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I So it's not so much polygon budgets, or data budgets, but I'd say that it's mostly because our team is shrinking, and we still have to continue to put out a lot of other content for the future, that it will be really hard for me to get the political pull to get a couple programmers, an FX guy, and myself a couple weeks to make new models for this cause.

Why is Cryptic already shrinking their teams working on STO? Is it going to be left with a skeleton crew? They're already working on a new game/MMO, but surely they should be concentrating and consolidating their teams and improving and expanding their already existing games...

Other MMO companies manage to make a good solid job out of making a single MMO, and maybe, money allowing, a few other games. Maybe money is shallow in their pockets over there in Cryptic HQ, and if that's the case, I'll work for you guys for free if that's what it takes.

I know that I posting this will not stop your CEO from their big plans, but I still wanted to vent my feelings. Cryptic, you did some great games in the past, but remember, MMO's aren't just for Christmas, they take a lot of care and attention, not just getting on its feet and walking off to find the next big thing. You've got something special here, and with Champions, don't let it slide, please <3

PS, to any Devs that may read this, I do not mean in any way to belittle your work that you're doing, I know almost first hand how hard it is to work on games, and what you have done is nothing to be scrapped, I just don't want to see you guys being shrank and diverted to other projects, when you have two ace MMOs already out there and begging for some love and attention.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    where is that quote from?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    CapnLogan wrote:
    touch
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Where'd you get this quote?

    I have the feeling of out of context but thats a knee-jerk
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Where'd you get this quote?

    This quote specifically:


    "I So it's not so much polygon budgets, or data budgets, but I'd say that it's mostly because our team is shrinking, and we still have to continue to put out a lot of other content for the future, that it will be really hard for me to get the political pull to get a couple programmers, an FX guy, and myself a couple weeks to make new models for this cause. "



    yes, I'd like to know as well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    me too, given the broken beginning part, and Id like to know WHO you are quoting.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    It's from Capnlogan explaining why it's harder to pull enough clout together to get Ablative armor to be done at a higher quality.

    Essentially, the teams is working on other stuff - so the number of people that can work with Capnlogan on ships shrinks as they move on to other parts of STO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Haha, you can shoots me infront of the firing line if it turns out that wasn't actually a quote from "CapnLogan" I got it second hand however, so, it could have been from anyone, but I have seen that they are producing another game already... I just think its sad, if its true, that they're already kinda leaving STO in the dust, its unfair on the devs who've been putting so much time into the game, and to the rest of us.

    Anyway, link to where I got my quotes from;
    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=167775
    First post, 2nd last quote.

    I'll see if I can find the original quote.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    ah so it IS out of context. gj!
    Explains why there havent been any more posts from the OP in this thread I guess.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    It's from Capnlogan explaining why it's harder to pull enough clout together to get Ablative armor to be done at a higher quality.

    Essentially, the teams is working on other stuff - so the number of people that can work with Capnlogan on ships shrinks as they move on to other parts of STO.
    momiji wrote: »
    Haha, you can shoots me infront of the firing line if it turns out that wasn't actually a quote from "CapnLogan" I got it second hand however, so, it could have been from anyone, but I have seen that they are producing another game already... I just think its sad, if its true, that they're already kinda leaving STO in the dust, its unfair on the devs who've been putting so much time into the game, and to the rest of us.

    Anyway, link to where I got my quotes from;
    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=167775
    First post, 2nd last quote.

    I'll see if I can find the original quote.

    Seems like they're just shifting personnel from 1 dept to another, but they're all still working on STO
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    It's from Capnlogan explaining why it's harder to pull enough clout together to get Ablative armor to be done at a higher quality.

    Essentially, the teams is working on other stuff - so the number of people that can work with Capnlogan on ships shrinks as they move on to other parts of STO.
    Correct, I maybe have kinda knee jerk reaction there, but doesn't change the sentiment that MMOs are not just for Christmas ^_^

    Hopefully they've moved to other parts of STO, but, their main company website was advertising a short while back for employees to work on a new MMO for them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    momiji wrote: »
    Why is Cryptic already shrinking their teams working on STO?

    I'd like to know as well, since it was claimed that STO was going to be keeping stable at roughly pre-launch levels and people quitting to go work on other things would get replacements hired.

    I guess the numbers haven't stayed as good as was originally claimed. Not that I'm surprised.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    gx4th wrote: »
    Seems like they're just shifting personnel from 1 dept to another, but they're all still working on STO

    From what I understand, Cryptic organizes into development "pods" or small groups.

    I suspect people are being pulled from one pod to another (i.e. shifting gears toward Season 2.X & 3.X)

    This could be likely.

    Having 2-4 developers on a single set of tech for a week seems a bit too costly.

    We'd all like perfect ablative armor but at what cost? having 3-4 devs that could work on other things?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Hey now, I've posted plenty, I only posted like 5 minutes ago O_o (At least, it feels like only 5 minutes... plus I was kinda scared you guys would rip me to shreds for saying what I said)

    Anyway, to those who didn't see my link the full post;
    touch
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I'd like to know as well, since it was claimed that STO was going to be keeping stable at roughly pre-launch levels and people quitting to go work on other things would get replacements hired.

    I guess the numbers haven't stayed as good as was originally claimed. Not that I'm surprised.

    A friend told me theyre working on yet another MMO already. Given that its not a huge surprise if it WAS shrinking.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    That'd make sense, but still doesn't negate the fact they're working on another MMO/game x_X
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    A friend told me theyre working on yet another MMO already. Given that its not a huge surprise if it WAS shrinking.
    Just before release, they'd posted a big advert on their main website for people to work on a new MMO/Game they were going to make, there were rumours, and whilst rumours can't be trusted, they gotta come from somewhere, that the team on STO would be shrank to move to the new project, much in the same way the team working on Champions was moved to STO, leaving Champions with a smaller team producing periodic patches and content, how this has affected Champions I can't say, because I havn't played in a while.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    It's a quote from CapnLogan,

    klick -> http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2841322&postcount=106

    i raised an eyebrow reading this...
    but i didn't say anything because
    i think he did probably mean the STO Shipteam that was 3 people before and now is 2 (because one was re-assigned to do costumes).

    Maybe he just meant Gozer and Zinc leaving?

    Maybe he let something slip that he wasnt supposed to, but thats a big maybe...

    i'm not ready to cry DOOOOM just yet.

    //edit: jeez you guys are fast... page 2 allready? XD
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    momiji wrote: »
    Just before release, they'd posted a big advert on their main website for people to work on a new MMO/Game they were going to make, there were rumours, and whilst rumours can't be trusted, they gotta come from somewhere, that the team on STO would be shrank to move to the new project, much in the same way the team working on Champions was moved to STO, leaving Champions with a smaller team producing periodic patches and content, how this has affected Champions I can't say, because I havn't played in a while.

    Champs has had some solid advancements since launch. It's quite good, imo.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    From what I understand, Cryptic organizes into development "pods" or small groups.

    I suspect people are being pulled from one pod to another (i.e. shifting gears toward Season 2.X & 3.X)

    of course... they are AGILE
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yes, this does seem grim. I wonder if their team is shrinking due to cholera or malaria. Perhaps it was a zombie attack, or the Borg assimilated some of their team. Without further details, we'll just have to make up our on conjectures :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
    It's a quote from CapnLogan,

    klick -> http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2841322&postcount=106

    i raised an eyebrow reading this...
    but i didn't say anything because
    i think he did probably mean the STO Shipteam that was 3 people before and now is 2 (because one was re-assigned to do costumes).

    Maybe he just meant Gozer and Zinc leaving?

    Maybe he let something slip that he wasnt supposed to, but thats a big maybe...

    i'm not ready to cry DOOOOM just yet.

    //edit: jeez you guys are fast... page 2 allready? XD

    Im not shouting DOOOOOOM but two of the devs leaving, rumors of a new mmo, well I hope this MMO is doing really well (despite what the forums say) because that would start to worry me
    Obsidius wrote: »
    Yes, this does seem grim. I wonder if their team is shrinking due to cholera or malaria. Perhaps it was a zombie attack, or the Borg assimilated some of their team. Without further details, we'll just have to make up our on conjectures :p

    Since when would that influence a forum population? lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Diluant wrote:
    of course... they are AGILE
    Stranger things have happened than re-prioritizing a workforce based on a cost-benefit analysis....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    For all this talk and analysis of a dev quote, I feel something's missing.

    Bender, please do the honors!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
    It's a quote from CapnLogan,

    klick -> http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2841322&postcount=106

    i raised an eyebrow reading this...
    but i didn't say anything because
    i think he did probably mean the STO Shipteam that was 3 people before and now is 2 (because one was re-assigned to do costumes).

    Maybe he just meant Gozer and Zinc leaving?

    Maybe he let something slip that he wasnt supposed to, but thats a big maybe...

    i'm not ready to cry DOOOOM just yet.

    //edit: jeez you guys are fast... page 2 allready? XD

    I hope it doesn't sound like a doom thread, at least not TOO much, I tried my best to stay away from too much unfounded "IT's the end, everything will go to pot because of this!!!" Maybe you're right and it's just a teeny 3 down to 2 because one guy is assigned to costumes, but we probably won't know, maybe they can tell us, maybe they can't, maybe they would, but are terrified because someone like me will post calls for pitch forks and a burning at the steak because they won't like that they hear...
    Champs has had some solid advancements since launch. It's quite good, imo.
    Oooh, I may pay it a visit then, I've been toying with going back to Champions for a month.

    Obsidius wrote: »
    Yes, this does seem grim. I wonder if their team is shrinking due to cholera or malaria. Perhaps it was a zombie attack, or the Borg assimilated some of their team. Without further details, we'll just have to make up our on conjectures :p
    My bet is somewhere between a Zombie and a Borg attack... maybe a Zombie Borg attacking them?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Well the higher ups at Cryptic allready stated that they want to make as many games with one engine as possible.

    And in the End... the more games use this Engine the more features we will get into STO.

    Accolade System and Sidekicking are Copy jobs from CO for example, they just had to make the Tech go for STO but the idea wasn't a new one.

    So if game and team nr. 3 comes into play they will have new requirements again which then will end up in giving new ideas to STO and CO.

    That is how they work, and that is good for us because the Engine will evolve over time instead of beeing stuck in one place and outdated by the next one that comes along.

    So Game nr. 3 is of no concerne for us realy.

    If the start firing people because STO is doing bad.... THAT would be concerning, but that little quote could pretty much mean anything.

    It still raises an Eyebrow.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    momiji wrote: »
    My bet is somewhere between a Zombie and a Borg attack... maybe a Zombie Borg attacking them?

    If I were a dev, I'd push for a Borg vs. Survivor maze map (with hazards) - ala Left 4 Dead meets STO. :D

    That'd be a quick an easy job - if they could analyze how it works over at Champions down the hall. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Champs has had some solid advancements since launch. It's quite good, imo.

    That's the funny thing... while I have no interest in returning to CO at the moment, I don't bitterly regret buying it like I'm starting to with STO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    That's the funny thing... while I have no interest in returning to CO at the moment, I don't bitterly regret buying it like I'm starting to with STO.
    Have you enjoyed anything in the game since launch?

    If so, is the complaint more about meta-game stuff (c-store, etc.) than the game itself?

    Ignoring the c-store, there's still a good game (especially with Season 2's welcome changes)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    thats WAY out of context. but it is still worrying that the team is shrinking.

    implying they are still LOSING members. as in ongoing loss.

    and the losses arent stopping.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Cruis.In wrote: »
    thats WAY out of context. but it is still worrying that the team is shrinking.

    implying they are still LOSING members. as in ongoing loss.

    and the losses arent stopping.

    That's not really what's being implied. It may very well be that resources are being pulled to work on the updates in 2.0 and ablative armor isn't exactly a top priority item.
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