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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    the Caitans are a feline alien race and are in the star trek cannon. I'm actually looking forward to seeing this race implemented. I've seen them in a couple of the movies but never watched the animated series. I'll have to look for those episodes to learn more.


    what I really hate is people that use furry as a derogitory term towards people. that is just as bad as using any of the racial slurs thrown around in this world to describe people of other races. It's WRONG and very disrespectful. Yes there are people that like to dress up as animals and have sex but that is NOT the entire encompass of what a furry is.

    Definition:
    Furry: As a noun, in reference to anthropomorphic animal characters with human personalities

    Examples:

    in cartoons: Most Hanna-Barbara characters, Rockey and Bullwinkle, most Disney characters, Pink Panther, Underdog, ect.

    in recent movies: the chipmunks, cats and dogs, shrek, ect.

    the bigges example to look at... Theme Parks! people dressed up in animal chatacter costumes to greet children at the parks

    that might be more examples but I can't think of them off the top of my head. My intent here is to try and educate the uneducated masses. I'm not trying to say being a furry is wrong or terrible. Just saying that the term Furry actually includes a heck of a lot more then the sexual fetish it's commonly associated with.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    drgnmstr44 wrote: »
    the Caitans are a feline alien race and are in the star trek cannon. I'm actually looking forward to seeing this race implemented. I've seen them in a couple of the movies but never watched the animated series. I'll have to look for those episodes to learn more.


    what I really hate is people that use furry as a derogitory term towards people. that is just as bad as using any of the racial slurs thrown around in this world to describe people of other races. It's WRONG and very disrespectful. Yes there are people that like to dress up as animals and have sex but that is NOT the entire encompass of what a furry is.

    Definition:
    Furry: As a noun, in reference to anthropomorphic animal characters with human personalities

    Examples:

    in cartoons: Most Hanna-Barbara characters, Rockey and Bullwinkle, most Disney characters, Pink Panther, Underdog, ect.

    in recent movies: the chipmunks, cats and dogs, shrek, ect.

    the bigges example to look at... Theme Parks! people dressed up in animal chatacter costumes to greet children at the parks

    that might be more examples but I can't think of them off the top of my head. My intent here is to try and educate the uneducated masses. I'm not trying to say being a furry is wrong or terrible. Just saying that the term Furry actually includes a heck of a lot more then the sexual fetish it's commonly associated with.

    I don't think anyone is really trying to argue over semantics here. This thread is simply an outlet for people waiting for a particular aspect of the game to be included. There's been a lot of emotional back-and-forth in this thread, but while some agree with the outrage, some disagree. In the end, that's not what matters. The question is whether or not a specific race should be included, and why or why not.

    I don't think they should. They appear only in very limited canon, and it would ruin the suspension of disbelief for immersion to see a good portion of the playing population running around as Caitians. I point to the inclusion of Jedi in SWG when the NGE went live. We all know that Jedi exist in Star Wars canon, but they should not have appeared in the massive numbers they did (once made live) in the time period in which the game took place. Where it concerns Caitians, it is fair to say that a lot of players are excited to play a Caitian (evidenced by the quantity of threads on this subject), but in order to keep things remotely 'canon-feeling,' it doesn't make sense to have that many Caitians running around.

    In short, the 'they're canon' argument runs both ways.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I don't think they should. They appear only in very limited canon, and it would ruin the suspension of disbelief for immersion to see a good portion of the playing population running around as Caitians. I point to the inclusion of Jedi in SWG when the NGE went live. We all know that Jedi exist in Star Wars canon, but they should not have appeared in the massive numbers they did (once made live) in the time period in which the game took place. Where it concerns Caitians, it is fair to say that a lot of players are excited to play a Caitian (evidenced by the quantity of threads on this subject), but in order to keep things remotely 'canon-feeling,' it doesn't make sense to have that many Caitians running around.

    In short, the 'they're canon' argument runs both ways.

    Oh I agree with you here. There isn't a lot of them around in the series as it is so you'd think that would be the same instance here if the race was included. however knowing people as a whole, they will probably make a lot. It's kind of how in the Warcraft universe, Night Elves are a limited race but you see them every where and i'd bet there's more night elf character on any given server than human or dwarven players. it just happens that way.

    I just get really irritated when people throw terms around like that when they don't have a full understanding of what that term means is all. I was trying to shed light on the subject and provide a more in-depth look at the term.

    And yes, I'm one of the ones that wants to play one. But you look at some of hte information you can dig up on the race on the net and you'd find that very few of them leave their home planet.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I really don't see the Caitian or just say cat people and sex connection

    Kirk + alien woman sex..........yes
    Orion women + sex.........yes
    Betazed (nakid at most events) + sex.........yes
    Vulcans and that 7 year 'itch' + sex.............yes

    and all that is in game or in canon already........where is the indignation on all of that?

    ok, in the brief parts of the star trek movies and the animated series where were Caitian deplicted
    as a sexual item/force/plot note or whatever ?

    No place......at all

    So your issues with Caitians are not about Caitians, they are about something else, some where
    else...with someone wearing a fursuit.

    Take your issues else where.......thank you

    Hypocrit < look it up


    Well, looking at how much money CoH made selling their wedding pack, I want to buy the Betazed Wedding Pack, where your character can (un) dress up to go to a Betazed Wedding or party. I bet that would sell like hotcakes. Even sell better than Caitians in the C-store. Though I bety they would sell better than most races other than Romulans.

    Since the Caitians were first introduced in TAS, and they had to cut out sex & violence to make a cartoon, I just assumed all Caitians were spayed or neutered upon joining star fleet. Thus a non sexual race. I mean, their basically just a Horta with a tail & pointed ears, right? Right?

    Any diversity in the game should be welcomed. If Cryptic makes Romulans or Caitians they will bring in more players. Maybe not the same amount of new players, but both will increase the number of players if done well. And I hope the fur is colorable so the Panda can get her Panda Kitty, or at least a Siamese mask so she can get close. No one should say "No! Don't bring in that race!" If you don't like the race, don't buy it in the C-store. But more options is always a good thing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I don't think they should. They appear only in very limited canon, and it would ruin the suspension of disbelief for immersion to see a good portion of the playing population running around as Caitians.

    You want immersion breaking? I'll give you examples of what's currently in the game.

    1) How many admirals do you see running around? A lot more than there should be.

    2) How many liberated Borg do you see running around? Again, more than there should be.

    3) The Klingons are at war with the Federation. Why are there Klinks in Starfleet?

    4) When did Starfleet become a mindless killing machine? We may be in a period of war, but that doesn't mean that we can go out and shoot things without there being any consequence.

    What's more immersion breaking? A bunch of cat people who were around since Kirk's time or any of the above?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    drgnmstr44 wrote: »
    the Caitans are a feline alien race and are in the star trek cannon. I'm actually looking forward to seeing this race implemented. I've seen them in a couple of the movies but never watched the animated series. I'll have to look for those episodes to learn more.


    what I really hate is people that use furry as a derogitory term towards people. that is just as bad as using any of the racial slurs thrown around in this world to describe people of other races. It's WRONG and very disrespectful. Yes there are people that like to dress up as animals and have sex but that is NOT the entire encompass of what a furry is.

    Definition:
    Furry: As a noun, in reference to anthropomorphic animal characters with human personalities

    Examples:

    in cartoons: Most Hanna-Barbara characters, Rockey and Bullwinkle, most Disney characters, Pink Panther, Underdog, ect.

    in recent movies: the chipmunks, cats and dogs, shrek, ect.

    the bigges example to look at... Theme Parks! people dressed up in animal chatacter costumes to greet children at the parks

    that might be more examples but I can't think of them off the top of my head. My intent here is to try and educate the uneducated masses. I'm not trying to say being a furry is wrong or terrible. Just saying that the term Furry actually includes a heck of a lot more then the sexual fetish it's commonly associated with.

    Very true, shame that a majority of the posters in this thread (there are major exceptions though) only pay attention to the bad parts of the fandom.
    I don't think they should. They appear only in very limited canon, and it would ruin the suspension of disbelief for immersion to see a good portion of the playing population running around as Caitians. I point to the inclusion of Jedi in SWG when the NGE went live. We all know that Jedi exist in Star Wars canon, but they should not have appeared in the massive numbers they did (once made live) in the time period in which the game took place. Where it concerns Caitians, it is fair to say that a lot of players are excited to play a Caitian (evidenced by the quantity of threads on this subject), but in order to keep things remotely 'canon-feeling,' it doesn't make sense to have that many Caitians running around.

    Honestly, I'd have to say Pakleds are more immersion breaking since they don't seem capable of being in Starfleet, and yet, they are, and that's just adding to the other things that the poster above me mentioned such as how many admirals, liberated Borg and such there are.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    drgnmstr44 wrote: »
    the Caitans are a feline alien race and are in the star trek cannon.

    I dont think anybody denies that, but thanks for stating the obvious. I think the curiousity(at least mine anyway) is why this particular species, with so little screen time, has such a following when dozens of others that are also canon and not yet in game do not. And just FYI: canon vs cannon :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I dont think anybody denies that, but thanks for stating the obvious. I think the curiousity(at least mine anyway) is why this particular species, with so little screen time, has such a following when dozens of others that are also canon and not yet in game do not.

    Because there are sci-fi and fantasy fans who don't like humanoid aliens?

    I gotta say, give me a race with a serpent's lower body or extra arms and legs or giant horns and I'd be more into that.

    Caitians are just one of the few big examples of aliens who don't look like they're humans covered in lumpy tumors or growths.

    I'd really dig seeing Skorr. They were in The Animated Series and arguably in "The Cage" TOS.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Because there are sci-fi and fantasy fans who don't like humanoid aliens?

    Unfortunately(for your argument), Caitians are in fact humanoid. If they ran around on all fours, then you would be right. But 1 head, 2 arms, 2 legs, walking up right is humanoid.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Unfortunately(for your argument), Caitians are in fact humanoid. If they ran around on all fours, then you would be right. But 1 head, 2 arms, 2 legs, walking up right is humanoid.

    Ahh yes, but at least Caitians look half decent on all fours. It's just easier to take humanoid form, as you have two paws to use.

    And if people are winging that much, Cryptic could always add this Cat!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    MGDawson wrote: »
    Ahh yes, but at least Caitians look half decent on all fours.

    What does that have to do with being humanoid or not?
    MGDawson wrote: »
    It's just easier to take humanoid form, as you have two paws to use.

    Easier? I'm pretty sure that Caitians actually have hands, not just "front paws". Otherwise, they wouldnt be able to hold things.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Easier? I'm pretty sure that Caitians actually have hands, not just "front paws". Otherwise, they wouldnt be able to hold things.

    erm...."paws" might be of different configuration to current "feline" animals we have on this planet, so they may hold things better.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    MGDawson wrote: »
    erm...."paws" might be of different configuration to current "feline" animals we have on this planet, so they may hold things better.

    Thats true. However, since the very word "paw" is a HUMAN word, that that shows we're using HUMAN terms to describe these alien characteristics. That being the case, the HUMAN definition of "hand" is:

    "a prehensile, multi-fingered body part located at the end of an arm or forelimb of primates and some other vertebrates."

    Since Caitians walk upright and use their "appendage" for grasping(see definition of "prehensile"), then that would mean as far as our HUMAN discussions go, Caitians have hands :o
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    You want immersion breaking? I'll give you examples of what's currently in the game.

    1) How many admirals do you see running around? A lot more than there should be.

    2) How many liberated Borg do you see running around? Again, more than there should be.

    3) The Klingons are at war with the Federation. Why are there Klinks in Starfleet?

    4) When did Starfleet become a mindless killing machine? We may be in a period of war, but that doesn't mean that we can go out and shoot things without there being any consequence.

    What's more immersion breaking? A bunch of cat people who were around since Kirk's time or any of the above?

    Since you asked a question, I'll respond. I agree with your first two points. As to your third, just because the United States was at war with Germany, it doesn't mean Germans didn't serve in the US military. Your fourth point is also doesn't sit well with me on the basis that just because we don't see the consequences, it doesn't mean they aren't there. I get the feeling that as the seasons roll out, we'll see a progression to the storyline evolve - perhaps shedding light on this recent paradigm shift in the Federation.

    Back to the matter at hand, I can't help what is already in-game. That's not what the discussion is about, frankly. This is the old "well she did this" or "he did that" argument kids use to deflect an issue. Caitians haven't been added yet, and so I'm rationalizing why I do not think they should be at all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Back to the matter at hand, I can't help what is already in-game. That's not what the discussion is about, frankly. This is the old "well she did this" or "he did that" argument kids use to deflect an issue. Caitians haven't been added yet, and so I'm rationalizing why I do not think they should be at all.

    And if they aren't, I really would probably quit playing, at least until more content is added to the Klingon side....so....which would probably be never.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Well.... Here it is June and we still have the May calendar up. Not much word on Caitians or anything else in the future. Heh. Few diehards still watching the forums. Perhaps we should start a poll to see what we would like in Caitian design. Personally, I hope they are close to the design in the animated series although since they have digitgrade paws for feet they wouldn't be able to wear Starfleet standard issue boots. Of course they wouldn't be the first species not able to wear Fed Footwear. I'm hoping there will be variation to fur colors. I'd assume tawny/golden, brown, red, and black would be the norm. There really isn't much in canon about variation in the species so I suppose STO could add spot or stripe patterns but I'm not sure if that would be cool or silly. I like the long mane style hair that M'ress had and hope they allow mane type hairstyles for both genders although there should be an option not to have head hair at all so we can make Caitians like the cameo admirals that were seen in the Star Trek movies.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Items of interest for June

    UGC news
    Caitian news
    Ship interior news
    Joystick control news ---- PLEASE, For the love of kitty Budda ! put it in already !
    (some may recognize the reference)

    and that is what I am interested in seeing...or not seeing in the June calander
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Honestly I've just about given up on them and my patience with Cryptic is wearing thin on this issue. The constant putting them on the back burner for the last 3 months has gotten ridiculous. Perhaps it's time to put STO away for a bit. I guess if June doesn't bring Caitians I probably will. Sub is up at the 28th so Cryptic has til then to put them in or I'm going to move on to greener pastures.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I can't say I'd blame ya for taking off. I've been strung along as well since they keep pushing them back. I was like "Yay! I'm making my main next week." to some friends. I've said it enough times now that I feel like the boy who cried wolf. Also, I put off working on my other character as I didn't want to make it all the way to the top just to start over again when I make a Caitian my main. However, at this point if I had played regularly I probably would have three admirals or more. Likely I'll go back to playing Champions till they put them in but I think June is my limit of waiting as well so I'll probably start working my Borg up again. That and maybe breeding a few tribbles here and there. At least Guild Wars2 will have kitties although um... they got four ears and horns but nobodys perfect. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Unfortunately(for your argument), Caitians are in fact humanoid. If they ran around on all fours, then you would be right. But 1 head, 2 arms, 2 legs, walking up right is humanoid.

    yes but they dont look the same as every other race
    every other race is just a guy with a makeup
    IF they do it right caitians are not
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I did see in the patch files something that said "m caitian head 1". It might be a left over file from the dev's test server.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Liberty wrote: »
    I can't say I'd blame ya for taking off. I've been strung along as well since they keep pushing them back. I was like "Yay! I'm making my main next week." to some friends. I've said it enough times now that I feel like the boy who cried wolf. Also, I put off working on my other character as I didn't want to make it all the way to the top just to start over again when I make a Caitian my main. However, at this point if I had played regularly I probably would have three admirals or more. Likely I'll go back to playing Champions till they put them in but I think June is my limit of waiting as well so I'll probably start working my Borg up again. That and maybe breeding a few tribbles here and there. At least Guild Wars2 will have kitties although um... they got four ears and horns but nobodys perfect. :)

    I can understand being disappointed with not being able to play a race you want to. I got luckly, I wanted to play an Andorian and they are considered mainstream. Would it be the end of the world if I could not play one? No, but it would be disappointing. I was first interested in Caitans when I read a Star Trek Novel about some proto-Caitans (I'll have to see if I can find the title) and then I saw them in the background of ST IV in the council hearing. I'm not a huge fan but I do support having as many race choices as possible for the players.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    qultar wrote: »
    yes but they dont look the same as every other race
    every other race is just a guy with a makeup
    IF they do it right caitians are not

    Right, there should also be a lion like tail as indicated by M'Ress, the first Caitian ever depicted. Mind you, the first Trill ever depicted had a funny forehead appliance and no spots.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I wonder if they will have 3 boobies like the cat woman dancing in Star Trek V The Final Frontier does. Though I have heard that she was supposedly a Kzinti and not a Caitian.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I wonder if they will have 3 boobies like the cat woman dancing in Star Trek V The Final Frontier does. Though I have heard that she was supposedly a Kzinti and not a Caitian.

    she is at most 1/2 caitian best idea on what she was is
    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Draylaxian
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I wonder if they will have 3 boobies like the cat woman dancing in Star Trek V The Final Frontier does. Though I have heard that she was supposedly a Kzinti and not a Caitian.

    I hope so in a non pervy way. I promote more strange looking aliens!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    <.<....>.>.....

    -tosses catnip into middle of thread and climbs un into the rafters to watch the ensuing "fun"-
    ^_^
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    :eek: Thundercats hooooo!

    I wonder what the Bat'leth of Thundara would look like... Any artists want to take the challenge?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Though I have heard that she was supposedly a Kzinti and not a Caitian.

    Most likely not Kzinti females are dumb animals. They're non-sentient and have the intellect of a house cat.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    man, why would you want 3 TRIBBLE, having 2 TRIBBLE is annoying enough Dx especially if you're really sexy coz then everybody will want to stare at your TRIBBLE, and touch your TRIBBLE, and if you live in a cold climate (like me ) then your nipples will always be hard. and boys will stare at you and you will become paranoid about people staring at you because you're TRIBBLE are so sexy and then you will scream and flail and run away and hide under the couch -does this-
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