebula and new skins for the Klingons?

Like I said.... Bring the war, and the KDF will start showing the numbers to prove that we are here. I have a few accounts myself, and on this account I haven't played my Klingon in a while, because waiting an hour for a PvP game while doing the same lame "Kill 10 groups x3" missions for some XP is bogus and you know it.

I can go on an on with this but at this point, I think you get the point.
Post edited by Unknown User on
«1345

Comments

  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I question the "Rightfully so" mentality of people sometimes.

    yes I have a Klingon Character...however, I also understand this:

    Klingons were advertised long before their inclusion as being only a PVP based race.

    Yup, that was the original advertisements and build practices.

    So despite players demands and incorrect "rightfully so's" anything new we get for our klingons is a bonus and a blessing.

    Hey, at least I'm not jaded
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sirius39 wrote:
    I question the "Rightfully so" mentality of people sometimes.

    yes I have a Klingon Character...however, I also understand this:

    Klingons were advertised long before their inclusion as being only a PVP based race.

    Yup, that was the original advertisements and build practices.

    So despite players demands and incorrect "rightfully so's" anything new we get for our klingons is a bonus and a blessing.

    Hey, at least I'm not jaded

    Was I asking for more PvE? Klingon Content is not just PvE, try new ships, skins, maybe even completed costumes and so forth. My point is not about Klingon PvE content, if you read the post....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Because RvR worked so well for WAR
    Sirius39 wrote:
    Yup, that was the original advertisements and build practices.

    Where are the links to this point? Cause I keep hearing thats not the case, but then they dont have links either, but Id much like to see links to at least ONE side at least lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    You expect me to dig back to beta times? I'm not even sure those threads even exist anymore.

    If one doubts it, you can dig too.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Creovex wrote: »
    Was I asking for more PvE? Klingon Content is not just PvE, try new ships, skins, maybe even completed costumes and so forth. My point is not about Klingon PvE content, if you read the post....

    Did I mention PVE even once?

    Nope.

    But baring PVP, most of what you said is coming in 2.0 anyway. I spent ages going through the costumes for example on tribble.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sirius39 wrote:
    You expect me to dig back to beta times? I'm not even sure those threads even exist anymore.

    If one doubts it, you can dig too.

    Well, you want people to believe what yer saying right? Providing proof is a good way to do that. Next time I see a person on the other side posit the same argument from the other side, ill ask them to provide proof as well.

    There is an archive you know.

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/archive/index.php/

    look through there?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sirius39 wrote:
    I question the "Rightfully so" mentality of people sometimes.

    yes I have a Klingon Character...however, I also understand this:

    Klingons were advertised long before their inclusion as being only a PVP based race.

    Yup, that was the original advertisements and build practices.

    So despite players demands and incorrect "rightfully so's" anything new we get for our klingons is a bonus and a blessing.

    Hey, at least I'm not jaded

    Long ago???? - are you refering to the bomb they dropped one to two month before beta?

    Would you like to see a video interview that proves you wrong?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Because RvR worked so well for WAR



    Where are the links to this point? Cause I keep hearing thats not the case, but then they dont have links either, but Id much like to see links to at least ONE side at least lol

    Works great for Eve... Worked great for Planetside.

    Claims for Klingon Content right after launch:
    Need more?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yes, the "original advertisements" that said Klingons were to be a PVP race well before December or launch.

    Those are April (this year) Feb (this year), Dec, Dec.

    The other side of the argument usually points out (historically, this isnt me, I just got into the game a couple weeks ago) that the Klingons were added around December due to player pressure. I want to see links disputing that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sirius39 wrote:
    Did I mention PVE even once?

    Nope.

    But baring PVP, most of what you said is coming in 2.0 anyway. I spent ages going through the costumes for example on tribble.

    LOL 5 months for a costume.... Funny CptnLogan busts out new ships textures in not time.... At what point does playing PvE = getting all the new "NON MISSION" content? It is not mutually exclusive, this is the part that confuses most in this debate.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yes, the "original advertisements" that said Klingons were to be a PVP race well before December or launch.

    Those are April (this year) Feb (this year), Dec, Dec.

    The other side of the argument usually points out (historically, this isnt me, I just got into the game a couple weeks ago) that the Klingons were added around December due to player pressure. I want to see links disputing that.

    THIS is what I was talking about. Not 2 post launch articles and two December articles.
    The quote I was asking about was the "yep thats original advertising" thing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Serpieri wrote: »
    Looks Like Cryptic got Busted !!!

    Goto love the Internet.

    I got more, and cached pages of stuff that went down. Sadly, at the same time, I have been one of the people giving them a pass on most other website forums.

    It is time for change.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Ah, thanks for findind some of the various places that the dev's called klingons the "PVP race."

    Though none of them are the articles I was recalling. They were based along the lines of "We are now changing our Klingon PVP race design to now include PVE based on popular demand." which was an admittance Klingons were intended to only be PVP.

    Just can't find it, found some close things in the early Ask cryptic topics though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    post it lol let the truth come out! Plus the wether the Klingons were actually added cause ppl QQed, or if they WERE planned all along. Id really like to know the answer to that actually.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Most the links already provided proved that cryptic was originally only designing Klingons to be PVP race.

    We don't need to waste time over semantics now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sirius39 wrote:
    Most the links already provided proved that cryptic was originally only designing Klingons to be PVP race.

    We don't need to waste time over semantics now.

    No, like I said. Two were from December, two were post launch. Id like to see articles pre December that say hey werent planning on coming out with the Klingons or that they were.
    Or those "original advertisements" you were talking about. I assumed you had them handy as you were talking about them like you did
    Its not semantics, its proving wether what you were saying was right, that they were in the original advertisements, or wether it was them caving to ppl QQing that they werent putting them in.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sirius39 wrote:
    Most the links already provided proved that cryptic was originally only designing Klingons to be PVP race.

    We don't need to waste time over semantics now.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcAn3nhf97Y

    OMG your right - Jack said Klingons are just PVP...

    Oh wait, he said FULL PVE...eh no wait he said PVP...nope I'm sure he said PVE.

    Yup he Said PVE
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sirius39 wrote:
    Most the links already provided proved that cryptic was originally only designing Klingons to be PVP race.

    We don't need to waste time over semantics now.

    Why are people confused on this? Even if they are just a PvP faction, they are still one of the two factions in the game. Just cause they are PvP does not say they get less ships or clothing options.... Where does it say that the Federation is PvE and RP?

    "Emmert and Zinkievich say they have remained true to the Star Trek canon, but have come up with enough original material in the form of missions that will keep fans from getting bored. In contrast to the online game Star Wars Galaxies, they aren’t straying too much from the fun stuff: being a Star Fleet captain running a space ship and fighting with the enemies of the Federation" - http://games.venturebeat.com/2009/10/16/star-trek-online-game-gives-cryptic-studios-a-chance-at-a-mass-audience/
    ^ LOL bored???

    "Since Atari isn’t the strongest of game companies, there isn’t a lot of marketing money it can spend on the game. That puts all the more pressure on Cryptic to create a game that will spread by word of mouth. Cyptic has another unannounced game underway. But with luck, Star Trek Online will be the game that makes Cryptic world famous" - Same source
    ^ Why you didn't see much of any advertising in the first place....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Serpieri wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcAn3nhf97Y

    OMG your right - Jack said Klingons are just PVP...

    Oh wait, he said FULL PVE...eh no wait he said PVP...nope I'm sure he said PVE.

    Yup he Said PVE

    Humanoids only at launch but we'll make more later... lol
    "One of the hardest thing to do is to create an MMO because there are so many pieces to it,” said Zinkievich. “Companies keep failing because the technology kills them.”
    You can fight the Klingons in your starship and perform missions on the ground on planets that you visit.

    Its interesting to note that they dont say you can play AAS the Klingons and theyre PVP centric here
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Then later went "PVP race"

    In honesty I never paid attention to STO stuff in 2008 as back then, it looked like a farce that was going to burn and fade away.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sirius39 wrote:
    Then later went "PVP race"

    In honesty I never paid attention to STO stuff in 2008 as back then, it looked like a farce that was going to burn and fade away.

    That changed? <-- see thats a joke :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I don't see what would be wrong with having the border areas setup for RvR similiar to the way Pirates of teh Burning Sea is done. The concept would hae to be tweaked a bit to blend it into Trek, but it could be easily done and provide a little more flavor, more point to "The War" that is currently going on and give players who want to run Klingons (myself included) more reason to play them. God forbid we try to make the game more fun...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Why are people confused on this? Even if they are just a PvP faction, they are still one of the two factions in the game. Just cause they are PvP does not say they get less ships or clothing options.... Where does it say that the Federation is PvE and RP?

    Actually...you're mistranslating me by drawing your own conclusions, aye, thats a typical net-thing.

    PVP races can always have roleplay tools and such, more ships etc. It's just become habbit that when people ask for klingon content the majority cry was always for PVE missions.

    Drawing boards pre-development don;t count, as the games completely different than what they originally planned. Then there's quite a few, as linked earlier interviews when the game was up, in beta or near release all calling klingons the pvp race.

    Hence the majority cry when refering to PVE was not for so much costumes, and ships, but mostly for story-arcs and pve missions. Which cryptic did bend and slowly tried to give, though slowly.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    MarkStone wrote: »
    I don't see what would be wrong with having the border areas setup for RvR similiar to the way Pirates of teh Burning Sea is done. The concept would hae to be tweaked a bit to blend it into Trek, but it could be easily done and provide a little more flavor, more point to "The War" that is currently going on and give players who want to run Klingons (myself included) more reason to play them. God forbid we try to make the game more fun...

    God forbid you try to make the game more fun for the klingons at least... as soon as you did that even if the feds didnt even open pvp with klingons they would ***** about it for some reason or the other and then cryptic would cave and get rid of it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Sirius39 wrote:
    Then later went "PVP race"

    In honesty I never paid attention to STO stuff in 2008 as back then, it looked like a farce that was going to burn and fade away.

    So you are referring to the change they did one-two month before beta - and how they promised that the PVP centric Klingons would have a very dynamic system of PVP different from the Federation. Yeah, goto love the arena and the failed House Battles. How the PVP exp was nefed, when it was quicker to level a FED via PVE to endgame, and how the Federation War games made the ques even longer for a faction that needed PVP to level.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    God forbid you try to make the game more fun for the klingons at least... as soon as you did that even if the feds didnt even open pvp with klingons they would ***** about it for some reason or the other and then cryptic would cave and get rid of it.

    ...well, Klingons are prone to civil war, they can always kill eachother.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Why are people confused on this? Even if they are just a PvP faction, they are still one of the two factions in the game. Just cause they are PvP does not say they get less ships or clothing options....

    Right. Cryptic decided that apparently. Seems the PVP faction doesnt need these types on amenities
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    So you are referring to the change they did one-two month before beta - and how they promised that the PVP centric Klingons would have a very dynamic system of PVP different from the Federation. Yeah, goto love the arena and the failed House Battles. How the PVP exp was nefed, when it was quicker to level a FED via PVE to endgame, and how the Federation War games made the ques even longer for a faction that needed PVP to level.

    Never did say i supported it. So I'll take the sarcastic tone as you talking to a mirror then?
Sign In or Register to comment.