Many of us enjoys doing the FvK, but not really when there is cloaking being overly used.
Or how about KvK, where cloaking is used so much, nothing gets done in 5v5.
Total cloaking ability is 5 minutes total, and timer only goes down when ship cloak. So a ship could use cloak on and off to stretch out it's usefulness.
Only 2 ways the cloak recharges, 15 minutes of not cloaking or ship exploding.
I strongly believe this will keep the edge Klingons already have, without making the opposite side wait endlessly for some action to happen. That it be either Klingons or Federation.
This would just be for PvP purposes.
I know it's not very canon like, but people can't forget this is an mmo first and foremost.
People plays PvP for balance (or as close as possible)
Edit(added based on post comments): You want things kept "Canon", I can make it happen while still making my idea acceptable. Introduce an honor meter system for klingon, they lose steadily honor when they cloak, and recover slowly a little when they uncloak. Honor resets upon dying, they can not cloak if they got no honor energy left.
Any changes like this run counter to canon established cloak function, and just rips us further away from immersion. And personally, I just don't see a cloak as that much of an advantage.
Any changes like this run counter to canon established cloak function, and just rips us further away from immersion. And personally, I just don't see a cloak as that much of an advantage.
Afraid you are missing the point. Never said to nerf cloak, i'm talking of giving it a timer so that people don't wait hours on end to find some action.
This is the biggest issue for KvK in 5v5 matches, where they refuse to uncloak giving the other side the first shot. Making those fights annoyingly boring.
Any changes like this run counter to canon established cloak function, and just rips us further away from immersion. And personally, I just don't see a cloak as that much of an advantage.
This game is an mmo, you lose immersion as soon as you convert any series or franchise into an mmo. Think about it, we are all captains from start?
We get magically teleported to a pvp arena thanks to the queue system?
Sector space is seperated by invisible walls?
I could keep going, but telling you all this to explain that this game is an mmo first and foremost. Don't get me wrong, i love mmos, i also love star trek franchise. But this being an mmo, you have to concede a few things so that an mmo it stays. If you aim too much for 'Canon' you'll get hit hard with imbalancing issues.
PvP players who plays without abusing game mechanics would not feel hindered at all by my proposition, as they never wait more than 2 mins before starting fights.
If you have anything to fear about it, perhaps you are abusing the game mechanics yourself. Think of your opponent looking for you for more than 5 minutes. This isn't real life, this is game life, it's suppose to be fun, not frustrating.
So keep 'canon' as long as it doesn't break the mmo feel people search for.
Afraid you are missing the point. Never said to nerf cloak, i'm talking of giving it a timer so that people don't wait hours on end to find some action.
This is the biggest issue for KvK in 5v5 matches, where they refuse to uncloak giving the other side the first shot. Making those fights annoyingly boring.
I'm not suggesting that you said to nerf cloak, what I'm saying is that the more artificial "rules" that don't have any basis in the IP are included, the further we get away from this being a Star Trek game.
This game is an mmo, you lose immersion as soon as you convert any series or franchise into an mmo. Think about it, we are all captains from start?
We get magically teleported to a pvp arena thanks to the queue system?
Sector space is seperated by invisible walls?
I could keep going, but telling you all this to explain that this game is an mmo first and foremost. Don't get me wrong, i love mmos, i also love star trek franchise. But this being an mmo, you have to concede a few things so that an mmo it stays. If you aim too much for 'Canon' you'll get hit hard with imbalancing issues.
PvP players who plays without abusing game mechanics would not feel hindered at all by my proposition, as they never wait more than 2 mins before starting fights.
If you have anything to fear about it, perhaps you are abusing the game mechanics yourself. Think of your opponent looking for you for more than 5 minutes. This isn't real life, this is game life, it's suppose to be fun, not frustrating.
So keep 'canon' as long as it doesn't break the mmo feel people search for.
Yes, this is a game, an MMO based on Star Trek. But it doesn't have to use specific game mechanics to be called an MMO. What we need are new ideas, not more limiting factors.
If the KvK match takes too long, so what? Just wait till the Feds get a cloak. (Its coming, see the Galaxy-X).
What needs to change and get "fun" is the PvP itself, not individual things within it. And I rarely even use my cloak, and now that I'm in a carrier, not at all. But to limit something so drastically, something that is so core to the IP, just isn't the answer.
Edit: I have to ask, how many times has this been a problem? Where one K team doesn't want to attack first? I've ranked up almost exclusively by PvP and I've never seen it happen.
I'm not suggesting that you said to nerf cloak, what I'm saying is that the more artificial "rules" that don't have any basis in the IP are included, the further we get away from this being a Star Trek game.
See my last edit on my OP mentionning about Klingon Honor Energy level. After all, klingons represent honorable warrior race. Then it is not far fetch to include a meter that prevents klingon of staying cloak for extremely long period of times.
After all, There is no Honor from running from a fight. Staying cloak forever is still the same. Your avoiding battle at the expense of another player.
So for your 'canon folks', include a Klingon Honor Meter. Can't cloak if it's empty, it resets to full upon dying. Goes up the longer you are uncloak, but at a slow pace.
See my last edit on my OP mentionning about Klingon Honor Energy level. After all, klingons represent honorable warrior race. Then it is not far fetch to include a meter that prevents klingon of staying cloak for extremely long period of times.
After all, There is no Honor from running from a fight. Staying cloak forever is still the same. Your avoiding battle at the expense of another player.
So for your 'canon folks', include a Klingon Honor Meter. Can't cloak if it's empty, it resets to full upon dying. Goes up the longer you are uncloak, but at a slow pace.
An Honor... meter? Now you're suggesting another artificial rule that would break immersion. You can't measure honor by how long someone does or doesn't stay cloaked.
And actually, I strongly disagree. There are times when running from a fight is a good thing. For example to win an arena match. There are also times when hitting Abandon Ship, running full bore into a furball, popping Eng Team and Hazard Emitters on a team mate and then blowing up are just as important.
Players will play as honorable or not, that's the point of playing with people and not pre-defined AI. That's the point of playing an MMO in the first place.
Yes, this is a game, an MMO based on Star Trek. But it doesn't have to use specific game mechanics to be called an MMO. What we need are new ideas, not more limiting factors.
If the KvK match takes too long, so what? Just wait till the Feds get a cloak. (Its coming, see the Galaxy-X).
What needs to change and get "fun" is the PvP itself, not individual things within it. And I rarely even use my cloak, and now that I'm in a carrier, not at all. But to limit something so drastically, something that is so core to the IP, just isn't the answer.
Actually, it does have to use some level of limitations to be called an mmo. Mmos who doesn't adapt to players dies off. So at this point you can keep your 'canon' mentality when everyone else got tired of things not getting fixed or balanced.
Afraid your missing the point, the issue isn't about the klingons, it's about the cloak. Having feds with cloaking technology will just make it worst since now both side will just stay cloak until one side decides to cloak(which always ends up badly when they do).
And without rules, you don't get your fun factor. Have you already forgotten about the fact that some players abuse cloaks just so the opposite gives up waiting for you. You want fun? You need rules. As dumb as this sounds, sports is fun, and sports got tons of rules. Without rules or restrictions, players can do whatever they want at the expense of others. I can see your a life time subscribers, but some of us have a life. We can't be waiting long PvP games because someone like you who has all the time in the world won't concede to the fact your not the only player out there. And nothing i suggested penalizes you unless(as previously mentionned) you, yourself, abuses this game mechanic.
An Honor... meter? Now you're suggesting another artificial rule that would break immersion. You can't measure honor by how long someone does or doesn't stay cloaked.
And actually, I strongly disagree. There are times when running from a fight is a good thing. For example to win an arena match. There are also times when hitting Abandon Ship, running full bore into a furball, popping Eng Team and Hazard Emitters on a team mate and then blowing up are just as important.
Players will play as honorable or not, that's the point of playing with people and not pre-defined AI. That's the point of playing an MMO in the first place.
Your right, let's keep things real then. When can i be able to go the bathroom, or eat like a klingon? Immersion is in your mind, nothing else. Your just afraid of changes and that's okay. First year for an mmo, changes will happen and many you'll despise.
You can still run from a fight, if you still got Honor energy level left. And according to my system if you read anything i actually wrote, it recharges when your not cloaked. So since you were fighting for a while, you already have honor. And nothing i suggested breaks your abandon ship tactic. Maybe you should read before commenting. Or at least stay within the topic.
Not the point of playing an MMO, if you want a game where PvP is abused. Go elsewhere. If you noticed, this game doesn't have open PvP areas where they can just kill you for shopping. So this was Cryptic's intent from day 1 to make this game casual. Casual means just that. There is nothing casual about waiting for people who are too afraid to uncloak so we can get pvp going. To go to a pvp arena, but they make the other side wait again, just to cause frustration. Cryptic doesn't like frustration within the community, but only certain things they can control, like spamming. They can't control PvP just yet, because this game is barely 6 months old. They have no idea what they are doing(most mmos can't get things right the first year).
Actually, it does have to use some level of limitations to be called an mmo. Mmos who doesn't adapt to players dies off. So at this point you can keep your 'canon' mentality when everyone else got tired of things not getting fixed or balanced.
Afraid your missing the point, the issue isn't about the klingons, it's about the cloak. Having feds with cloaking technology will just make it worst since now both side will just stay cloak until one side decides to cloak(which always ends up badly when they do).
And without rules, you don't get your fun factor. Have you already forgotten about the fact that some players abuse cloaks just so the opposite gives up waiting for you. You want fun? You need rules. As dumb as this sounds, sports is fun, and sports got tons of rules. Without rules or restrictions, players can do whatever they want at the expense of others. I can see your a life time subscribers, but some of us have a life. We can't be waiting long PvP games because someone like you who has all the time in the world won't concede to the fact your not the only player out there. And nothing i suggested penalizes you unless(as previously mentionned) you, yourself, abuses this game mechanic.
Again, the cloak just isn't that much of an advantage. If the other team is taking too long they're probably planning and working as a team... if you're inconvenienced, and you don't want to wait for them, feel free to leave. I'd rather have folks on my team that want to think and support each other, instead of mash the spacebar.
I don't know why you're getting so personal in your posts, you had a suggestion, I disagree for the points that I stated. There's no reason to get personal. And I have a life, thank you very much.
Consider yourself reported.
Edit: I take it back, I won't report you. Again, not sure where the animosity is coming from, but I don;t need it.
I like Cloak the way it is but I would like to see counter measures (like Vent Warp Plasma) get some kind of boost.
Nothing I suggest would prevent you of using cloak, it is just a system to prevent frustration for your opponent. You may not care for your opponent as much, but respect goes a long way. Without any opponents, you don't have a PvP to go to. And many players already have given up on PvP because of this cloaking frustration of waiting extremely long periods just to find a fight. Best example, reason why Klingons prefers fighting feds, and why feds prefer fighting other feds, in 5 vs 5 matches.
My suggested system would never affect a regular pvp players. Would only affect the cloaking ships with no end.
Again, the cloak just isn't that much of an advantage. If the other team is taking too long they're probably planning and working as a team... if you're inconvenienced, and you don't want to wait for them, feel free to leave. I'd rather have folks on my team that want to think and support each other, instead of mash the spacebar.
I don't know why you're getting so personal in your posts, you had a suggestion, I disagree for the points that I stated. There's no reason to get personal. And I have a life, thank you very much.
Consider yourself reported.
Edit: I take it back, I won't report you. Again, not sure where the animosity is coming from, but I don;t need it.
There you go again, not listening to what i'm posting. Why you keep replying to stuff if your not reading it. I never said anything about unfair advantage. I'm only talking about annoying players on purpose, nothing to do with PvP tactics at all. Let me put it this way, maybe your mind can comprehend. How would you like it if a 5v5 match, feds would not respawn at all for 20 mins. This is very similar to being cloak, since they are untouchable. The pvp arenas are huge and with such a low cooldown on sensor scan and short range, impossible to find klingons who wants to stay hidden.
Would that be a pleasant experience? Waiting 20 mins for action to happen again? And since they never told you they gone afk for 20 mins, you would be staring at empty screen, probably chatting, but your ship be very much idle, helpless and useless. And after all what i have said, if you can't still comprehend the frustration certain players I have seen go through for dealing with abusive usage of cloaking duration, then your nostalgia is blinding you and you'll never be able to form a proper opinion about anything to do with this game.
I apologize to be blunt, but your just trolling this thread.
1. You are not reading correctly what I post and
2. You simply post the same thing over and over without a valid argument.
A quick question , how often have you KvK'd as a Klingon , and frankly the last few times I've pvp'd cloak was hardly used , unless to regroup. In closing Cloak is fine as it is , this has been hashed out more times then i can recall and frankly they've (Cryptic ) said they aren't going to change it , so move along. Can a Moderator close this thread and pile it on the dead corpse of all the other Cloaking nerf threads, please ?
I get that if everyone is cloaked neither side can get anything done. Someone on one side or the other is going to have to decloak or everyone is going to leave. Introduce another timer and someone is going to fly off to the far side of a map and wait it out. It's a decent idea, just not one that I see as effective or even important what with all of the other broken things in this game.
In your example situation, either side could expose themselves first or stay cloaked indefinitely. It sounds like a bunch of kids are ticked off because each wants the other to bend over for them in which case both sides are full of morons and the game really should last forever. It will keep some of the other dipsticks out of queue's that I'm trying to get into.
A quick question , how often have you KvK'd as a Klingon , and frankly the last few times I've pvp'd cloak was hardly used , unless to regroup. In closing Cloak is fine as it is , this has been hashed out more times then i can recall and frankly they've (Cryptic ) said they aren't going to change it , so move along. Can a Moderator close this thread and pile it on the dead corpse of all the other Cloaking nerf threads, please ?
lol, agreed Vuk. For some reason he's focused on me, and is just unwilling to listen. I have never seen this particular problem, and limiting cloak in that way would just kill immersion that much farther.
There you go again, not listening to what i'm posting. Why you keep replying to stuff if your not reading it.
Actually, I read everything. In fact, I've gone back twice to see if I missed anything. Perhaps you're not explaining what you're suggesting as well as you think you are? Reading the other replies here by other folks leads me to believe they're seeing the same thing that I am.
I never said anything about unfair advantage. I'm only talking about annoying players on purpose, nothing to do with PvP tactics at all. Let me put it this way, maybe your mind can comprehend. How would you like it if a 5v5 match, feds would not respawn at all for 20 mins. This is very similar to being cloak, since they are untouchable. The pvp arenas are huge and with such a low cooldown on sensor scan and short range, impossible to find klingons who wants to stay hidden.
Would that be a pleasant experience? Waiting 20 mins for action to happen again? And since they never told you they gone afk for 20 mins, you would be staring at empty screen, probably chatting, but your ship be very much idle, helpless and useless.
Again, I've never seen it happen in ranking both a Fed and a Klink to T5.
And after all what i have said, if you can't still comprehend the frustration certain players I have seen go through for dealing with abusive usage of cloaking duration, then your nostalgia is blinding you and you'll never be able to form a proper opinion about anything to do with this game.
Define "proper opinion", please. If you mean that I must form an opinion in line with yours, then no, I guess I won't. That's why it's called an opinion after all.
I apologize to be blunt, but your just trolling this thread.
1. You are not reading correctly what I post and
2. You simply post the same thing over and over without a valid argument.
Why the insults? The bottom line is that you think cloak should be limited to a specific amount of time, I disagree.
As to posting the same thing over and over, of course I have, it's a valid objection to your suggestion. I'm sorry that you think I'm trolling your post, that's not my intent. My intent was to show you that I don't think that your fear of Klingons "abusing cloak" is warranted, and changing major gameplay mechanics would not be a good idea.
The reasons that it would not be a good idea:
1. It changes established gameplay mechanics.
2. It's unnecessary, I believe cloak is pretty fairly balanced, the devs did a good job with it.
3. Your suggestion would unnecessarily change canon established function of the cloak.
4. It would artificially impose rules that would break immersion.
we will see if all these arguments you made here about canon and immersion hold up when the Romulan faction goes online, also equiped with cloaking technology(canon)
I bet, once introduced, Feds will whine as never before(understandable somewhere) due to two factions having something they don't.
Besides this, cloaked vs cloaked can dragg on a very long time, but premades will adapt and lure other cloaked factions with lures and new strategies, all part of adapting.
So lets wait and see how big these problems pann out when the Romulans get here shall we
we will see if all these arguments you made here about canon and immersion hold up when the Romulan faction goes online, also equiped with cloaking technology(canon)
The Romulans should get battle cloak and it should be quicker in application then the Klingon version , it's what distigusishes the faction . Should the ships be slower moving , yes , another fact.
I bet, once introduced, Feds will whine as never before(understandable somewhere) due to two factions having something they don't.
You can bet your bottom dollar , pure Klingon players won't . They understand cloak and will relish the challenge.
Besides this, cloaked vs cloaked can dragg on a very long time, but premades will adapt and lure other cloaked factions with lures and new strategies, all part of adapting.
Can't argue that fact.
So lets wait and see how big these problems pan out when the Romulans get here shall we
It's part of the daily Fed whine , eventually you get use to it . I'm looking forwardto Romulan and how they attempt to distinguish the gameplay from Klingon .
Ironically, the KvK Borg Hunt is fun and much more active...and guess what? With an objective based environment, we dont stay cloaked. The objective requires we come out of cloak.
Bad PvP mechanics cause the frustration with the cloak...the main culprit being the pointless and meaningful, objectiveless Cracked Planet...there is no reason to uncloak unless you think you have the advanatge....where you believe the oppoennet is more likly to die than you.
There is no complaint of excessive cloaking...I repeat, NO COMPLAINT, in the Cap & Hold PvP because there is purpose, purpose through objectives that cant be achieved while cloaked.
Teamdeatch match is ill-suited to handle the tactical and strategic complexities required for stealth combat designs...cloakers. Dont blame the cloakers, dont blame the cloaks...dont try and change them. Insteads, demand more intelligently and complex PvP scenerios that take the complexities of the KvF combat interaction into consideration.
Plus TDM sucks! Its time to put away that kiddie PvP and demand more.
As we all know, Klingons PVP a lot!!! So here I am in Omega Leonis PvP'ing and can't complete my mission; "Defeat enemies in Hostile Engagements or House battles. Yet when i PVP in space, it does not register to this mission... I only need 5. I have fought in 10! 7 Space and 3 ground. It is only counting the ground. This is no biggie as they are equally fun and challenging, although it seems the Feds prefer Ground over Space today, so I am not making any progress.(Unless I go ground and get outnumbered and tanked!!!)
Which brings me to another thing I just noticed... KDF Cowards that run away when they get in a little trouble instead of sticking together. I have noticed that the Feds are real good at cooperating with each other and sticking together, in spite of Hull being below 25%...
On many occasions I see Birds of Prey or Raptors running... THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!
Klingons are proud to die in combat! It is an Honor! If you can't handle the flame... GET OUT OF THE FIRE!!! - Go join the Feds and leave KDF to the Honorable, And Un-intimidated Empire!!!!
THIS IS A GAME! IF YOU BLOW UP, YOU WILL RESPAWN!!! No biggie! Don't be a scared yellow-Bellied coward and run!
Stick together, in-spite of weather you blow up or not! That is what makes PVP fun!!! A good match! -Jeez...
I still got the highest score 2 out of 3 times, (170000 or more),including Fed scores, 'Cause I DON'T RUN!!!!
Vic Rattlehead, Proud owner of a Bird Of Prey!
-UPDATE- So that's it I've had it for a couple of days... maybe more. My Frustration level has peaked out and i am no longer having fun! I need a break from the every day bugs that affect me in this game. I cannot make any progress! I have an R.A. - Fed ship, that is maxed out and it is pointless to do anything with it as I can not get any better with it, and my KDF Toon, is not progressing either due to not enough missions, bad PVP queues, and Bugged missions. We'll see if Cryptic even cares about my absence. I will check the Forums daily and see if the 6 or so Posts i have put in in the last 24 hours are addressed... Or for that matter, A human response to my Bug-Reports!
Besides... My Wife is getting tired of hearing me rant and rave during game play, when I encounter all these problems! Good Bye For Now... Maybe 4-Ever!!! Sai-La-Vi, People! -- Vic
Afraid you are missing the point. Never said to nerf cloak, i'm talking of giving it a timer so that people don't wait hours on end to find some action.
This is the biggest issue for KvK in 5v5 matches, where they refuse to uncloak giving the other side the first shot. Making those fights annoyingly boring.
Which is a nerf to cloaking. Cloaking is fine as it is.
And why should I give a **** about the frustrations of my opponents, let them be frustrated-it will push them to make a mistake that much sooner.
An honor meter? Honor measured how? by klingon or Federation standards?
I'm ammazed at how quickly the Dev's seem to be kissing the Fed's buttocks and making it easy for them to play in PvP against the klingons.
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Afraid you are missing the point. Never said to nerf cloak, i'm talking of giving it a timer so that people don't wait hours on end to find some action.
This is the biggest issue for KvK in 5v5 matches, where they refuse to uncloak giving the other side the first shot. Making those fights annoyingly boring.
This game is an mmo, you lose immersion as soon as you convert any series or franchise into an mmo. Think about it, we are all captains from start?
We get magically teleported to a pvp arena thanks to the queue system?
Sector space is seperated by invisible walls?
I could keep going, but telling you all this to explain that this game is an mmo first and foremost. Don't get me wrong, i love mmos, i also love star trek franchise. But this being an mmo, you have to concede a few things so that an mmo it stays. If you aim too much for 'Canon' you'll get hit hard with imbalancing issues.
PvP players who plays without abusing game mechanics would not feel hindered at all by my proposition, as they never wait more than 2 mins before starting fights.
If you have anything to fear about it, perhaps you are abusing the game mechanics yourself. Think of your opponent looking for you for more than 5 minutes. This isn't real life, this is game life, it's suppose to be fun, not frustrating.
So keep 'canon' as long as it doesn't break the mmo feel people search for.
I'm not suggesting that you said to nerf cloak, what I'm saying is that the more artificial "rules" that don't have any basis in the IP are included, the further we get away from this being a Star Trek game.
Yes, this is a game, an MMO based on Star Trek. But it doesn't have to use specific game mechanics to be called an MMO. What we need are new ideas, not more limiting factors.
If the KvK match takes too long, so what? Just wait till the Feds get a cloak. (Its coming, see the Galaxy-X).
What needs to change and get "fun" is the PvP itself, not individual things within it. And I rarely even use my cloak, and now that I'm in a carrier, not at all. But to limit something so drastically, something that is so core to the IP, just isn't the answer.
Edit: I have to ask, how many times has this been a problem? Where one K team doesn't want to attack first? I've ranked up almost exclusively by PvP and I've never seen it happen.
See my last edit on my OP mentionning about Klingon Honor Energy level. After all, klingons represent honorable warrior race. Then it is not far fetch to include a meter that prevents klingon of staying cloak for extremely long period of times.
After all, There is no Honor from running from a fight. Staying cloak forever is still the same. Your avoiding battle at the expense of another player.
So for your 'canon folks', include a Klingon Honor Meter. Can't cloak if it's empty, it resets to full upon dying. Goes up the longer you are uncloak, but at a slow pace.
An Honor... meter? Now you're suggesting another artificial rule that would break immersion. You can't measure honor by how long someone does or doesn't stay cloaked.
And actually, I strongly disagree. There are times when running from a fight is a good thing. For example to win an arena match. There are also times when hitting Abandon Ship, running full bore into a furball, popping Eng Team and Hazard Emitters on a team mate and then blowing up are just as important.
Players will play as honorable or not, that's the point of playing with people and not pre-defined AI. That's the point of playing an MMO in the first place.
Actually, it does have to use some level of limitations to be called an mmo. Mmos who doesn't adapt to players dies off. So at this point you can keep your 'canon' mentality when everyone else got tired of things not getting fixed or balanced.
Afraid your missing the point, the issue isn't about the klingons, it's about the cloak. Having feds with cloaking technology will just make it worst since now both side will just stay cloak until one side decides to cloak(which always ends up badly when they do).
And without rules, you don't get your fun factor. Have you already forgotten about the fact that some players abuse cloaks just so the opposite gives up waiting for you. You want fun? You need rules. As dumb as this sounds, sports is fun, and sports got tons of rules. Without rules or restrictions, players can do whatever they want at the expense of others. I can see your a life time subscribers, but some of us have a life. We can't be waiting long PvP games because someone like you who has all the time in the world won't concede to the fact your not the only player out there. And nothing i suggested penalizes you unless(as previously mentionned) you, yourself, abuses this game mechanic.
Your right, let's keep things real then. When can i be able to go the bathroom, or eat like a klingon? Immersion is in your mind, nothing else. Your just afraid of changes and that's okay. First year for an mmo, changes will happen and many you'll despise.
You can still run from a fight, if you still got Honor energy level left. And according to my system if you read anything i actually wrote, it recharges when your not cloaked. So since you were fighting for a while, you already have honor. And nothing i suggested breaks your abandon ship tactic. Maybe you should read before commenting. Or at least stay within the topic.
Not the point of playing an MMO, if you want a game where PvP is abused. Go elsewhere. If you noticed, this game doesn't have open PvP areas where they can just kill you for shopping. So this was Cryptic's intent from day 1 to make this game casual. Casual means just that. There is nothing casual about waiting for people who are too afraid to uncloak so we can get pvp going. To go to a pvp arena, but they make the other side wait again, just to cause frustration. Cryptic doesn't like frustration within the community, but only certain things they can control, like spamming. They can't control PvP just yet, because this game is barely 6 months old. They have no idea what they are doing(most mmos can't get things right the first year).
Again, the cloak just isn't that much of an advantage. If the other team is taking too long they're probably planning and working as a team... if you're inconvenienced, and you don't want to wait for them, feel free to leave. I'd rather have folks on my team that want to think and support each other, instead of mash the spacebar.
I don't know why you're getting so personal in your posts, you had a suggestion, I disagree for the points that I stated. There's no reason to get personal. And I have a life, thank you very much.
Consider yourself reported.
Edit: I take it back, I won't report you. Again, not sure where the animosity is coming from, but I don;t need it.
Nothing I suggest would prevent you of using cloak, it is just a system to prevent frustration for your opponent. You may not care for your opponent as much, but respect goes a long way. Without any opponents, you don't have a PvP to go to. And many players already have given up on PvP because of this cloaking frustration of waiting extremely long periods just to find a fight. Best example, reason why Klingons prefers fighting feds, and why feds prefer fighting other feds, in 5 vs 5 matches.
My suggested system would never affect a regular pvp players. Would only affect the cloaking ships with no end.
There you go again, not listening to what i'm posting. Why you keep replying to stuff if your not reading it. I never said anything about unfair advantage. I'm only talking about annoying players on purpose, nothing to do with PvP tactics at all. Let me put it this way, maybe your mind can comprehend. How would you like it if a 5v5 match, feds would not respawn at all for 20 mins. This is very similar to being cloak, since they are untouchable. The pvp arenas are huge and with such a low cooldown on sensor scan and short range, impossible to find klingons who wants to stay hidden.
Would that be a pleasant experience? Waiting 20 mins for action to happen again? And since they never told you they gone afk for 20 mins, you would be staring at empty screen, probably chatting, but your ship be very much idle, helpless and useless. And after all what i have said, if you can't still comprehend the frustration certain players I have seen go through for dealing with abusive usage of cloaking duration, then your nostalgia is blinding you and you'll never be able to form a proper opinion about anything to do with this game.
I apologize to be blunt, but your just trolling this thread.
1. You are not reading correctly what I post and
2. You simply post the same thing over and over without a valid argument.
In your example situation, either side could expose themselves first or stay cloaked indefinitely. It sounds like a bunch of kids are ticked off because each wants the other to bend over for them in which case both sides are full of morons and the game really should last forever. It will keep some of the other dipsticks out of queue's that I'm trying to get into.
lol, agreed Vuk. For some reason he's focused on me, and is just unwilling to listen. I have never seen this particular problem, and limiting cloak in that way would just kill immersion that much farther.
Actually, I read everything. In fact, I've gone back twice to see if I missed anything. Perhaps you're not explaining what you're suggesting as well as you think you are? Reading the other replies here by other folks leads me to believe they're seeing the same thing that I am.
Again, I've never seen it happen in ranking both a Fed and a Klink to T5.
Define "proper opinion", please. If you mean that I must form an opinion in line with yours, then no, I guess I won't. That's why it's called an opinion after all.
Why the insults? The bottom line is that you think cloak should be limited to a specific amount of time, I disagree.
As to posting the same thing over and over, of course I have, it's a valid objection to your suggestion. I'm sorry that you think I'm trolling your post, that's not my intent. My intent was to show you that I don't think that your fear of Klingons "abusing cloak" is warranted, and changing major gameplay mechanics would not be a good idea.
The reasons that it would not be a good idea:
1. It changes established gameplay mechanics.
2. It's unnecessary, I believe cloak is pretty fairly balanced, the devs did a good job with it.
3. Your suggestion would unnecessarily change canon established function of the cloak.
4. It would artificially impose rules that would break immersion.
I bet, once introduced, Feds will whine as never before(understandable somewhere) due to two factions having something they don't.
Besides this, cloaked vs cloaked can dragg on a very long time, but premades will adapt and lure other cloaked factions with lures and new strategies, all part of adapting.
So lets wait and see how big these problems pann out when the Romulans get here shall we
It's part of the daily Fed whine , eventually you get use to it . I'm looking forwardto Romulan and how they attempt to distinguish the gameplay from Klingon .
Ironically, the KvK Borg Hunt is fun and much more active...and guess what? With an objective based environment, we dont stay cloaked. The objective requires we come out of cloak.
Bad PvP mechanics cause the frustration with the cloak...the main culprit being the pointless and meaningful, objectiveless Cracked Planet...there is no reason to uncloak unless you think you have the advanatge....where you believe the oppoennet is more likly to die than you.
There is no complaint of excessive cloaking...I repeat, NO COMPLAINT, in the Cap & Hold PvP because there is purpose, purpose through objectives that cant be achieved while cloaked.
Teamdeatch match is ill-suited to handle the tactical and strategic complexities required for stealth combat designs...cloakers. Dont blame the cloakers, dont blame the cloaks...dont try and change them. Insteads, demand more intelligently and complex PvP scenerios that take the complexities of the KvF combat interaction into consideration.
Plus TDM sucks! Its time to put away that kiddie PvP and demand more.
Which brings me to another thing I just noticed... KDF Cowards that run away when they get in a little trouble instead of sticking together. I have noticed that the Feds are real good at cooperating with each other and sticking together, in spite of Hull being below 25%...
On many occasions I see Birds of Prey or Raptors running... THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!
Klingons are proud to die in combat! It is an Honor! If you can't handle the flame... GET OUT OF THE FIRE!!! - Go join the Feds and leave KDF to the Honorable, And Un-intimidated Empire!!!!
THIS IS A GAME! IF YOU BLOW UP, YOU WILL RESPAWN!!! No biggie! Don't be a scared yellow-Bellied coward and run!
Stick together, in-spite of weather you blow up or not! That is what makes PVP fun!!! A good match! -Jeez...
I still got the highest score 2 out of 3 times, (170000 or more),including Fed scores, 'Cause I DON'T RUN!!!!
Vic Rattlehead, Proud owner of a Bird Of Prey!
-UPDATE-
So that's it I've had it for a couple of days... maybe more. My Frustration level has peaked out and i am no longer having fun! I need a break from the every day bugs that affect me in this game. I cannot make any progress! I have an R.A. - Fed ship, that is maxed out and it is pointless to do anything with it as I can not get any better with it, and my KDF Toon, is not progressing either due to not enough missions, bad PVP queues, and Bugged missions. We'll see if Cryptic even cares about my absence. I will check the Forums daily and see if the 6 or so Posts i have put in in the last 24 hours are addressed... Or for that matter, A human response to my Bug-Reports!
Besides... My Wife is getting tired of hearing me rant and rave during game play, when I encounter all these problems! Good Bye For Now... Maybe 4-Ever!!!
Sai-La-Vi, People! -- Vic
Which is a nerf to cloaking. Cloaking is fine as it is.
And why should I give a **** about the frustrations of my opponents, let them be frustrated-it will push them to make a mistake that much sooner.
An honor meter? Honor measured how? by klingon or Federation standards?
I'm ammazed at how quickly the Dev's seem to be kissing the Fed's buttocks and making it easy for them to play in PvP against the klingons.
Sensor Scan is your friend......