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A concern that i see after looking at recent posts, and looking at in game content and talking with other fleets bank ninja's are a big problem with fleets. There has been bugs with anyone being able to go in and take what they want out including credits, and person being able to take things out when they didnt have permissions. However, regardless of the reason it is imperative that bank ninja's are not promoted in this game.

Possible ways to prevent further fleets from suffering bank ninja's would be to make sure that no person without permissions be able to take out of the fleet bank. (which as discussed has been done)

Second, as per many suggestions "DO SOME INVESTIGATION TO FIND OUT WHO DID IT". However, this leaves a very important question. How can fleets do this investigative work if the fleet bank logs dont conver a long enough period of time, nor includes the details needed to deduce who may have committed the crime.

This doesnt go into permissions, nor questions the compitence of any fleet leadership that have fallen victim to this crime, as many fleets that have set permissions PROPERLY. Unfortunetly, in the instance of a large fleet the task of permissions covers more poeple, so simply put if you set permissions, and a person that weaseled there way up and or someone that is disgruntled takes something, how would a person be able to find out who and when took what out.

Contrary to belief just as we use stardates for the fleet log, activity log and other informations kept by cryptic, it is quite possible to setup the same system for the fleet bank log.

Therefore, the fleet bank log should be more detailed so that the fleets have the ability to investigate who was the thief!
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    And do what? Cryptic has stated that it is the responsability of the fleet owners, to keep it safe. Cryptic will only interfere if the fleet bank is "TRIBBLE". Not if the bank permissions have been set inproperly or has been abused.
    The only thing you can do is keep a black list for yourself, and don't bother to share. You can't simply trust others to give you good honest information. We're all humans and aliens :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    And do what? i dont think you read the post.

    What was asked is if the fleet bank log system could actually show the date and time that items were removed, and if items were just moved around it should not read withdraw unless items were actually withdrawn. This isnt askig Cryptic or anyone else to tangle in fleet affiars but allow fleets the correct information and tools to improve investigative methods when they have been viloated by bank ninja's!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Gumabunta wrote: »
    Therefore, the fleet bank log should be more detailed so that the fleets have the ability to investigate who was the thief!

    I agree the log should be more detailed and be able to be viewed over a longer period. Not only so fleets can handle issues internally but also so fleets can track high contributors and perhaps give them kudos for being supportive.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Why doesn't the game allow for a 'yank'back'? This is a computer system, it logs everything. If a player joins a fleet and steals from the account, then an admin ought to have a window to yank that stuff back.

    It seems to me that this would be a setting that should have been in the bank to start with.

    We got got today, and I was the one who let the jerk in. I checked and found a lifetime sub, searched for bad threads on the boards, and checked their social logs. Not a problem. They came in and cleared out as much as they were allowed to take. I see that our fleet lost millions upon millions of credits in items and I am so terribly embarrassed.

    A lifetime sub did this to me, I just didnt see it coming.

    Thats the last person I'll ever invite to our fleet.

    I understand how the GMs want us to not be pointing fingers at people and names, this is what the thieves count on. They also count on a person's good intent and good will.

    There ought to be a way to yank back items, there ought to be a way to revert items if its obvious to a gm that a person took advantage. Shoot, i'd pay for a correction to our fleet bank in c-store points.

    If cryptic says they dont have resources to do such things, then we can pay for those resouerces with c store points.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Why doesn't the game allow for a 'yank'back'? This is a computer system, it logs everything. If a player joins a fleet and steals from the account, then an admin ought to have a window to yank that stuff back.

    It seems to me that this would be a setting that should have been in the bank to start with.

    We got got today, and I was the one who let the jerk in. I checked and found a lifetime sub, searched for bad threads on the boards, and checked their social logs. Not a problem. They came in and cleared out as much as they were allowed to take. I see that our fleet lost millions upon millions of credits in items and I am so terribly embarrassed.

    A lifetime sub did this to me, I just didnt see it coming.

    Thats the last person I'll ever invite to our fleet.

    I understand how the GMs want us to not be pointing fingers at people and names, this is what the thieves count on. They also count on a person's good intent and good will.

    There ought to be a way to yank back items, there ought to be a way to revert items if its obvious to a gm that a person took advantage. Shoot, i'd pay for a correction to our fleet bank in c-store points.

    If cryptic says they dont have resources to do such things, then we can pay for those resouerces with c store points.



    This would never have happened if you had set bank permissions so that new members were not allowed to make withdrawals. You gave "the keys to the bank vault" to someone you did not know anything about

    I'm not saying that the pirate did the right thing, but your fleet did not take any of the precautions and use the tools provided by the developers to protect yourselves. This is the fleet leaders fault that this happened.

    Cryptic has taken the stance that it is the fleet's responsibility to protect themselves, they do not want to be involved in a "he said, she said" situation.

    For the future, use the fleet rankings and bank permissions so that this doesn't happen to you again. Consider the incident a learning experience.

    Don't trust people that you don't know very well....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Soupgoblin wrote: »
    This would never have happened if you had set bank permissions so that new members were not allowed to make withdrawals. You gave "the keys to the bank vault" to someone you did not know anything about

    I'm not saying that the pirate did the right thing, but your fleet did not take any of the precautions and use the tools provided by the developers to protect yourselves. This is the fleet leaders fault that this happened.

    Cryptic has taken the stance that it is the fleet's responsibility to protect themselves, they do not want to be involved in a "he said, she said" situation.

    For the future, use the fleet rankings and bank permissions so that this doesn't happen to you again. Consider the incident a learning experience.

    Don't trust people that you don't know very well....

    I have to disagree. The developers are very much responsibility because they developed the fleet bank with the bug(s). The fleet bank setting should work as they are suppose to and not have some exploit for someone to use. They are more then capable of pulling the items back and penalizing the person that took advantage of the exploit. I am a developer so I do know what can and cannot be done. Now, if the Fleet leader set it so that recruits can take whatever and how much they want then it is their own fault.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Primus01 wrote: »
    I have to disagree. The developers are very much responsibility because they developed the fleet bank with the bug(s). The fleet bank setting should work as they are suppose to and not have some exploit for someone to use. They are more then capable of pulling the items back and penalizing the person that took advantage of the exploit. I am a developer so I do know what can and cannot be done. Now, if the Fleet leader set it so that recruits can take whatever and how much they want then it is their own fault.

    The only exploit that was used was exploiting the ignorance of the fleet leader....


    Ok, say I was in your fleet....

    And I was told by you (on teamspeak or vent) that I was allowed to take 1 million EC for "services rendered". After I took the ec I decided I didn't like the way the fleet was structured and left. This ticked you off, and you go to the GMs and tell them that I stole EC from your fleet.... I then get ripped off due to pettiness on your part. Since the chat records will not show our agreement.

    Cryptic does not want to get involved in "he said she said" arguments. They realize that people use other communication methods than in-game chat, so they cannot investigate every circumstance. They do not want to involved in people's petty money squabbles.


    They gave us the tools to prevent bank theft, if some are too stupid to use those tools, then they suffer the consequences, do not blame Cryptic for a fleet leaders ignorance.....


    Protect yourself, stop blaming others for someone's lack of judgement by not setting proper bank permissions. Man up....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Soupgoblin wrote: »
    The only exploit that was used was exploiting the ignorance of the fleet leader....


    Ok, say I was in your fleet....

    And I was told by you (on teamspeak or vent) that I was allowed to take 1 million EC for "services rendered". After I took the ec I decided I didn't like the way the fleet was structured and left. This ticked you off, and you go to the GMs and tell them that I stole EC from your fleet.... I then get ripped off due to pettiness on your part. Since the chat records will not show our agreement.

    Cryptic does not want to get involved in "he said she said" arguments. They realize that people use other communication methods than in-game chat, so they cannot investigate every circumstance. They do not want to involved in people's petty money squabbles.


    They gave us the tools to prevent bank theft, if some are too stupid to use those tools, then they suffer the consequences, do not blame Cryptic for a fleet leaders ignorance.....


    Protect yourself, stop blaming others for someone's lack of judgement by not setting proper bank permissions. Man up....

    Number 16 in my personal Count for not jumping into every Fleet that asks me to join..........
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