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Cryptic Run Out of Canon Ship Classes for Tier 6?

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Hi all,

It occurred to me today that once the Excelsior and Nebula are added, pretty much all the canon ship classes can be found in STO. The only ones left I can think of are...
  • Ambassador
  • New Orleans
  • Oberth
  • Constellation
  • Soyuz (at a push - basically just a Miranda)
  • Universe (Enterprise-J type, probably a bit too far in the future; style wouldnt fit with the others IMHO)

So what is Cryptic going to use for Tier 6? Clearly people like canon stuff, so people aren't really going to want to fly tier 6 vessels when all the cool ships from the TV shows are at tier 5!

Whats going to happen here? Are Cryptic going to allow refits at T6 also so we can still fly proper Star Trek ships?

Edit: Please dont take this as a complaint or a rant. I LOVE Cryptic's decision to bring back the T4 vessels for the VA rank, and all the ships in game are beautiful and clearly meticulously designed by people who loved the shows as mch as we do.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    You forgot Ambassador Class, the precursor to the Galaxy, but you are right, there is a point where Canon ships run out.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I dont think there should be a T6....ever. Cryptic has proven that they cannot really design proper Starfleet ship designs very well on their own and the content in game is already not goo enough. Their poor design skills on new ships can be seen with the star cruisers...fleet escorts and many other ships. I say they should work on other things...not T6...UCG...Romulans.....expanded customibility would be a better idea IMO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Zutty wrote: »
    So what is Cryptic going to use for Tier 6? Clearly people like canon stuff,

    And a lot of them dont like the new classes that Cryptic come up with.
    IE (me personally) the Star Cruisers that seem to just look like upside down canon ships
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    You forgot Ambassador Class, the precursor to the Galaxy, but you are right, there is a point where Canon ships run out.

    *slaps forehead*

    Oh yeah!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/

    FEDERATION SHIPS: ALPHABETICAL

    Aakenn
    Akira
    Alamo
    Ambassador
    Andor
    Anton
    Archer
    Babcock
    Bader
    Baker
    Brenton
    Chandley
    Charger
    Clark
    Cle Dan
    Cochrane
    Constellation
    Constitution
    Continent
    Cosmos Royale
    Cygnus
    Danube
    Decker
    Defiant
    Derf
    Durrett
    Enterprise (Constitution Refit)
    Envoy
    Epsilon
    Excelsior
    Excelsior (refit)
    Federation
    Federation (refit)
    Fenlon
    Firestorm
    Galaxy
    Gagarin (Oberth/Sagan)
    Genser
    Greyhound
    Griffon
    Illustrious
    Indomitable
    Intrepid
    Karekh
    Keith
    Kethkin
    Kiev
    K'kmarak
    Kolm-An
    Lenthal
    Larson
    Laweya
    Liberty
    Loknar
    Mackenzie
    Makin
    M'Benga
    Mo'Kal
    Moscow
    Nebula
    Nelson
    Northampton
    Nova
    Overfield
    Paine
    Pearl
    Protector
    Pulsar
    R-1
    Ranger
    Reliant (Miranda/Soyuz)
    Remora
    Royal Sovereign
    SC-22 Sphinx
    S-20
    S-Series
    Saber
    Saladin
    Samson
    Scorpio
    Scylla
    Solar
    Sovereign
    Steamrunner
    SW-21
    Tangent
    Thufir
    Ticonderoga
    Triton
    Wellington
    Wilkerson
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Morgomir wrote: »
    I dont think there should be a T6....ever. Cryptic has proven that they cannot really design proper Starfleet ship designs very well on their own and the content in game is already not goo enough. Their poor design skills on new ships can be seen with the star cruisers...fleet escorts and many other ships. I say they should work on other things...not T6...UCG...Romulans.....expanded customibility would be a better idea IMO.

    IMO they should sell the game to a company that CAN do the things they are expected to do but thats my opinion
    (ignore it as you will lol)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    And a lot of them dont like the new classes that Cryptic come up with.
    IE (me personally) the Star Cruisers that seem to just look like upside down canon ships

    OTOH, I happen to like Star Cruisers' appearance (and functionality). Go figure.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Asakara wrote:

    Hehehe...

    I have some of those books within reach of this desk... :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    And a lot of them dont like the new classes that Cryptic come up with.
    IE (me personally) the Star Cruisers that seem to just look like upside down canon ships

    This is exactly what I mean. I dont hate Cryptic's designs, but given the choice I'd rather fly something from one of the TV shows or movies.

    Plus yeah, the star cruiser isn't great. Have you tried the Nomad skin? Its much nicer.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    OTOH, I happen to like Star Cruisers' appearance (and functionality). Go figure.

    Never said everyone doesnt like it lol I in fact specifically noted that I dont in particular
    Asakara wrote:

    I dont see a class bigger than battleship - which we already have lol
    Neat database though
    Zutty wrote: »
    This is exactly what I mean. I dont hate Cryptic's designs, but given the choice I'd rather fly something from one of the TV shows or movies.

    Plus yeah, the star cruiser isn't great. Have you tried the Nomad skin? Its much nicer.

    No, I just joined a couple weeks ago, and have had to go with Youtube and Google to see what the ships look like so far.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Never said everyone doesnt like it lol I in fact specifically noted that I dont in particular



    I dont see a class bigger than battleship - which we already have lol
    Neat database though



    No, I just joined a couple weeks ago, and have had to go with Youtube and Google to see what the ships look like so far.

    There is an "Assault Ship" category which feature more powerful ships than the ones in the "Battleship / Battle-Cruisers" category. There are 3 ships in this category: Continent, Kolm-An, and the Makin classes.

    Also, at the bottom under "Misc" is the Illustrious class carrier. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I hate all Cryptics designs myself. No offense to the creators but Cryptic Ships REALLY dont look like Star Trek, I could bet you the Production Designers that worked on Star Trek shows would never in a gazillion years approve any of cryptics designs to be 'canon'.

    Personally, I dont understand how anyone can like them, they completely defy Star Trek Design patterns, Even the Klingons have this problem, their new Carrier looks like something out of the Shadows on Babylon 5!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    While Cryptic do design their own take on ships, it's worth remembering that it's up to CBS if they appear, not Cryptic themselves. We've already seen them put the foot down with the Nomad which had to go back to the drawing board. I'm no fan of the Imperial however. But they're all there because CBS said they could be there.

    The Canon ships will only get us so far in STO as the refit option will only work to a certain point. As it stands, the Sovereign, Prometheus and Intrepid pretty much represent the pinnacle of Starfleet technology by the time of Nemesis. Already technically speaking, there is no canon T5 science vessel as the Luna has never appeared or been mentioned and the Star Cruisers etc show us thoughts to where an organisation like Starfleet might go next for the newer classes of ships.

    I suppose what I mean is we're effectively in a Canon blank spot at that point so it's something that needs to be thought about for "what's next?".
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    MarkStone wrote: »
    Hehehe...

    I have some of those books within reach of this desk... :D

    Me too, FASA section is left of Last Unicorn Section is left of Decipher Section :P

    I've also got several feet of bookshelves dedicated to the novels. All of them. Took years. Please help me :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Asakara wrote:
    There is an "Assault Ship" category which feature more powerful ships than the ones in the "Battleship / Battle-Cruisers" category. There are 3 ships in this category: Continent, Kolm-An, and the Makin classes.

    Also, at the bottom under "Misc" is the Illustrious class carrier. :)

    I was kind of thinking that would go under the escort variant to battleship. I havent gotten that far yet. I dont see those little looking ships being cruiser variants
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Ultrawave wrote: »
    I suppose what I mean is we're effectively in a Canon blank spot at that point so it's something that needs to be thought about for "what's next?".

    Thats actually incredibly scary AND sad given how long this game has been out you know? lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Most likely, most T6+ ships will follow the Refit paradigm being introduced in Season 2.0 . . . the first crop of actual T6 ships will be refit T5s just as the upcoming VA1 ships are refit T4s. They'll prolly introduce some new models in the T6 domain but will also to be able to rely on establish T5 models.

    For instance, a T6 Escort might be a Refit T5 Prometheus with Multi-Vector Assault Mode capability.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Thats actually incredibly scary AND sad given how long this game has been out you know? lol

    OMG! I never thought about it :eek: It's only been some months now and we're basically out of canon ships! :eek: :( Oh God why!?

    I hope the refit opion will save us form this nightmare :eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Personally, I dont understand how anyone can like them, they completely defy Star Trek Design patterns

    The Celestial-class Star Cruiser is sleek, has nacelles in pairs with a deflector under the saucer, and looks like a Sovereign with 40 more years of time for Utopia Planitia to upgrade Starfleet's cruisers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Personally, I think Cryptic should get Doug Drexler to come up with a few new designs for T6 and beyond. His ship designs for Star Trek have always been amazing and very detailed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    OMG! I never thought about it :eek: It's only been some months now and we're basically out of canon ships! :eek: :( Oh God why!?

    I hope the refit opion will save us form this nightmare :eek:

    Yes, please jump directly to the assumption in screaming "DOOOOOOOM" when Im merely pointing out a flaw.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Part of the problem is that nothing canonical should be native to Tier 6 (as opposed to very heavily refit). The Sovereign-class and the Prometheus-class were the fullest extent of New Hotness seen onscreen until way-future stuff.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    The designs are good but not futuristic enough. Perpetual had some interesting models http://suricatasblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/peships.jpg
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I like "unknown" lol

    Sacagewea and Iwoa look familiar
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Asakara wrote:

    I looked over some of those designs. The canon regarding much of those ships is dubious at best (except for the obvious ones). And to be honest - some of these ships are uglier than even some of Cryptic's designs.
    Sacagewea and Iowa look familiar

    Looks like they were based on the Saber-class, just as the Rapier and Ushaan are in game. In fact, the Iowa kinda looks like the Ushaan.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    what about cryptics typhoon and the victory :D as for the klinks... hm.m... a super sized bird of prey... and.. the orion,gorn and nausican ships :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Archanubis wrote:
    I looked over some of those designs. The canon regarding much of those ships is dubious at best (except for the obvious ones). And to be honest - some of these ships are uglier than even some of Cryptic's designs.



    Looks like they were based on the Saber-class, just as the Rapier and Ushaan are in game. In fact, the Iowa kinda looks like the Ushaan.

    The Cryptic ships are canon? Cause noting that the canon on these ships being dubious is somewhat pouintless if youre comparing them to ships that dont have any
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    The Cryptic ships are canon? Cause noting that the canon on these ships being dubious is somewhat pouintless if youre comparing them to ships that dont have any

    I was talking canon as far as the TV/movie franchise is concerned. Generally speaking, TPTB in Paramount/CBS don't consider books, games, and other non TV and flim media to be canon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Archanubis wrote:
    I was talking canon as far as the TV/movie franchise is concerned. Generally speaking, TPTB in Paramount/CBS don't consider books, games, and other non TV and flim media to be canon.

    again, noting the questionable canon omn ships that have it as compared to ships that have no canon at all is weird to me

    cause yer saying the ships that he mentioned have dubious canon. The Cryptic ships dont have any that Im aware of, so isnt it better to have ships with dubious cannon rather than none?

    And the guys in CBS/Paramount dont seem to ghave huge ussues with putting ships that arent canon in either lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Well sence I am not a canon freak lol I for one like the ships cryptic has made for the game and hope to see more into the future. I want more veriation then the normal "canon ships" I mean I can only take so much of flying the same class over and over.


    /vote New ships!
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