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So you bought STO and entered the game and noticed the graphics look shocking, even though you have a half decent rig?

Other games such as EQ2, you don't need an uber machine or uber graphics card to take advantage of the great graphics. Where in this game they dont even get close to the graphics there EQ2 ( yet the machine or game seems to chug along badly at most times. Is this lag from playing on an american server, when I am in the UK? I reckon this could be one of the reasons for my problem)

I turn up gfx for EQ2 and they have some pretty high demanding settings for the average machine. I never get any problems at all. Never get problems, and the speccs for that game running in uber stupid mode are far and in excess of this game. But what I want to know is, why are the speccs so high for a game with such bad graphics?

You turn the graphics up expecting them to be good, and they are not. Not only do they not look that much different but then we get choppiness going on all the time. So I am forced to reduce the settings back to wire mesh look.

My system can happily handle any modern game at high or very high / uber settings with no problems. But this game I get nothing but choppy stuff happening, more particularly on landing party quests (which I hate, everything looks aweful!!). The graphics are just about on a par with wow, and we know wow has low system speccs even on the upper speccs they are still very low compared to this game.

Most people have said the same thing to me in game, its the game not your rig or card. If it can handle crysis maxed out then this game graphically pales in comparison to it.

Now the question is.

Is this game DirectX 10 compliant?
Is it able to be run under 64bit?
Is it even aware of the second, third or forth processor? Evidence so far points to single core. Which would explain the chopiness.

I run 8GB corsair ram , Windows 7 64 bit ultimate
I run in SLI mode Nvidia 8800GT, and the game struggles on this card, I tried out a lower specc card. the 9500GT and its the same deal with choppiness. but both can run EQ2 in uber brillant quality mode with no problems at all.

Anyone else have this problem, where you have to turn the uber bad looking gfx back down to wire mesh unfinished mode because of choppiness?

Please, only Cryptic support respond to this post, since its to you I am writing it.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Cryptic rarely responds here, but the answer to DX10 is no not really, the game uses DX9. It's a 32bit process but it'll run under 64bits, like mostly everything else. Last anyone checked to my knowledge, the game'll use up to 2 cores/processors, anything more doesn't seem to affect frame rates.

    As for chopiness, some Nvidia cards have been known to pretty choppy with this game. Some ATi as well mostly due to dynamic lighting issues. Though don't know why you'd ask Cryptic support only, cause I somehow doubt they're going to respond yes to your 'Anyone else have this problem' question.

    On a post note, a friend of mine has been able to fix most of the chopiness by playing around with the light and shadow settings a bit. It still won't be max quality but it beats playing with nothing on. Anyways key to it's just adjusting things bit by bit either from max down or min up.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Your right that you should have no problems with your GPU but you neglect to say what CPU you use. This can have a dramatic effect on the overall performance for games. I also play from the UK and have no problems with lag. Are you certain its bandwidth lag your getting and not just a rather slow CPU/FSB struggling to play the game?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    play from Germany on 2 Different PC right now (to hot for my faster PC in my Room under the roof the other in the Basement is slower and there i cant have all Settings at max to have 45 fps or more)

    on Ground Missions with Fox its alwasy laggin even with my best PC

    but my GTX 260 is to slow too i think to run the Game as i want it too
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Perhaps the problem lies in the fact that you are using Win 7. I have a lesser machine running on XP 64 bit Pro and have no problems or lag whatsoever.

    my comp:
    amd 3.2GHZ dual core
    4GB ocz ddr2
    geforce 9600GT

    this setup works great and the graphics are beautiful on my samsung led tv.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    sylvantos wrote: »
    I run in SLI mode Nvidia 8800GT, and the game struggles on this card, I tried out a lower specc card. the 9500GT and its the same deal with choppiness.


    here's your problem...

    8800GT in SLI is not even close to an 8800GTX

    just spend 160£ and get a gtx 460 or a bit more on a 465
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Gen_Crash wrote: »
    Perhaps the problem lies in the fact that you are using Win 7. I have a lesser machine running on XP 64 bit Pro and have no problems or lag whatsoever.

    my comp:
    amd 3.2GHZ dual core
    4GB ocz ddr2
    geforce 9600GT

    this setup works great and the graphics are beautiful on my samsung led tv.

    you mean LCD tv with LED backlight...
    I doubt you'd have a TV which is worth more than your pc...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Actually i have a hunch that a GTX 285 may in fact be better than any GTX 4xx card.

    Mainly because it has a much great bandwidth than the 4xx cards as it has a 512-bit memory interface which none of the 4xx has.

    Because i swear STO ran better on my old 280 that wen't kaputt than on my new GTX 470 i have now.
    Though it could just be that the drivers are still immature.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    @ Mardoxx

    Yes I do mean led tv. Specifically a Samsung 7000 series. It is sidelit led, not backlit. And yes, it is worth much, much more than my pc. In fact, I own many things that are far more valueable than my pc. Why whould you find that surprising?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Don't bother buying the 465 GTX if you end up going that route. 460 GTX 1 GB is better (ad cheaper)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Mardoxx wrote: »
    here's your problem...

    8800GT in SLI is not even close to an 8800GTX

    just spend 160£ and get a gtx 460 or a bit more on a 465

    460 @ £160-185+ can get the 768MB version (192 bit), the 1GB version (256 bit) is better @ higher a res but will cost more £180-210+.

    The 8800GT is a great card so is the 8800GTX and 460 . I get 30+ ground / 45+ space FPS @ 1680*1050 max setting, using my 8800GT (in my sig). I'm looking at getting a 460 (dual chip on one card would be nice), I got £300 set a side, for a new GFX upgrade to complete this rig.

    Stepping down the res to 1440*900 with my 8800GT

    I get up to 80+ in space

    I get up to 60+ ground missions


    8800GT SLI vs 8800GTX 1

    8800GT SLI vs 8800GTX 2

    800GT vs 8800GTX

    Star Trek Online: Game Performance Analyzed And Benchmarkedl The GTS250 uses the G92 just like the 8800GT/9800GT.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-8800-gt,1714-15.html

    In the end, Nvidia has taken its time, but offers an exceptional card with the GeForce 8800GT Compare Prices on GeForce 8800GT Video Cards. For about $230 it nearly displays the power of a GeForce 8800GTX (under 3%) twice as expensive, with the only downside being a slightly lower memory capacity (512 MB instead of 768 MB) and a bandwidth 10% lower than that of a GeForce 8800GTS. However, in games, the latter is usually outperformed by 30% without filters (using the 320 MB version) by the GeForce 8800GT and the GTX is only 12% higher. We have to say that the transition to the 65 nm process meant the arrival of more than just a couple of G92 on a wafer. By the way, this chip boasts 754 million transistors. It's small, consumes less than a GeForce 8800GTS 320 MB, and the 8800GT is also quite silent despite its single slot cooling system.


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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    Actually i have a hunch that a GTX 285 may in fact be better than any GTX 4xx card.

    Mainly because it has a much great bandwidth than the 4xx cards as it has a 512-bit memory interface which none of the 4xx has.

    Because i swear STO ran better on my old 280 that wen't kaputt than on my new GTX 470 i have now.
    Though it could just be that the drivers are still immature.

    what are u talking about my card has 1536MB memory size 384 bit Bus Width and is running on 1100mhz / 2200mhz and is 211.2 GB/s Bandwidth well in orginal it have 177.0 GB/s on a normal clock of 1850mhz
    and its a 480 GTX
    and a GTX 285 has only 1GB memory 512-bit 1242mhz / 2484mhz 159.0 GB/s so the GTX 285 is a slow card ,
    and i have no problems whit my GTX 480 i run max settings so ...
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