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Universal content does not correct Fed/Klingon content imbalance

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In the last Haily Frequency interview, Dan Stahl was asked about the plans for Klingons(beyond the 8 episodes coming out in Season 2) to address the content imbalance between the factions. His response was that that the new weekly episodes, which will be playable by both factions, will help correct this imbalance and that there were not currently anymore Klingon episodes planned.

While it is definitely good news that the new weekly episodes will be for everyone, that has nothing to do with the imbalance of content because BOTH factions will be getting them. As it stands, Feds have way more faction specific content than Klingons. Thankfully, Klingons will be getting a FEW episodes in Season 2. However, the imbalance will ALWAYS exist until Klingons have nearly the same amount of faction specific episodes that the Feds do. Adding universal content that everyone can play has nothing to do with the current imbalance in faction specific episodes.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    This 'content imbalance' isn't a moral issue. Its a practical issue. The practical issue is that Klingons who want to level purely through PVE don't have mission episodes to do it with. What DStahl actually said in the interview was that because the new Weekly Missions are playable at any level, they could be used by Klingon side characters to level up, therefore the practical issue of them not having story episodes to do while levelling was addressed by them.

    Going back and producing low-level Klingon specific story episodes is a waste of time and dev resources. I agree with him. Why spend that time and money on something for a small segment of the player base, when you can make content for the entire playerbase that addresses the relevant issue?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    This 'content imbalance' isn't a moral issue. Its a practical issue. The practical issue is that Klingons who want to level purely through PVE don't have mission episodes to do it with. What DStahl actually said in the interview was that because the new Weekly Missions are playable at any level, they could be used by Klingon side characters to level up, therefore the practical issue of them not having story episodes to do while levelling was addressed by them.

    Going back and producing low-level Klingon specific story episodes is a waste of time and dev resources. I agree with him. Why spend that time and money on something for a small segment of the player base, when you can make content for the entire playerbase that addresses the relevant issue?

    Something else he said in the interviews is that creating a new playable faction(like Romulans) would be a disservice to Klingons since they currently have nowhere near the level of content that the Feds do. So by your argument above, are you suggesting that no FUTURE factions should have very much faction-specific content either, or just Klingons? Do you think that when Romulans and Cardassians are finally added that they should basically have the same universal content as everyone else rather than anything related to their faction?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    In a recent interview(I actually cant remember whether it was STOked or Haily Frequency, but it was one or the other), Dan Stahl was asked if any more Klingon episodes were planned(beyond the 8 coming out in Season 2) to address the content imbalance between Fed and Klingons. His response was that that the new weekly episodes, which will be playable by both factions, will help correct this imbalance and that there were not currently anymore Klingon episodes planned.

    While it is definitely good news that the new weekly episodes will be for everyone, that has nothing to do with the imbalance of content because BOTH factions will be getting them. As it stands, Feds have way more content than Klingons. Thankfully, Klingons will be getting a FEW episodes in Season 2. However, the imbalance will ALWAYS exist until Klingons have nearly the same amount of faction specific episodes that the Feds do. Adding universal content that everyone can play has nothing to do with the current imbalance in faction specific episodes.

    i fully agree with you the shared missions arent helping really its still an imbalance but as i said as klingon content exploring the reason why klingons fight and what drives klingons not just we are at war cause we are a waring race... dont need many missions , then focus on the pvp aspect , right now u got 2 factions in game one that has 90% pve and 10% pvp and the other side is like 10% pve and 90%pvp this can work for the pve faction but not for the pvp faction cause one side is dependandt on the other for its leveling speed...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Of course it doesn't.

    What it does offer is something to help fill the void. Content available to both Klingons and Feds is still content available to Klingons, so they are getting content, that they can play, and use to level up.

    So it doesn't correct the imbalance. But it gives Klingons content, which is what those like me who just want to level a Klingon have been wanting since launch. Now I'm going to get it, I'm content with that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Going back and producing low-level Klingon specific story episodes is a waste of time and dev resources.

    How is it a waste of time? For a new Klingon, it is not. I steered clear of Klingons since launch because I generally dislike PVP. However, I rolled a Klingon and I enjoy it (even the ship PVP). I like to do other things that just sit and wait to battle someone. As others have said, adding more content for Klingons across the board will make them more attractive to play.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    This 'content imbalance' isn't a moral issue. Its a practical issue. The practical issue is that Klingons who want to level purely through PVE don't have mission episodes to do it with. What DStahl actually said in the interview was that because the new Weekly Missions are playable at any level, they could be used by Klingon side characters to level up, therefore the practical issue of them not having story episodes to do while levelling was addressed by them.

    Going back and producing low-level Klingon specific story episodes is a waste of time and dev resources. I agree with him. Why spend that time and money on something for a small segment of the player base, when you can make content for the entire playerbase that addresses the relevant issue?

    Wow... Just ... Wow...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Hopefully there will be new Klingon missions every so often but universal missions do help. In a years time hopefully the Klingons will have maybe 80 episodes to the federation's 120 assuming that each fed mission spawns a Klingon mission, then in two years it will be 132 to 172 which isn't a shrinking gap but the ratio is getting smaller. And even if the ratio wasn't getting smaller having 132 episodes is still not a bad thing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I'd also like to point out that while no new Klingon episodes are planned I doubt any new federation ones are either until season three anyway.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    If you can not say something nice, say nothing at all. All I am going to say on this thread because I can not say what I want to say to certain people....

    Pro-Klingon content by the way. We need more, and I hate to have to be this specific, but we need Klingon EXCLUSIVE content.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Hopefully there will be new Klingon missions every so often but universal missions do help.

    If Cryptic would just say they plan on releasing a new Klingon episode every SEASON I would almost be satisfied. The main thing I want to hear is that they ARE working on more Klingon EPISODES, not just universal content.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    If Cryptic would just say they plan on releasing a new Klingon episode every SEASON I would almost be satisfied. The main thing I want to hear is that they ARE working on more Klingon EPISODES, not just universal content.

    But they aren't even working on any fed missions, lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    But they aren't even working on any fed missions, lol

    I should hope not, since Feds have a ton more than Klingons. What I'm saying is, they should keep making Klingon episodes, even if 1 person season(which is a very slow rate) until Klingons have nearly as many as Feds have.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I should hope not, since Feds have a ton more than Klingons. What I'm saying is, they should keep making Klingon episodes, even if 1 person season(which is a very slow rate) until Klingons have nearly as many as Feds have.

    Since they hav't said anything even close to firm about season three other than possibly maybe UGC if they can squeeze it in I don't think they're going to make their one firm action Klingon episodes.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I just think it's premature to be getting upset, like getting mad that they havn't confirmed a romulan faction will be in by three years time. On a side note dstahl said no Rommies until Klingons are fleshed out.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I just think it's premature to be getting upset, like getting mad that they havn't confirmed a romulan faction will be in by three years time. On a side note dstahl said no Rommies until Klingons are fleshed out.

    yes and the 8 episodes is a good start but it still dont adress the pvp problems in this game :P
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    tarjan wrote: »
    yes and the 8 episodes is a good start but it still dont adress the pvp problems in this game :P

    Good point, I love PvP but I hardly do it anymore.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Agree with this thread. As a stopgap to make leveling a Klingon character bearable for the PvP-disinclined (or those just really, really bored by PvP as designed in STO) universal missions are a 'maybe', but there's still going to be overall less to do so the replay value is still much lesser.

    There was a time when I thought Exploration was going to be varied and interesting and exciting... *sigh*.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Id kinda like to see them dedicate themselves to evening out the PVE first. But if they dedicated themselves to just making Klingon stuff to balance it out, the fed QQ would be earsplitting.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I just think it's premature to be getting upset, like getting mad that they havn't confirmed a romulan faction will be in by three years time. On a side note dstahl said no Rommies until Klingons are fleshed out.

    Um...while I dont think a person should really let a video game truly "upset" them, I dont think there will ever be anything "premature" about Klingon players "disliking" the huge content imbalance that exists between the factions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    We need more KDF specific missions.
    Cryptic fsaid they have abandoned the concept of KDF being a PvP only faction.
    Prove it!
    8 specific missions are not enough.
    KDF PvE players deserve the same opportunity to level by PvE content if they wish just like the Federation.
    The KDF faction will remain small until Cryptic treat them with Parity of esteem and promote them.
    If Cryptic doesn't it bodes badly for the developement of any other faction like the Romulans.

    I've played the Federation mission content.
    There is lots of scope to re-work already existing content into playable KDF missions.
    Cryptic are your developement tools so bad you can't re-work this existing content into KDF missions within a reasonable amount of time?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Um...while I dont think a person should really let a video game truly "upset" them, I dont think there will ever be anything "premature" about Klingon players "disliking" the huge content imbalance that exists between the factions.

    But you didn't just say you disliked it, you said you wanted confirmation that they are working on new Klingon exclusive episodes right now, before the first 8 have even launched so technically they are working on new klingon episodes. Season three is three months away at very best, we'll say four to be more accurate. Anyway they havn't even started talking about new features that will be available in season three which is way bigger than any episodes. Maybe in a month they'll be able to announce what features will be in and then a month after that announce how many Klingon episodes there will be.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    But you didn't just say you disliked it, you said you wanted confirmation that they are working on new Klingon exclusive episodes right now, before the first 8 have even launched so technically they are working on new klingon episodes.

    Actually, what I said is that I would like to hear that they plan to continue making new Klingon episodes post Season 2.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    the KDF will always be undeveloped. i doubt even five years from now the klingons will have the same level as content as the feds in terms of pve.

    universal missions are a good idea and most likely the future. i would still like to see unique KDF missions added. However in 6 months they basically managed to make between task forces, klingon missions, universal missions, diplomatic missions and weekend missions that number around 20 to 25 missions?

    the feds have about 45 unique missions and about 90 patrol missions. to get close to that level would probably require about a year or more of pretty much solid klingon stuff.

    that is not going to happen. not with the bulk of the players being feds.

    klingons are a pvp faction and thats not going to change so they should probably try and work on making pvp much bigger and better than it is now. concentrate on making pvp the best, most exciting pvp in an mmo, whilst keeping the universal missions there for people who like to pve.

    the Klingons were undeveloped and nothing is going to change that, and cryptic are not going to make 100% klingons patches for the next 12 months, so lets shift focus and improve the side of the klingons gameplay that they are built around.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    oh come on. they already said theyd be working on fleshing out klingons more and theyre getting a good bunch of eps for season 2. And a unique enemy group that is presumably mystical/magical. I'm not sure why everyone dismisses 8 episodes as meaningless; I didn't even play one episode per level on my fed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Nefertari wrote: »
    How is it a waste of time? For a new Klingon, it is not. I steered clear of Klingons since launch because I generally dislike PVP. However, I rolled a Klingon and I enjoy it (even the ship PVP). I like to do other things that just sit and wait to battle someone. As others have said, adding more content for Klingons across the board will make them more attactive to play.
    /agreed - I enjoy GPvP, SPvP, TF, and PvE.
    I should hope not, since Feds have a ton more than Klingons. What I'm saying is, they should keep making Klingon episodes, even if 1 person season(which is a very slow rate) until Klingons have nearly as many as Feds have.
    That's not going to happen. I am hoping they have enough PvE content for KDF players with real stories, rewards, and to level a toon to BG without PvP for those that do not like PvP.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Something else he said in the interviews is that creating a new playable faction(like Romulans) would be a disservice to Klingons since they currently have nowhere near the level of content that the Feds do. So by your argument above, are you suggesting that no FUTURE factions should have very much faction-specific content either, or just Klingons? Do you think that when Romulans and Cardassians are finally added that they should basically have the same universal content as everyone else rather than anything related to their faction?

    Personally, I'm hoping that future factions have foci other than just being reskins of the Fed faction. So I'm hoping that in the same way the Klingons are PVP focused, with other options available, and the Feds are PVE/story mission focused, with other options available, that the new factions will have some other focus (like say making a Ferengi faction that is primarily focused on a more robust economy system, but with other options). So yes, I would hope that the new factions have some story mission content, some pvp content, and then a focus that isn't fulfilled by the currently existing factions and their gameplay.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Nefertari wrote: »
    How is it a waste of time? For a new Klingon, it is not. I steered clear of Klingons since launch because I generally dislike PVP. However, I rolled a Klingon and I enjoy it (even the ship PVP). I like to do other things that just sit and wait to battle someone. As others have said, adding more content for Klingons across the board will make them more attactive to play.

    Right, there is a subset of the game population, those interested in rolling a Klingon alt if only for story missions, who would appreciate more Klingon story missions. Those of us who like the PVP-focused Klingon faction and have already levelled our toons wouldn't get much out of it. People happy playing Feds who have no interest in playing Klingons wouldn't get much out of it.

    So low-level Klingon story missions would be content that would please part of the player base. New universal content can be enjoyed by the entire player base. Open PVP sectors (which they're also talking about) can be enjoyed by the entire player base. Allowing Klinks and Feds to team up together for STFs benefits the entire player base.

    What all of these things they're currently working on, from the interview, have in common is that they all benefit the entire playerbase. Diverting some of those resources to make content for a part of the player base doesn't make any logical, or business sense.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Personally, I'm hoping that future factions have foci other than just being reskins of the Fed faction. So I'm hoping that in the same way the Klingons are PVP focused, with other options available, and the Feds are PVE/story mission focused, with other options available, that the new factions will have some other focus (like say making a Ferengi faction that is primarily focused on a more robust economy system, but with other options). So yes, I would hope that the new factions have some story mission content, some pvp content, and then a focus that isn't fulfilled by the currently existing factions and their gameplay.

    i agree with this

    every faction should have story missions but also have a unique gameplay mechanic.

    personally i would still had a few extra klingon pve missions but id focus on building up their pvp, or perhaps some form of random planetary conquest or maybe one on one pvp duelling arenas with tournaments.
    open up a new areas to the game in the same way the feds have first contact missions and diplomacy missions.

    romulans should be focused around espionage and assassinations, and manipulating things, ferengi as you say might be traders or scavengers of something that fits their culture. if i play a romulan or a ferengi i should probably feel like one, and doing pve storylines were im saving the galaxy and acting like a hero would not feel right.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    IMO, Star Trek is focused on the story of human exploration of space and how humanity interacts with other species that it encounters. All of the other factions are mere story arcs to add more color and flavor to the telling of humanities trials and tribulations in the galaxy. I strongly believe that STO should reflect that primary focus. With that in mind, no other faction individually warrants being on equal footing with the Feds - mission / story wise. :)

    I'd personally be content with something like a 120 / 40 / 40 / 40 breakdown of missions between the four major factions. All of the missions for the other factions combined together to equal the content provided for the Feds. Maybe even less content if even more factions are planned on being introduced. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Creating multi faction missions is not a bad thing.

    It gives everyone more to play with.

    But If i play a fed the only thing that will drive me to start a Klingon toon will be that 8 Missions that are exclusive to Klingons.



    Also i like to stress the point that a pure PvP Faction was a very legit goal.
    But the game failed at producing good PvP...
    it is a cheap queued multiplayer match system with 3 Maps.

    You just CAN NOT build a PvP Faction with a PvP system like this.

    So instead of improving PVP (not talking about nerfing skills here!), they decided to throw in some PvE content.
    OK nice...
    thank you...
    will play that...
    but it will not solve the issue!
    in a Week that content will be burned through and then we are back to the old boring daily routine.

    What Klingons (and Feds) need is the Open PVP Sector or Sectorcontrol Battles or whatever you want to call it... we need the WAR that was announced to us!
    And that war better doesn't have 50 instances, i want to fight / protect the same area and see how the battle progresses from day to day! If i see a diffrent battlefield everytime i fly into that sector block... then it will be *meh*
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