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What Happened to the Enterprise-D?

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It's a question that I wondered for a while, and yes I know it was destroyed above Veridian III in generations, but the saucer section is still intact. (mostly ) So what do you think happened to it, did they leave it there, or did they come back and take it apart? that is the question, and the best that I can come up with is the fact that, she is still sitting there on Veridian III. At least in the prime time line,

In the Shatnerverse Riker destroyed it, but that was because it was attacked by the borg / Romulan allince.
( ??? )

"Commander Riker later revisited the crash site to head up a team to dismantle the remains of the ship, so that if and when the natives of Veridian IV ever achieved spaceflight and visited Veridian III they would not discover the crashed starship. After a Romulan attack, Riker activated the saucer's auto-destruct sequence, leading to the ship's final destruction. While the blast totally obliterated the surrounding area, Riker decided that it would be less harmful for explorers from Veridian IV to find a huge crater rather than the remains of the Enterprise-D. (TOS novel: The Return) "

Personally I take the Shatverse with a grain of salt, but that doesn't answer the question. What happened to the Enterprise-D?

This also got me thinking, How neat would it be to have a mission to Veridian III, and have it involve the saucer section of the Enterprise-D. Maybe something got left. Maybe that Priceless artifact that Picard tossed at the end of generations to find his photo album. I don't know, it mite be a silly idea, but on the other hand it would be neat to explore the ship. we could land on the outside, and have to find a hatch to the inside. something like that.

So the question is, What do you think happened to the Enterprise-D's saucer Section after Generations?

And Would you like to have a mission in the future that would take you to the crash site?


(Also If you answer along the lines "it was destroyed" or anything else that deals with the end of generation, then all that means is you did not take the time to read. :D So I got you. )
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I seem to recall reading a book that was NOT part of the "Shatnerverse" that had the Federation dismantling the ship piece by piece and hauling it away as salvage. There was also some nonsense about the Borg working with the Romulans to clone Kirk, but I don't recall anyone blowing up the saucer.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    There was also some nonsense about the Borg working with the Romulans to clone Kirk, but I don't recall anyone blowing up the saucer.

    That was "The Return," by Shatner.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Well nevermind, then. Carry on.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    IT WAS TRIBBLE BY TRADERS,HORDERS, LOW WARP CIVS. FOR SCRAP SAD SAD, WHY WOULD RIKER BLOW IT UP I GUESS THEY COULDNT TRACTOR BEAM IT OUT TO SAD to bad i love that galaxy class ship cant wait till i get one,
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I seem to recall reading a book that was NOT part of the "Shatnerverse" that had the Federation dismantling the ship piece by piece and hauling it away as salvage. There was also some nonsense about the Borg working with the Romulans to clone Kirk, but I don't recall anyone blowing up the saucer.
    That was "The Return," by Shatner.

    Yea that's shatnerverse, the only universe where william's shatner's ego can live. ( it is strange, it always seems that he is the only who can save the universe? what's up with that? Narcissistic maybe?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I seem to recall reading a book that was NOT part of the "Shatnerverse" that had the Federation dismantling the ship piece by piece and hauling it away as salvage.

    That would be from the really rather good novel, "Ship of the Line," where Morgan Bateson engages in verbal krav maga with Riker over life in the future. An great scene in a pretty good book.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    100% sure they sent some salvagers and pretty much took everything for scrap.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Zodi-emish wrote:
    Yea that's shatnerverse, the only universe where william's shatner's ego can live. ( it is strange, it always seems that he is the only who can save the universe? what's up with that? Narcissistic maybe?

    The sad thing is, at least in the Mirror Universe Saga, some of the tech, some of the concepts, and some of the ideas about the Mirror Universe really aren't that bad. It's just saddled with something of a fanfic premise and shaky characterizations.

    I'll say this much, though: It's better than Dreadnought! which pretty much defines Mary Sue fanfic for Trek.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I agree with some of the others, it was most likely hauled away by the Federation. As far as "do I want a mission related to it", the answer is no. In fact, I kinda feel like we have enough of those already. It just seems like it happens too much. In the show when one episode related to another (especially across different series) it was pretty spaced out, and seemed random. The way it is here, to me, makes it feel more like someone just got lazy in the writing department.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The Enteprise-D was destroyed by the Klingon BOP just as you saw in Generations. Riker, Troi and a salvage team were there collecting the "valuable" parts of the ship to return for scrapping at starfleet. Phaser banks, computer cores, the kinda TRIBBLE they dont share with other races.

    At the same time, Spock was with an honour guard who were collecting Kirk's remains to return to Earth. Teh whole project involved the prime directive, Starfleet didn't want the aliens on Veridian II to find a starship hull and an alien corpse on their nearby planet when they eventually got into space.

    While they were at the site, the USS Farragut (The Nebula class ship at the end of generations) was attacked and destroyed, the Romulans shelled the E-D's wreck and killed most of the ground crew, they beamed up Kirk's corpse and reanimated it in the same process 7 of 9 used to revive Neelix in "Mortal Coil". They then shoved an implant in Kirk's brain and convinced him that he was a survivor of an attack by the Enterprise-D - which was attacking his "Romulan" family and homeworld under the orders of Picard. So Kirk set off to find Picard (who was awaiting reassignment with the rest of the Ent-D crew) and tried to kill him.

    That's the gist of the story, kinda plausible really (At least compared to the normal voyager episodes), and it wasn't that bad.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    count23 wrote: »
    The Enteprise-D was destroyed by the Klingon BOP just as you saw in Generations. Riker, Troi and a salvage team were there collecting the "valuable" parts of the ship to return for scrapping at starfleet. Phaser banks, computer cores, the kinda TRIBBLE they dont share with other races.

    At the same time, Spock was with an honour guard who were collecting Kirk's remains to return to Earth. Teh whole project involved the prime directive, Starfleet didn't want the aliens on Veridian II to find a starship hull and an alien corpse on their nearby planet when they eventually got into space.

    While they were at the site, the USS Farragut (The Nebula class ship at the end of generations) was attacked and destroyed, the Romulans shelled the E-D's wreck and killed most of the ground crew, they beamed up Kirk's corpse and reanimated it in the same process 7 of 9 used to revive Neelix in "Mortal Coil". They then shoved an implant in Kirk's brain and convinced him that he was a survivor of an attack by the Enterprise-D - which was attacking his "Romulan" family and homeworld under the orders of Picard. So Kirk set off to find Picard (who was awaiting reassignment with the rest of the Ent-D crew) and tried to kill him.

    That's the gist of the story, kinda plausible really (At least compared to the normal voyager episodes), and it wasn't that bad.

    Yeah, that's from 'The Return,' which is from the so-called 'Shatnerverse,' or Bill Shatner's foray into Trek fiction. Again, the sad thing is, the Shatverse isn't as horrible as some fanfic out there, it gets some of the tech really well, and it has some good concepts, but the shaky characterizations and somewhat frentic (if not horribly-done) pacing don't help it.

    Honestly, if his books didn't focus so much on KIRK SAVIOUR OF US ALL! they'd not be bad, at least the equal of anything in Voyager, almost the equal of the Destiny trilogy. But the Gary Stu aspects of them just really kinda detract from the whole.

    There's a whole 'nother thread already arguing about canon and canonicity (and probably three or four other threads under the radar, to say nothing of the forums at startrek.com) so Imma not gonna get into that here. =)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    V-Mink wrote:
    Yeah, that's from 'The Return,' which is from the so-called 'Shatnerverse,' or Bill Shatner's foray into Trek fiction. Again, the sad thing is, the Shatverse isn't as horrible as some fanfic out there, it gets some of the tech really well, and it has some good concepts, but the shaky characterizations and somewhat frentic (if not horribly-done) pacing don't help it.

    Honestly, if his books didn't focus so much on KIRK SAVIOUR OF US ALL! they'd not be bad, at least the equal of anything in Voyager, almost the equal of the Destiny trilogy. But the Gary Stu aspects of them just really kinda detract from the whole.

    There's a whole 'nother thread already arguing about canon and canonicity (and probably three or four other threads under the radar, to say nothing of the forums at startrek.com) so Imma not gonna get into that here. =)

    I know where it was from, I was answering the OP's question and teh few followers posts which didnt really make sense to me :).

    The Return was execuetd pretty well, so was the rest of the Shatnerverse books, but you have to understand something here. Of course it was going to be based on Kirk, there's already the TNG Relaunch, DS9 Relaunch, Voyager Relaunch, Enterprise Relaunch, New Frontier, SCE, Klingon Empire, Vanguard and a bunch other book series revolving around other characters, naturally this one was going to revolve around Kirk - there isn't much TOS book stuff out there these days and the only way to pull it off was to tie it into the 24th century.

    Let's face it, the "Mirror Universe" Trilogy had to revolve around Kirk, that just made sense to the plot. But the other two trilogies, the "Return" one and the "Captain's bleh" ones seemed to do a Kirk-Picard dynamic similar to the Picard-Data, or Kirk-Spock one. Where each character had equal footing, and storywise, Kirk wasn't that important to the ""Captain's" trilogy, Spock was, and he wasn't the core of the Return trilogy, Picard was. Kirk was a more a supportnig role in those ones.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The issue is that written material, unless otherwise specifically stated by Paramount and the Star Trek show producers, and even Gene Roddenberry at one point, is never canon. You can right a novel where Picard and Janeway marry and have a kid who becomes the Klingon leader and it won't matter for canon. It doesn't count. So, fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view, the events in The Return do not matter.

    With that said, it was never officially explained what happened to the remains of the Enterprise-D. But, after having the stardrive section explode, and the saucer section crash, it mostly likely was salvaged. The time, effort, and resources to try and lift the saucer from the planet, without destroying it outright were probably deemed not worthy.

    In the book, Ship of the Line, there is a part where Morgan Bateson (in trying to get Riker to start liking him) shows Riker where a few "parts" of the Enterprise-D are built into the Enterprise-E. But again, books are not generally considered canon.

    My personal opinion is that the ship was deemed to damaged to salvage back into a working ship. And while they could have fit the saucer section onto another stardrive section, it's probably pretty unlikely that starfleet just had a stardrive section lying around that they could use. With the pre-warp civilization on Veridian 4, it was most likely easier to just haul away the ship as scrap.

    *Edit - I understand that Gene Roddenberry is gone. What I mean by that sentence above is that when he was alive, I believe that he was quoted directly as saying that books are not to be considered canon. I could be wrong on that though. I'll have to look it up sometime to be sure.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Qaeylen wrote: »
    The issue is that written material, unless otherwise specifically stated by Paramount and the Star Trek show producers, and even Gene Roddenberry at one point, is never canon. You can right a novel where Picard and Janeway marry and have a kid who becomes the Klingon leader and it won't matter for canon. It doesn't count. So, fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view, the events in The Return do not matter.

    With that said, it was never officially explained what happened to the remains of the Enterprise-D. But, after having the stardrive section explode, and the saucer section crash, it mostly likely was salvaged. The time, effort, and resources to try and lift the saucer from the planet, without destroying it outright were probably deemed not worthy.

    In the book, Ship of the Line, there is a part where Morgan Bateson (in trying to get Riker to start liking him) shows Riker where a few "parts" of the Enterprise-D are built into the Enterprise-E. But again, books are not generally considered canon.

    My personal opinion is that the ship was deemed to damaged to salvage back into a working ship. And while they could have fit the saucer section onto another stardrive section, it's probably pretty unlikely that starfleet just had a stardrive section lying around that they could use. With the pre-warp civilization on Veridian 4, it was most likely easier to just haul away the ship as scrap.

    *Edit - I understand that Gene Roddenberry is gone. What I mean by that sentence above is that when he was alive, I believe that he was quoted directly as saying that books are not to be considered canon. I could be wrong on that though. I'll have to look it up sometime to be sure.

    Go to Memory Alpha and look under the Policies and Guidelines select Canon and it will tell you everthing about what is Canon and what is not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Qaeylen wrote: »
    The issue is that written material, unless otherwise specifically stated by Paramount and the Star Trek show producers, and even Gene Roddenberry at one point, is never canon. You can right a novel where Picard and Janeway marry and have a kid who becomes the Klingon leader and it won't matter for canon. It doesn't count. So, fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your point of view, the events in The Return do not matter.

    With that said, it was never officially explained what happened to the remains of the Enterprise-D. But, after having the stardrive section explode, and the saucer section crash, it mostly likely was salvaged. The time, effort, and resources to try and lift the saucer from the planet, without destroying it outright were probably deemed not worthy.

    In the book, Ship of the Line, there is a part where Morgan Bateson (in trying to get Riker to start liking him) shows Riker where a few "parts" of the Enterprise-D are built into the Enterprise-E. But again, books are not generally considered canon.

    My personal opinion is that the ship was deemed to damaged to salvage back into a working ship. And while they could have fit the saucer section onto another stardrive section, it's probably pretty unlikely that starfleet just had a stardrive section lying around that they could use. With the pre-warp civilization on Veridian 4, it was most likely easier to just haul away the ship as scrap.

    *Edit - I understand that Gene Roddenberry is gone. What I mean by that sentence above is that when he was alive, I believe that he was quoted directly as saying that books are not to be considered canon. I could be wrong on that though. I'll have to look it up sometime to be sure.

    Actually, the "offical" explanation is provided in the TNG technical manual the Okuda's wrote. GAlaxy class saucers are designed to crash land, but are unsalvagable once they do so. Tie that in with the prime directive and starfleet never allowing aliens to keep federation technology, it just makes sense that the ship was salvaged and scrapped.

    And while yes, the books aren't canon, the Picard-Janeway concept thing you described would never happen. There is a vetting official at Paramount/CBS that authorizes and deauthorizes certain story concepts for novels as they come. She actually coordinated the concept of creating the STar Trek Expanded universe after the various TV series ended and ensure that all the relaunches and spinoff series (new frontier, sce) follow the same timeline.

    SO if you really wnat to get down to it, you could say that the relaunch series is canon, to a point, if you want, you could use that stupid Lucas Holocron thing for canon and say hte novels are N-Canon while the TV series and films are Canon.

    I dunno, but you get the idea.

    So really, canon reference or not, they would never have left a "at the time" state of the art class starship wreck sitting on a planet in the middle of nowhere without first removing anything valuable and preventing the pre-warp culture on the planet nearby from finding evidence of an alien ship on one of their solar system planets.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    count23 wrote: »
    Actually, the "offical" explanation is provided in the TNG technical manual the Okuda's wrote. GAlaxy class saucers are designed to crash land, but are unsalvagable once they do so.

    Umm, no. They are designed to make emergency planetside landings. However, they cannot lift off of the ground by themselves, they must be pulled back into space by tractor beam. They can, however, land safely. Problem with the D was, the saucer lost almost complete control of its maneuvering thrusters as well as the impulse engines. So there was very little they could do to make a controlled landing... especially since they were accelerated toward the planet by the core breach shockwave.

    As for the rest of the discussion, lots of people have said it already. Books aren't canon. The saucer got scrapped for parts. Farragut's still intact. Kirk's still dead and likely buried on Earth.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Go to Memory Alpha and look under the Policies and Guidelines select Canon and it will tell you everthing about what is Canon and what is not.
    memory alpha. A fan wiki written by fans for fans does not get the right to decide what they think is canon. Nor do any fans. It's a long ago forgotten continuity archive that obsessive lunatics have turned into a bible. A bible who's 'facts' float to serve whichever obsessive is screaming the 'canon' at the time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Large parts of the Enterprise-D's saucer section were salvaged and repurposed for the construction of the hull of my ship, the Galaxy-class USS Exeter. There, that's what happened. :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    memory alpha. A fan wiki written by fans for fans does not get the right to decide what they think is canon. Nor do any fans. It's a long ago forgotten continuity archive that obsessive lunatics have turned into a bible. A bible who's 'facts' float to serve whichever obsessive is screaming the 'canon' at the time.

    It's just the easiest place to access it. It's been generally accepted and agreed upon by most everyone out there... fan, writer, production crew alike... if it didn't happen on screen, it never happened.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    RCSlyman wrote: »
    It's just the easiest place to access it. It's been generally accepted and agreed upon by most everyone out there... fan, writer, production crew alike... if it didn't happen on screen, it never happened.

    I'm sure that in general on STO people are going to come up with their own versions of canon since STO is its own AU. Captain Bob might write in his character bio that he has a certain background the Captain Steve's background might totally disagree with. That's just the way MMOs work.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm pretty sure that in the movie they said it was unsalvagable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm sure that in general on STO people are going to come up with their own versions of canon since STO is its own AU. Captain Bob might write in his character bio that he has a certain background the Captain Steve's background might totally disagree with. That's just the way MMOs work.

    That's why this game isn't canon. Parts of it may get used by someone down the line in a book or something, but to me... it stopped having even the potential of being canonized when the Dividians showed up.

    And yeah, two players may have conflicting stories. Heck, myself and another player both captain our own Prometheus-class USS Perseus. I gotta wonder if it's the same, right down to the registry number... cuz that'd just be too wierd.
    ACES_HIGH wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that in the movie they said it was unsalvagable.

    They did. Doesn't mean it can't be hauled off as scrap. Just means it can't be reused as is.
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