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Being a Klingon stinks and Why

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Now before Klingons start reaching for the Bat'leths, let me say here Klingons could be fun if they were done right, and most importantly if Cryptic understood why. All the threads about klingons center around one thing: PvP and either how imbalanced things are or how Feds get all the good stuff. While this might be important to Klingons, I dont think its really going to fix the underlying problem, all the balance and bones getting thrown to Qo'nos in the galaxy isnt going to get things better if the root problem isnt looked at.

Firstly, lets start from the beginning. Being a Newbie klingon stinks. It does, hands down, but the problem isnt necessarily PvP, because while only Hardcore "career" PvPers want to get right into it, alot of people arent hardcore PvPers, they are casually PvPers, they'll do PvP but they also love PvE. The other side of the coin is low level Feds dont want or care about PvP either. Theres no real way of fixing this short of making low level PvP some kind of magical fairly land where rewards are growing on trees, this is just a fact, and at low levels this might just unbalance the game. No, I propose something different.

Newbie Klingons Should be given a mostly PvE experience, Episodes and Patrols and the like as Fed players get. Why? Because not only will this work players into Klingon Empire, it will get them hooked on being Klingon, establish a connection to their klingon and BOs. Because as it is now, Leveling a newbie Klingon is WORSE then Everquest, Yes, it is, everyone knows it and that is bad, as Everquest was the worst offender in slow, boring leveling. If you fix this, if you make Breaking into the Klingon Faction fun and engaging with Missions like higher level players are getting for Season 2, you'd have tons more klingon players.

This is where Cryptic messed up, I'd wager large sums of Latinum most High Level Klingon players dont care much about PvE, after all the time put in leveling up to Klingon General with PvP and fitting out their Ships of death, the only thing most of them want to do is slaughter other players. Klingon PvE content needs to be centered at Lower Levels. Then after Klingon newbies get worked into and use to being a Klingon, say around Lt Cmdr then sprinkle in some PvP missions every 5 or 10 levels, but by that time the focus should shift to PVP.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Now before Klingons start reaching for the Bat'leths, let me say here Klingons could be fun if they were done right, and most importantly if Cryptic understood why. All the threads about klingons center around one thing: PvP and either how imbalanced things are or how Feds get all the good stuff. While this might be important to Klingons, I dont think its really going to fix the underlying problem, all the balance and bones getting thrown to Qo'nos in the galaxy isnt going to get things better if the root problem isnt looked at.

    Firstly, lets start from the beginning. Being a Newbie klingon stinks. It does, hands down, but the problem isnt necessarily PvP, because while only Hardcore "career" PvPers want to get right into it, alot of people arent hardcore PvPers, they are casually PvPers, they'll do PvP but they also love PvE. The other side of the coin is low level Feds dont want or care about PvP either. Theres no real way of fixing this short of making low level PvP some kind of magical fairly land where rewards are growing on trees, this is just a fact, and at low levels this might just unbalance the game. No, I propose something different.

    Newbie Klingons Should be given a mostly PvE experience, Episodes and Patrols and the like as Fed players get. Why? Because not only will this work players into Klingon Empire, it will get them hooked on being Klingon, establish a connection to their klingon and BOs. Because as it is now, Leveling a newbie Klingon is WORSE then Everquest, Yes, it is, everyone knows it and that is bad, as Everquest was the worst offender in slow, boring leveling. If you fix this, if you make Breaking into the Klingon Faction fun and engaging with Missions like higher level players are getting for Season 2, you'd have tons more klingon players.

    This is where Cryptic messed up, I'd wager large sums of Latinum most High Level Klingon players dont care much about PvE, after all the time put in leveling up to Klingon General with PvP and fitting out their Ships of death, the only thing most of them want to do is slaughter other players. Klingon PvE content needs to be centered at Lower Levels. Then after Klingon newbies get worked into and use to being a Klingon, say around Lt Cmdr then sprinkle in some PvP missions every 5 or 10 levels, but by that time the focus should shift to PVP.

    Thats where you are wrong i am conflicted on pve and pvp for the klingon empire sure i want the best warriors on my side , but i dont wanna take away from exploring klingon culture and history but if the pve is just go grin 5 npc space or ground its not what i want for anyone in any game.

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=167760 please take a look into this thread we discuss exactly this .
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    When you say most I assume you mean what is left and prefer SPvP. Most of the BG's I know that left prefer PvE content. Yes it would be nice to have more lower level PvE for KDF, but there some BG that like TF's and other team PvE content. I suggest you read more of the KDF section. KDF have been calling for more content, even end game content, ships and so on for a long time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    PvPers who get hung up on wanting Klingons to be completely PvP with hardly any PvE are dooming the Klingon Empire, a vast Majority of People would want to be Klingon but the lack of PvE kills them from coming over, this is a fact.

    Alot of Klingons left the game already back around beta when Klingons were announced to be PvP only.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I have my 2 Klingon characters and have done a minimal amount of PvP, but would love to have more PvE content to flesh them out.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    With hardly any klingons, they need to Start from the bottom and work their way up. High Level Klingons always have something to do, its the Low Level klingons that have Nothing at all to do.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    With hardly any klingons, they need to Start from the bottom and work their way up. High Level Klingons always have something to do, its the Low Level klingons that have Nothing at all to do.

    did you eaven bother to read my thread at all or are just blinded that im a high level klingon?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    tarjan wrote: »
    did you eaven bother to read my thread at all or are just blinded that im a high level klingon?

    I read your thread, but as a high level Klingon you have Missions in Gamma Orionis, but those are PvE so maybe you dont count that. But you can actually (eventually) PvP even with long-ish Queue times.

    at Low level, Klingons cant do anything. Nebulas dont pay diddly XP, theres no PvE missions and you can wait forever at Lt 9 in a Queue and NEVER get in. Its basically broken down here. So your not going to get new Klingon Players to help improve things up where you are.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    The real reason for klingon stinking is that the KDF places a lower priority on cleanliness than the Federation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I agree with your points, CmdrNightfire. The Lieutenant-tier experience for Klingons is atrociously bad, and PVP for that level is the scarcest of all. Lieutenant Feds are hardly worried about doing PVP, and even if they decide to queue up, they are hopelessly doomed... Starfleet Frigates are woefully underpowered compared to the Tier1 Birds of Prey, it's simply no match!

    Besides trying to get into a PVP queue, all there is at Lieutenant level is Empire Defense... which is nothing more than a static Deep Space Encounter. A couple low-level missions, even if they are cookie cutter patrol missions, would vastly improve this section of the KDF experience. These introductory missions need not be unique at all! Just the fact that they're available is enough.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I agree with your points, CmdrNightfire. The Lieutenant-tier experience for Klingons is atrociously bad, and PVP for that level is the scarcest of all. Lieutenant Feds are hardly worried about doing PVP, and even if they decide to queue up, they are hopelessly doomed... Starfleet Frigates are woefully underpowered compared to the Tier1 Birds of Prey, it's simply no match!

    Besides trying to get into a PVP queue, all there is at Lieutenant level is Empire Defense... which is nothing more than a static Deep Space Encounter. A couple low-level missions, even if they are cookie cutter patrol missions, would vastly improve this section of the KDF experience. These introductory missions need not be unique at all! Just the fact that they're available is enough.

    Exactly Kill! Im glad someone understands what Im saying. Alot of High Level Klingons always Complain theres hardly any other Klingons, but that wont change so long as newbie klingons have such a bad starting experience which is why I think its in there best interest to push for that to get fixed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I'll concede that Lt. Commander is a tad mundane.

    But I can't really agree with any assessment that the Lt. tier is bad since Klingons skip HALF of it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Exactly Kill! Im glad someone understands what Im saying. Alot of High Level Klingons always Complain theres hardly any other Klingons, but that wont change so long as newbie klingons have such a bad starting experience which is why I think its in there best interest to push for that to get fixed.

    After levelling a couple of Klingon and a couple of Fed alts, I've found that those story PVE missions on Fed side, after you've done the exact same thing a couple times, are just as grindy as the stuff on Klingon side. And unlike the grind on Klingon side, they take longer and give less experience.

    Obviously, if they throw in new content at low levels to either faction, people will roll alts to do the new content. But that'll have a shelf life. Once you've done it a couple of times, the 'new' wears off.

    At this point, I prefer levelling Klingon side, because its faster and more efficient if you know what you're doing, and none of the content on either side is 'new' to me anymore.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    did u try go grind defend sector missions as a fed ? we dont get them as klings trust me they are the fastest exp in game..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    When you say most I assume you mean what is left and prefer SPvP. Most of the BG's I know that left prefer PvE content. Yes it would be nice to have more lower level PvE for KDF, but there some BG that like TF's and other team PvE content. I suggest you read more of the KDF section. KDF have been calling for more content, even end game content, ships and so on for a long time.

    We've been raising hell and calling for Klingon PvE before Closed beta was even released. I'm not sure how they missed the memo and I'm not sure why people think they are going to seriously try and fix the problem now. All we ehard in Beta was how compelling the PvP experience is and how different it is from Fed side. How it makes soo much more sense on the Klingon side of hte fence. Yet here we are. This is the Grand unique PvP experience of the Klingons. It's identical to the federation side.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    maybe make fed vs fed pvp something that only happens at max rank?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    If it had been up to me this is what I would have done.

    First Arenas are fine how they are but make them FvF or KvK. It's for combat simulations or duels.

    Fvk should be territory control type stuff. Mission in their own right and preferably having the results effect the metagame outcime of the war.

    I would also have split the Klingon Empire in half. Half of them are Duras and the other Half the High Council. Embroil them in anothe Civil war. You could then add all kinds of PvE content where the Klingons are dealign with this Civil war. At the same time the High Council Klingons are still allied wiht the federation and able to move and assit with their missions as well.

    On top of that you could have people fight for the Duras side and have a second Internal Civil war metagame similar to the KvF war. Klingon players can just play however they want. If they are in Federation space they are flying to the high council. If they are fightng in PvP then they are fighting the war for Duras.

    This would have given players plenty of PvP and Pve options. It wouldn't have isolated the KLingons from the Federation but they would still be able to maintain tehir identity. It would also open up PvE opportunities for the fed by opening up Klingon space to them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I read your thread, but as a high level Klingon you have Missions in Gamma Orionis, but those are PvE so maybe you dont count that. But you can actually (eventually) PvP even with long-ish Queue times.

    at Low level, Klingons cant do anything. Nebulas dont pay diddly XP, theres no PvE missions and you can wait forever at Lt 9 in a Queue and NEVER get in. Its basically broken down here. So your not going to get new Klingon Players to help improve things up where you are.
    I assume you mean the TF's. On the KDF side, since there is allegance restrictions, it takes longer to build the team then to run the TF. The only other PvE content we have is FA, Dailies like B'Tran. I can only assume you are new to the KDF, or not at all.
    Inquizitor wrote: »
    We've been raising hell and calling for Klingon PvE before Closed beta was even released. I'm not sure how they missed the memo and I'm not sure why people think they are going to seriously try and fix the problem now. All we ehard in Beta was how compelling the PvP experience is and how different it is from Fed side. How it makes soo much more sense on the Klingon side of hte fence. Yet here we are. This is the Grand unique PvP experience of the Klingons. It's identical to the federation side.
    The one thing I can agree on with him, and once people see how much more fun it is to be KDF, lower PvE content will help build the ranks and give some casual KDF players a reason to start a new KDF. Personally, I would like: good story content for people to be able to PvE to BG; remove allegance restrictions; give us a D-7 chassy for all ranks; some variation in ship builds, or a uni comm BOff. Then move on to the RSE. I think that would make a lot of existing KDF content as ranks would grow, and/or be able to team with anyone in Gamma for TF's.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Of course being a Klingon stinks. In all the years of star trek, I've never seen a klingon bathroom or shower. Their ship quarters are boxes with a rectangle for a bed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I assume you mean the TF's. On the KDF side, since there is allegance restrictions, it takes longer to build the team then to run the TF. The only other PvE content we have is FA, Dailies like B'Tran. I can only assume you are new to the KDF, or not at all.

    The one thing I can agree on with him, and once people see how much more fun it is to be KDF, lower PvE content will help build the ranks and give some casual KDF players a reason to start a new KDF. Personally, I would like: good story content for people to be able to PvE to BG; remove allegance restrictions; give us a D-7 chassy for all ranks; some variation in ship builds, or a uni comm BOff. Then move on to the RSE. I think that would make a lot of existing KDF content as ranks would grow, and/or be able to team with anyone in Gamma for TF's.

    Yes im new to the KDF, its why im posting from a newbie Klingon perspective, because of all the problems Leveling, its slower then Everquest was to level up a new Klingon. I also tried to do some PvP and can never get into it, about the only thing I could do was War Zone missions and T'ong Nebula, and Kahless Expanse. And considering how much XP it takes to level up to Lt Cmdr, and all I get is 51xp, there is a major problem there. I would enjoy playing a klingon but as it is, its way too boring and annoying, It seriously Makes Everquest look good and I hated Everquest.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    One thing I can say is... DAMN feds need to be nerfed... we klingons have been nerfed to near extinction pvp-wise to the point where it is ridiculous. Then add the total lack of ANY content at all whatsoever, whether its pvp, pve, customizing options, costumes, playable species, gear, or even dailies and you have one ****** faction so underpowered and boring that ppl laugh at you when you tell them youre in it. CMON cryptic give us some love! Everypatch you sure seem to give enough <more than enough> of it to the feds who dont need anymore....so its obvious you have enough to go around. Not to mention feds have been buffed to superman status and weve been beat around so much with the nerf bat we fight more like french poodles now instead of klingons.

    Its like everybody hates klingons and wants to see them fail and be doomed and cryptics leading the charge.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I suggest you read more of the KDF section. KDF have been calling for more content, even end game content, ships and so on for a long time.

    I apologize if I read this post wrong, but I think the the assumption that he didn't read the KDF section supports the idea that players on the Klingon side isn't being heard and there should be more posts like this on this board.
    PvPers who get hung up on wanting Klingons to be completely PvP with hardly any PvE are dooming the Klingon Empire, a vast Majority of People would want to be Klingon but the lack of PvE kills them from coming over, this is a fact.

    Alot of Klingons left the game already back around beta when Klingons were announced to be PvP only.

    Couldn't agree more, one of the things I looked forward to the most when I first started playing this game was leveling a Klingon in a simular fashion to leveling my Fed (In an appropriate Klingon fashion though :-) ).
    gx4th wrote:
    Of course being a Klingon stinks. In all the years of star trek, I've never seen a klingon bathroom or shower. Their ship quarters are boxes with a rectangle for a bed.

    Good point, however, this is a massive MULTIPLAYER online role playing game. If content for a Klingon to an almost equal scale to that of a Klingon isn't important because they werent that detailed in any of the series then I don't see the point of having the faction at all. The culture of the Sith werent detailed at all in any of the Star Wars movies yet you can level one up in just an interesting method as you can with a Jedi in Knights of The Old Republic (You even get to see how they're officially trained and visit the homeworld).

    As much as I'd love to see more PvE I think it would be unrealistic to think it's ever going to be as interesting and balanced as the Fed side. The only way I can see it done is if we got one huge patch dedicated to Klingon's only, which I honestly think should have came before new ship interiors, retrofitted ships, minigames, etc. I think it should have been one of the first patches...

    My main problem with the Klingon side is it feels very bland to the point where it almost feels like I'm playing a first shooter (You don't advance much, limited customization, barely any story drive, etc.) When I play my Fed on PvE missions with all the customizeable stuff that I can do to my ship and uniforms it makes me feel like I'm in the shoes of a starfleet officer as cheesy as that may sound which to me, is what's supposed to make an MMO so different from a first shooter or any other type of online game.

    But overall, from what I've read of the new Klingon content coming up I think they're introducing a new interesting storyline. I can imagine how difficult it is to come up with a variety of stories for the Klingons since there's not much canonical references.
    Inquizitor wrote:
    I would also have split the Klingon Empire in half. Half of them are Duras and the other Half the High Council. Embroil them in anothe Civil war. You could then add all kinds of PvE content where the Klingons are dealign with this Civil war. At the same time the High Council Klingons are still allied wiht the federation and able to move and assit with their missions as well.

    On top of that you could have people fight for the Duras side and have a second Internal Civil war metagame similar to the KvF war. Klingon players can just play however they want. If they are in Federation space they are flying to the high council. If they are fightng in PvP then they are fighting the war for Duras.

    I think this is the mentallity we need to go for and post our ideas on thi board so it will be more likely heard. I know I'm being somewhat of a hypocrite when I say this but i think rather than making posts as simple and general as "Klingon's need more PvE content and customizations" we should put in the effort of doing a little research, using our creative minds to make more specific ideas. There's a post somewhere on the boards of new costumes for Feds with a LOT of suggestions for new uniforms, if we can start making posts like the maybe it will give the Dev's more ideas and motivation to add Klingon content.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Geoff_484 wrote:
    I apologize if I read this post wrong, but I think the the assumption that he didn't read the KDF section supports the idea that players on the Klingon side isn't being heard and there should be more posts like this on this board.



    Couldn't agree more, one of the things I looked forward to the most when I first started playing this game was leveling a Klingon in a simular fashion to leveling my Fed (In an appropriate Klingon fashion though :-) ).



    Good point, however, this is a massive MULTIPLAYER online role playing game. If content for a Klingon to an almost equal scale to that of a Klingon isn't important because they werent that detailed in any of the series then I don't see the point of having the faction at all. The culture of the Sith werent detailed at all in any of the Star Wars movies yet you can level one up in just an interesting method as you can with a Jedi in Knights of The Old Republic (You even get to see how they're officially trained and visit the homeworld).

    As much as I'd love to see more PvE I think it would be unrealistic to think it's ever going to be as interesting and balanced as the Fed side. The only way I can see it done is if we got one huge patch dedicated to Klingon's only, which I honestly think should have came before new ship interiors, retrofitted ships, minigames, etc. I think it should have been one of the first patches...

    My main problem with the Klingon side is it feels very bland to the point where it almost feels like I'm playing a first shooter (You don't advance much, limited customization, barely any story drive, etc.) When I play my Fed on PvE missions with all the customizeable stuff that I can do to my ship and uniforms it makes me feel like I'm in the shoes of a starfleet officer as cheesy as that may sound which to me, is what's supposed to make an MMO so different from a first shooter or any other type of online game.

    But overall, from what I've read of the new Klingon content coming up I think they're introducing a new interesting storyline. I can imagine how difficult it is to come up with a variety of stories for the Klingons since there's not much canonical references.



    I think this is the mentallity we need to go for and post our ideas on thi board so it will be more likely heard. I know I'm being somewhat of a hypocrite when I say this but i think rather than making posts as simple and general as "Klingon's need more PvE content and customizations" we should put in the effort of doing a little research, using our creative minds to make more specific ideas. There's a post somewhere on the boards of new costumes for Feds with a LOT of suggestions for new uniforms, if we can start making posts like the maybe it will give the Dev's more ideas and motivation to add Klingon content.


    Yeah man thats nice but, that is what cryptic should be doing,, so in essence you want us to do there job for them... sigh why cant they just do it? That's my question/
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yeah man thats nice but, that is what cryptic should be doing,, so in essence you want us to do there job for them... sigh why cant they just do it? That's my question/

    You've got a good point, however, this is just an assumption, but I think things like ship interiors, galaxy-x, minigames, dabo, diplomatic missions, etc. etc. etc. coming with Season 2 might be due to high requests and suggestions from the community. On top of that, they are showing some initiative with the new PvE story lines coming up for the KDF side (Which personally, like I said before, is pretty original and clever).

    You're right, it is Cryptic's job to come up with the new content and customization for Klingon's. But, it is also their job to listen to what is demanded the most and I hate to say it, but Fed content is winning that because there's tons of people who have new, detailed ideas (Such as minigames and diplomatic missions) for the Fed side.

    Like I said before, that's all asssumption, but to me it seems like a lot of the content that's coming with Season 2 were inspired by ideas posted here.

    We don't get that much content for KDF probably because we don't ask for it. Don't take this offensively but the only posts I ever see on THIS board regarding KDF content is simply "OH Feds shouldn't get cloak" or "We don't have any customizeable options" or "We have a complete lack of PvE" meanwhile prime Fed players are pumping out more and more ideas regarding ship designs (interior and exterior), uniform ideas, PvE ideas, the list goes on.

    I don't think I've ever seen a more specific posts compared to Fed players other than "Playing Klingon's are boring... Do something about it... I don't know what... Just do something..."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Geoff_484 wrote:
    You've got a good point, however, this is just an assumption, but I think things like ship interiors, galaxy-x, minigames, dabo, diplomatic missions, etc. etc. etc. coming with Season 2 might be due to high requests and suggestions from the community. On top of that, they are showing some initiative with the new PvE story lines coming up for the KDF side (Which personally, like I said before, is pretty original and clever).

    You're right, it is Cryptic's job to come up with the new content and customization for Klingon's. But, it is also their job to listen to what is demanded the most and I hate to say it, but Fed content is winning that because there's tons of people who have new, detailed ideas (Such as minigames and diplomatic missions) for the Fed side.

    Like I said before, that's all asssumption, but to me it seems like a lot of the content that's coming with Season 2 were inspired by ideas posted here.

    We don't get that much content for KDF probably because we don't ask for it. Don't take this offensively but the only posts I ever see on THIS board regarding KDF content is simply "OH Feds shouldn't get cloak" or "We don't have any customizeable options" or "We have a complete lack of PvE" meanwhile prime Fed players are pumping out more and more ideas regarding ship designs (interior and exterior), uniform ideas, PvE ideas, the list goes on.

    I don't think I've ever seen a more specific posts compared to Fed players other than "Playing Klingon's are boring... Do something about it... I don't know what... Just do something..."

    Well the reason klingon players arent s vocal <besides from being the minority> is that Cryptic DOESNT listen to us when we bring issues to the table just ask ANY klingon player or ALL the klingons players in the klingon forums..... issues we have been complaining about dont get adressed until our content is *****d out to the federation and then they notice it is wrong and complain... only then does it get addressed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Well the reason klingon players arent s vocal <besides from being the minority> is that Cryptic DOESNT listen to us when we bring issues to the table just ask ANY klingon player or ALL the klingons players in the klingon forums..... issues we have been complaining about dont get adressed until our content is *****d out to the federation and then they notice it is wrong and complain... only then does it get addressed.

    To be honest I havent seen much on this forum at all except for gteneral complaining that we've heard a hundred times over. I'm not trying to be offensive or anything but I've never seen a post more specific than what's going on here.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Geoff_484 wrote:
    To be honest I havent seen much on this forum at all except for gteneral complaining that we've heard a hundred times over. I'm not trying to be offensive or anything but I've never seen a post more specific than what's going on here.

    Oh well in that case go visit the BoP or General klingon discussion or kling gameplay boards on this forum there it all is documented, non whiny <well most of it> and very specific.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Oh well in that case go visit the BoP or General klingon discussion or kling gameplay boards on this forum there it all is documented, non whiny <well most of it> and very specific.

    That's my point, maybe we'd get heard more if we posted in Star Trek Online Discussion like a lot of Fed players do?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Geoff_484 wrote:
    That's my point, maybe we'd get heard more if we posted in Star Trek Online Discussion like a lot of Fed players do?

    Just what this forum needs, more complaints to start another tirade of endless debates and flaming.

    That said, if its a constructive post with legitimate reasons to change things, then all the power to ya.

    If its a whine/QQ post, the DEVS will continue to ignore you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    sovereign wrote: »
    Just what this forum needs, more complaints to start another tirade of endless debates and flaming.

    That said, if its a constructive post with legitimate reasons to change things, then all the power to ya.

    If its a whine/QQ post, the DEVS will continue to ignore you.

    Couldn't agree more and i've mentioned that earlier.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    sovereign wrote: »
    Just what this forum needs, more complaints to start another tirade of endless debates and flaming.

    That said, if its a constructive post with legitimate reasons to change things, then all the power to ya.

    If its a whine/QQ post, the DEVS will continue to ignore you.

    Season 2 Sucks bad for Klingons.... so much for the Great Patch for Klingon Content.... :rolleyes:


    oh and by the Way Klingons dont QQ... we have no Tear Ducts.... :cool:
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