Although I've been pretty vocal the past few weeks, I have to give some Kudos to Cryptic for the Chase Masterson thing, some of the content of engineering reports, and what is planned for season 2. I will continue to subscribe for the next few months to support Cryptic, even if I may not play the game much.
The game has so much unrealized potential, and seeing Cryptic interact with users is impressive, even though it seems obvious that the game is in trouble.
I will try to do my part to be more constructive, especially since Cryptic has been responsive to several of my ideas, especially when other players shared them.
I think that most of my rage has stemmed from just how much hope I had for this game, coupled with how much negativity the game is (justifiably) generating among players and critics. But the rage is directed more at what is unfinished than it is directed at core design choices. Basically, I hate what isn't there more than I hate what is there. So, it is possible that the game could grow into what it should have been at launch.
Also, I think it's fairer to blame Atari for the rushed timetable, certain marketing decisions, etc.,
Plus:
I figure that if I dished out $400 to own each season of ENTERPRISE on DVD (a show that I hate) simply to support Star Trek, then I can dish out $30 or $45 more dollars to support STO. Additionally, I kind of feel part of a community on these forums, even though I don't when playing the game.
Anyways, there is my "pay attention to me" thread of the day.
Yeah, game is "in trouble", and I'm not necessarily exstatic about it considering I'm a LTS. I agree that it seems there's a ton of attention going into little things that don't necessarily matter much when it looks like big things are missing, like the Klingon faction's entire GAME.
But note how I use terms like "looks like" and "it seems", because honestly those are the only terms I can use. Having not been there in the studio looking at their milestones, I don't know what they're doing in regards to future projects. And if the calendar is to be believed, the Klingon faction's "game" will arrive in Season 2. Which will be the point in time that I actually bother to fire UP the Klingon faction at all, because right now its not worth playing.
So the most we can do is "stick around" until it improves or the bottom falls out (well, at least thats all "I" can do, considering I paid a ton of money to do so). But if I were them, I would do things like start putting a lot of the things they plan for the C-Store into the game for free, making the character creator more robust (long hair styles, wavy hair, curly hair, freckles, more alien parts than horns for crying out loud), and just work on making the game feel more like "Star Trek". Cause that's the nitty gritty of it. If you can get that down, most people will quiet a bit.
Oh, and make crafting actually create exclusive items. Not just upgrade ones you already have.
Yeah, game is "in trouble", and I'm not necessarily exstatic about it considering I'm a LTS. I agree that it seems there's a ton of attention going into little things that don't necessarily matter much when it looks like big things are missing, like the Klingon faction's entire GAME.
But note how I use terms like "looks like" and "it seems", because honestly those are the only terms I can use. Having not been there in the studio looking at their milestones, I don't know what they're doing in regards to future projects. And if the calendar is to be believed, the Klingon faction's "game" will arrive in Season 2. Which will be the point in time that I actually bother to fire UP the Klingon faction at all, because right now its not worth playing.
So the most we can do is "stick around" until it improves or the bottom falls out (well, at least thats all "I" can do, considering I paid a ton of money to do so). But if I were them, I would do things like start putting a lot of the things they plan for the C-Store into the game for free, making the character creator more robust (long hair styles, wavy hair, curly hair, freckles, more alien parts than horns for crying out loud), and just work on making the game feel more like "Star Trek". Cause that's the nitty gritty of it. If you can get that down, most people will quiet a bit.
Oh, and make crafting actually create exclusive items. Not just upgrade ones you already have.
If you weren't a lifer and had to choose between paying for another month or coming back in 6 months to decide if the game is worth another $15, what would you choose?
I pay $15 per month just to play it as is. It comes down to how much you value $15 bucks and how much fun it purchases for you. I don't care about bridges and hallways so some things on the horizon are just resource drains for stuff I would rather see worked on. In the end, when I buy my daily $3.90 non-fat, no whip, white mocha, I realize that my concept of money is perverted.
That said, I appreciate all the folks that voice their ideas and are not afraid to keep the pressure up to improve the product.
Although I've been pretty vocal the past few weeks, I have to give some Kudos to Cryptic for the Chase Masterson thing, some of the content of engineering reports, and what is planned for season 2. I will continue to subscribe for the next few months to support Cryptic, even if I may not play the game much.
The game has so much unrealized potential, and seeing Cryptic interact with users is impressive, even though it seems obvious that the game is in trouble.
I will try to do my part to be more constructive, especially since Cryptic has been responsive to several of my ideas, especially when other players shared them.
I think that most of my rage has stemmed from just how much hope I had for this game, coupled with how much negativity the game is (justifiably) generating among players and critics. But the rage is directed more at what is unfinished than it is directed at core design choices. Basically, I hate what isn't there more than I hate what is there. So, it is possible that the game could grow into what it should have been at launch.
Also, I think it's fairer to blame Atari for the rushed timetable, certain marketing decisions, etc.,
Plus:
I figure that if I dished out $400 to own each season of ENTERPRISE on DVD (a show that I hate) simply to support Star Trek, then I can dish out $30 or $45 more dollars to support STO. Additionally, I kind of feel part of a community on these forums, even though I don't when playing the game.
Anyways, there is my "pay attention to me" thread of the day.
Although I've been pretty vocal the past few weeks, I have to give some Kudos to Cryptic for the Chase Masterson thing, some of the content of engineering reports, and what is planned for season 2. I will continue to subscribe for the next few months to support Cryptic, even if I may not play the game much.
The game has so much unrealized potential, and seeing Cryptic interact with users is impressive, even though it seems obvious that the game is in trouble.
I will try to do my part to be more constructive, especially since Cryptic has been responsive to several of my ideas, especially when other players shared them.
I think that most of my rage has stemmed from just how much hope I had for this game, coupled with how much negativity the game is (justifiably) generating among players and critics. But the rage is directed more at what is unfinished than it is directed at core design choices. Basically, I hate what isn't there more than I hate what is there. So, it is possible that the game could grow into what it should have been at launch.
Also, I think it's fairer to blame Atari for the rushed timetable, certain marketing decisions, etc.,
Plus:
I figure that if I dished out $400 to own each season of ENTERPRISE on DVD (a show that I hate) simply to support Star Trek, then I can dish out $30 or $45 more dollars to support STO. Additionally, I kind of feel part of a community on these forums, even though I don't when playing the game.
Anyways, there is my "pay attention to me" thread of the day.
I respect what you are saying and I am glad you are not quitting. This game needs all types of people including those who rage against the game. The only way this game will get better is if it has frank and open discussion from all kinds, fanboi's and haterz alike.
I will venture to say you have contributed to the game and to the community and I am glad you are staying for a while longer.
I figure that if I dished out $400 to own each season of ENTERPRISE on DVD (a show that I hate) simply to support Star Trek, then I can dish out $30 or $45 more dollars to support STO. Additionally, I kind of feel part of a community on these forums, even though I don't when playing the game.
Watch it like this, and you might actually be surprised.
Watch it while playing a drinking game. Once you become completely hammered, the movie is alright... Or maybe thats because I fell asleep halfway through.
Although I've been pretty vocal the past few weeks, I have to give some Kudos to Cryptic for the Chase Masterson thing, some of the content of engineering reports, and what is planned for season 2. I will continue to subscribe for the next few months to support Cryptic, even if I may not play the game much.
The game has so much unrealized potential, and seeing Cryptic interact with users is impressive, even though it seems obvious that the game is in trouble.
I will try to do my part to be more constructive, especially since Cryptic has been responsive to several of my ideas, especially when other players shared them.
I think that most of my rage has stemmed from just how much hope I had for this game, coupled with how much negativity the game is (justifiably) generating among players and critics. But the rage is directed more at what is unfinished than it is directed at core design choices. Basically, I hate what isn't there more than I hate what is there. So, it is possible that the game could grow into what it should have been at launch.
Also, I think it's fairer to blame Atari for the rushed timetable, certain marketing decisions, etc.,
Plus:
I figure that if I dished out $400 to own each season of ENTERPRISE on DVD (a show that I hate) simply to support Star Trek, then I can dish out $30 or $45 more dollars to support STO. Additionally, I kind of feel part of a community on these forums, even though I don't when playing the game.
Anyways, there is my "pay attention to me" thread of the day.
A wise descision.
Cryptic do appear to be heading in the right direction with STO.
I choose to continue to sub support the improvement.
Frankly, things can only get better and i believe will.
It was good news to hear about the Chase Masterton contact.
Lets hope it works out for all concerned.
I honestly started to think I was the only person here who enjoyed Enterprise... for me... the best ST everything after season 2 of TNG... with the exception of some of TOS, some TOS movies, and a few episodes of TNG from season 1 and 2 (just a few)...
Had the Enterprise gotten another season... I think it would have done better... that and if Paramount had not shafted them so hard time slot wise... I enjoyed S1 greatly... S2 was meh... S3 was a nice long story arc and well done out... and S4 really felt better connected to previous series...
Had the Enterprise gotten another season... I think it would have done better... that and if Paramount had not shafted them so hard time slot wise... I enjoyed S1 greatly... S2 was meh... S3 was a nice long story arc and well done out... and S4 really felt better connected to previous series...
It wasn't just a shafting, it was a royal TRIBBLE. There were also the older Trekkers who through DS9 and Voyager complained that canon was changed and Roddenberry was God (and he was, he created Trek! But I still prefered post-Roddenberry stuff) and when Enterprise came out as a prequel and *gasp* tried to update Trek and tweaked canon again, the Trekkers stopped watching - and thanks to THEM almost caused the death of Trek which Abrams (whether you liked or hated the new movie) resurrected for a new generation of viewers.
But you are right, S1 was great (Minus about 6-8 episodes), S2 was great (Minus about 8-10 episodes), and then Season 3 and 4 were f'n awesome and makes me cry at how amazing seasons 5-7 would have been.
Although I've been pretty vocal the past few weeks, I have to give some Kudos to Cryptic for the Chase Masterson thing, some of the content of engineering reports, and what is planned for season 2. I will continue to subscribe for the next few months to support Cryptic, even if I may not play the game much.
The game has so much unrealized potential, and seeing Cryptic interact with users is impressive, even though it seems obvious that the game is in trouble.
I will try to do my part to be more constructive, especially since Cryptic has been responsive to several of my ideas, especially when other players shared them.
I think that most of my rage has stemmed from just how much hope I had for this game, coupled with how much negativity the game is (justifiably) generating among players and critics. But the rage is directed more at what is unfinished than it is directed at core design choices. Basically, I hate what isn't there more than I hate what is there. So, it is possible that the game could grow into what it should have been at launch.
Also, I think it's fairer to blame Atari for the rushed timetable, certain marketing decisions, etc.,
Plus:
I figure that if I dished out $400 to own each season of ENTERPRISE on DVD (a show that I hate) simply to support Star Trek, then I can dish out $30 or $45 more dollars to support STO. Additionally, I kind of feel part of a community on these forums, even though I don't when playing the game.
Anyways, there is my "pay attention to me" thread of the day.
You really should read Storm_dragons post...I think it may be beneficial.
If you weren't a lifer and had to choose between paying for another month or coming back in 6 months to decide if the game is worth another $15, what would you choose?
That's a lot of money you spent on a DVD set for a series you don't even like.
That really does kind of have to weigh in on your decision with STO I'd say.
If you weren't a lifer and had to choose between paying for another month or coming back in 6 months to decide if the game is worth another $15, what would you choose?
Bah. Enterprise isn't really what this thread is about.
Kirkfat didn't like it. BUT ... still spent 400 bucks on it.
That creates two very compelling points of interest ...
1- If he's willing to shell out 400 bucks on a series he knows he didn't like, just to support all things Trek ... then the 15 bucks a month sub fee seems like no big deal. Even if he hates this game.
2- But he's down 400 bucks and that may seriously impede his willingness to want to support Trek as blindly as he once did with the DVD purchase.
Watch it like this, and you might actually be surprised.
I refuse to re-watch it until they strip the theme song out of every episode, the mirror universe episodes were fine, though. Whoever chose to use that crappy song deserves to live under a cage full of monkeys suffering from explosive diarrhea.
It did seem to be getting better at the end, until the last episode.
It did not appeal to the majority of Trekkies, and since it was a Trek show, it did not appeal to majority of non- Trekkies, it was doomed because of that, they failed to entertain their target audience, pardon me, the majority of their target audience.
Is it the fault of the fans? No... They have been watching Star Trek for 40 years and would like to watch it 40 more... Blame CBS for dishing out TRIBBLE with a Star Trek logo on it.
And to Kirkfat:
Thanks for staying, your avatars are always a welcome sight and some of your posts give me a chuckle.
I quit quitting too. I love the space combat too much...I'm addicted to it.
Honestly I've been watching Star Trek since around 1975...that's about as far back as I can remember...I was 4 going on 5 with dreams and aspirations only a kid that age could comprehend. Then a few years later a movie came out that changed everything...but I won't go into that, I'm sure you can guess it.
At any rate you might say I was 'born at the right time' to be totally hooked on sci-fi and I like many other here have to believe...or is it faith?...that STO will become something larger than we can presently realize.
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Glad you're not giving up, and I'm glad you realize your passion is well founded, and directed in the right place.
Yeah, game is "in trouble", and I'm not necessarily exstatic about it considering I'm a LTS. I agree that it seems there's a ton of attention going into little things that don't necessarily matter much when it looks like big things are missing, like the Klingon faction's entire GAME.
But note how I use terms like "looks like" and "it seems", because honestly those are the only terms I can use. Having not been there in the studio looking at their milestones, I don't know what they're doing in regards to future projects. And if the calendar is to be believed, the Klingon faction's "game" will arrive in Season 2. Which will be the point in time that I actually bother to fire UP the Klingon faction at all, because right now its not worth playing.
So the most we can do is "stick around" until it improves or the bottom falls out (well, at least thats all "I" can do, considering I paid a ton of money to do so). But if I were them, I would do things like start putting a lot of the things they plan for the C-Store into the game for free, making the character creator more robust (long hair styles, wavy hair, curly hair, freckles, more alien parts than horns for crying out loud), and just work on making the game feel more like "Star Trek". Cause that's the nitty gritty of it. If you can get that down, most people will quiet a bit.
Oh, and make crafting actually create exclusive items. Not just upgrade ones you already have.
If you weren't a lifer and had to choose between paying for another month or coming back in 6 months to decide if the game is worth another $15, what would you choose?
You mean there's something here OTHER THAN his avatar? :eek:
That said, I appreciate all the folks that voice their ideas and are not afraid to keep the pressure up to improve the product.
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I respect what you are saying and I am glad you are not quitting. This game needs all types of people including those who rage against the game. The only way this game will get better is if it has frank and open discussion from all kinds, fanboi's and haterz alike.
I will venture to say you have contributed to the game and to the community and I am glad you are staying for a while longer.
Don't hate Enterprise!
Watch it in this order:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=110607
I've been 'tweaking' my guide but watch it like this, please. You'll see Enterprise in a totally different light!
No matter how you watch it, Enterprise sucks
Watch it like this, and you might actually be surprised.
Watch it while playing a drinking game. Once you become completely hammered, the movie is alright... Or maybe thats because I fell asleep halfway through.
No matter how you watch it, Enterprise was awesome.
Only if you were dropped on your head as a child.
As far as watching it the other way? What? and lose my ability to be irrational about a TV show... NEVER:D
Cryptic do appear to be heading in the right direction with STO.
I choose to continue to sub support the improvement.
Frankly, things can only get better and i believe will.
It was good news to hear about the Chase Masterton contact.
Lets hope it works out for all concerned.
A worthy Trek series!
Had the Enterprise gotten another season... I think it would have done better... that and if Paramount had not shafted them so hard time slot wise... I enjoyed S1 greatly... S2 was meh... S3 was a nice long story arc and well done out... and S4 really felt better connected to previous series...
I should buy everyone at Cryptic a round of drinks.
It wasn't just a shafting, it was a royal TRIBBLE. There were also the older Trekkers who through DS9 and Voyager complained that canon was changed and Roddenberry was God (and he was, he created Trek! But I still prefered post-Roddenberry stuff) and when Enterprise came out as a prequel and *gasp* tried to update Trek and tweaked canon again, the Trekkers stopped watching - and thanks to THEM almost caused the death of Trek which Abrams (whether you liked or hated the new movie) resurrected for a new generation of viewers.
But you are right, S1 was great (Minus about 6-8 episodes), S2 was great (Minus about 8-10 episodes), and then Season 3 and 4 were f'n awesome and makes me cry at how amazing seasons 5-7 would have been.
There are Enterprise books out now that fix that TRIBBLE-TRIBBLE ending. Read them, they make sense and do NOT change the end of Enterprise. Seriously
You really should read Storm_dragons post...I think it may be beneficial.
That's a lot of money you spent on a DVD set for a series you don't even like.
That really does kind of have to weigh in on your decision with STO I'd say.
In that situation, I would wait the six months.
I've heard that a lot.
That is why I have refused to watch the last episode.
If I don't see it it didn't happen!
Kirkfat didn't like it. BUT ... still spent 400 bucks on it.
That creates two very compelling points of interest ...
1- If he's willing to shell out 400 bucks on a series he knows he didn't like, just to support all things Trek ... then the 15 bucks a month sub fee seems like no big deal. Even if he hates this game.
2- But he's down 400 bucks and that may seriously impede his willingness to want to support Trek as blindly as he once did with the DVD purchase.
It is a fascinating dilemma.
I refuse to re-watch it until they strip the theme song out of every episode, the mirror universe episodes were fine, though. Whoever chose to use that crappy song deserves to live under a cage full of monkeys suffering from explosive diarrhea.
It did seem to be getting better at the end, until the last episode.
It did not appeal to the majority of Trekkies, and since it was a Trek show, it did not appeal to majority of non- Trekkies, it was doomed because of that, they failed to entertain their target audience, pardon me, the majority of their target audience.
Is it the fault of the fans? No... They have been watching Star Trek for 40 years and would like to watch it 40 more... Blame CBS for dishing out TRIBBLE with a Star Trek logo on it.
And to Kirkfat:
Thanks for staying, your avatars are always a welcome sight and some of your posts give me a chuckle.
Honestly I've been watching Star Trek since around 1975...that's about as far back as I can remember...I was 4 going on 5 with dreams and aspirations only a kid that age could comprehend. Then a few years later a movie came out that changed everything...but I won't go into that, I'm sure you can guess it.
At any rate you might say I was 'born at the right time' to be totally hooked on sci-fi and I like many other here have to believe...or is it faith?...that STO will become something larger than we can presently realize.