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It's CHEYENNE NOT CONSTELLATION. DEVS READ THIS AND GET IT RIGHT.

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Alright, you guys have made mistakes before, and I've forgiven you. But I can't forgive you for this. So I hope you fix it.

THIS IS A CHEYENNE


Here is information on it.


THIS IS A CONSTELLATION

Here is information on it.


THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE IN GAME

Tell me now DEVs which class do we have in game?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Pics dont work buddy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Pics dont work buddy.

    Copy and paste the links
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Maybe its a copyright thing. It definitely IS the Cheyenne class, but perhaps Cryptic weren't able to secure the rights to keep using the name.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    If that were the case they could not continue using the model either.

    "Cheyenne" is not a copyright/trademark protected name and never can be.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Pics dont work buddy.

    These should suffice:

    Cheyenne Class

    Constellation Class

    Less than two minutes to do the research. Whoever 'fixed' this is an idiot.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I wish we had the Constellation class like in the photos.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I really dont understand why they changed it anyway.

    The Cheyenne is considered canon, and their model pretty much shows the Cheyenne Class so why for gods sake did they name it Constellation Class now???

    Please fix this! It aint the Constellation...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Pics dont work buddy.
    Copy and paste the links

    Strange they work on my end.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I agree with the OP. The model ship in-game is Cheyenne, not Constellation. I was very surprised to read that change in the latest release notes but was reserving judgement until I can get home tonight and see for myself.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Alexraptor wrote: »
    If that were the case they could not continue using the model either.

    "Cheyenne" is not a copyright/trademark protected name and never can be.

    Even if that is the case, then they should at least make up a new name. so it could be call a refit of the Cheyenne. But no, lets be lazy, and call it a ship that it is not.

    grr I Normally don't nerd rage, but they are messing with one of my favorite ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    It would be preferable to just rotate a model out if the class isn't available due to copyright. Renaming it to an incorrect (and previously established) name is odd. I'm hoping it's just an internal mistake.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Darkjedi wrote: »
    It would be preferable to just rotate a model out if the class isn't available due to copyright. Renaming it to an incorrect (and previously established) name is odd. I'm hoping it's just an internal mistake.

    That would make more sense, rename it to something that would fit, and we could call it a refit. But this was just.

    A. Laziness

    or


    B. A big mess up.



    I hope it is B.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Darkjedi wrote: »
    It would be preferable to just rotate a model out if the class isn't available due to copyright. Renaming it to an incorrect (and previously established) name is odd. I'm hoping it's just an internal mistake.

    It has nothing to do with Copyright, so why even discuss it?

    They have the Star Trek license. That license means they have access to everything that falls under Star Trek, as long as they use it under the terms of the license (ie, CBS gets a portion of the revenue, and final approval before anything is included in the game). There's no chance that they will have copyright issues with character names or ship names/images as long as they have the license, and if/when they ever lose the license, then the game won't even exist.

    Sorry to get ranty on a tangent, but this "maybe they lost the copyright" idea has been brought up multiple times already to "explain" various things in the patch, and it doesn't even make sense.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ok, I'll admit that I enjoy the game and have great faith in Cryptic (for some reason.) However, I am a bit disturbed by this. Seriously, I think you got the name change wrong. the ship in game is clearly the Cheyenne (or however it is spelled.) The old Constallations ahve pretty much all been retired (example: USS Hathway) The new Stargazer-A class is the replacement for it.

    I agree that this need addressed and corrected right away.

    thanks,
    Duncan
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Iconical wrote:
    It has nothing to do with Copyright, so why even discuss it?

    They have the Star Trek license. That license means they have access to everything that falls under Star Trek, as long as they use it under the terms of the license (ie, CBS gets a portion of the revenue, and final approval before anything is included in the game). There's no chance that they will have copyright issues with character names or ship names/images as long as they have the license, and if/when they ever lose the license, then the game won't even exist.

    Sorry to get ranty on a tangent, but this "maybe they lost the copyright" idea has been brought up multiple times already to "explain" various things in the patch, and it doesn't even make sense.
    CBS can clearly choose to change something they don't like - such as the name of the Cheyenne. It's possible the writer who created the Cheyenne demanded royalties for its use in STO. For example, Nick Locarno was changed to Tom Paris in Voyager because Paramount didn't want to pay royalties to TNG writers who created Locarno.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    CBS can clearly choose to change something they don't like - such as the name of the Cheyenne. It's possible the writer who created the Cheyenne demanded royalties for its use in STO. For example, Nick Locarno was changed to Tom Paris in Voyager because Paramount didn't want to pay royalties to TNG writers who created Locarno.

    The only problem with that is the fact that they now have to pay it to the maker of the Constellation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Running around looking at things...

    Can't actually find any text referring to it as "Constellation".
    So maybe the patch note was slightly wrong? Maybe they meant to say the reversed? *shrug*

    Anyone else that has done the same? As in actually looking at the text in game...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Chat wrote:
    Running around looking at things...

    Can't actually find any text referring to it as "Constellation".
    So maybe the patch note was slightly wrong? Maybe they meant to say the reversed? *shrug*

    Anyone else that has done the same? As in actually looking at the text in game...

    Ship list heavy Cruisers
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Zodi-emish wrote:
    The only problem with that is the fact that they now have to pay it to the maker of the Constellation.
    Constellation might have been written under a different agreement with the authors so as CBS own the ship outright. Current issues all stems from the royalty agreements the writer's guild put in place several years ago.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    If only a tester or two had noticed this before it went live.

    Oh well
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Zodi-emish wrote:
    Been like that since launch and before... And still not in game.

    for clarity... IN GAME
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I would love a Constellation class.

    What we have in game is not a Constellation class >.<
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    Constellation might have been written under a different agreement with the authors so as CBS own the ship outright. Current issues all stems from the royalty agreements the writer's guild put in place several years ago.

    true, but wouldn't common sense say to make up your own name for it? added to that I thought CBS checked everything, how could they write off on that?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Chat wrote:
    Been like that since launch and before... And still not in game.

    for clarity... IN GAME

    That begs the question, did they have this messed up from the start?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Had a min over...

    The 2 obvious spots...
    Ship vendor.
    In game ship database.


    Zodi-emish wrote:
    That begs the question, did they have this messed up from the start?
    First rule of the ship database on the main site... Do not talk about the ship database.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Zodi-emish wrote:
    true, but wouldn't common sense say to make up your own name for it? added to that I thought CBS checked everything, how could they write off on that?
    Things get overlooked in licenses all the time. It could be the person who cross-checked didn't even know the difference; until the author brought it to their attention. I've been involved in a couple of situations like that myself. Or it could be something else entirely. I'm simply saying that copyright/royalty issues could be the reason for the change.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    You know whats really sad, all though beta they were refering to the Cheyenne as the Constellation class, loads of players let the devs know they were refering to the ship with the wrong class name so they fixed it so the Cheyenne was referred to as the Cheyenne (Because thats what class it is). Know, only a few months later they are reverting it back to the wrong name again..........

    It has nothing to do with copyrights, this is simply someone at Cryptic thats gotten confused and reverted a fixed name back to a broken name.... *sighs*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Chat wrote:
    First rule of the ship database on the main site... Do not talk about the ship database.

    It's to early, and to sad for fight club references. ( they Violated my ship ) I think I'm going to go sit in a corner and cry. :(:(:(:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm really disappointed that Cryptic totally ignored the Testers, which noticed this back with Tribble's notes.

    They claim to researched Star Trek and listen to their player base, but in this case its obviously aren't doing either. :rolleyes:

    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    Constellation might have been written under a different agreement with the authors so as CBS own the ship outright. Current issues all stems from the royalty agreements the writer's guild put in place several years ago.

    The name is owned by Paramount, so there shouldn't be a problem.

    And they can't call the Cheyenne-class Constellation, because its canon that Picard's first command, the Stargazer, was a Constellation class. Which is a completely different model than the Cheyenne.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Nevermind.
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