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Star Trek Online Already Dying? GameRant thinks so.

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GameRant.com

"While this would be normal for an MMO that has been on the market for a few years, it’s not a good sign to be seeing this three months into a game’s lifespan"

Read the Article here

Personally I think it's a little early to say it's dying, but on the other hand I feel that it was to early for the welcome back weekend. But I kind of disagree with the Article, I don't think it is to early to add vet rewards, and the Article doesn't even state that we have new content on the way. it is kind of a one sided article, but that is not for me to decide.

So what do you think, do you agree, or do you disagree?

I report it, and you debate it.


EDIT REALLY LET THIS DIE the game is not dying, it's not perfects, but it is not at dying status yet. on the other hand this blog was posted to show it's one sided, in fact it took the blog from another site, which was positive, and turned it negative. I was trying to show that, but were taking this way to far. 500 post plus, on this silly issue. lets focus on something bigger. maybe game play ideas, and lets stop worrying about if STO is going to make it or not.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Brutally honest Article. Scares me :(

    I'm a proud subscriber however I will admit I even feel like I'm paying $15 to run 3 Daily missions every day. :(
    Not really worth the money but I want to support STO.


    I've been playing another MMO on the side called Global Agenda (Made by High-Rez Studios).

    They released their product this year and refused to charge their customers a subscription fee (and still don't) until they felt the game is worth the $15 a month.

    They said the game was not of sufficient quality and did not have enough content so they would not charge their customers until they felt the product was worth it.

    Now that's integrity in in a company. I'm beyond impressed with that sort of mentality. A LOT of respect for things like that in the industry.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Seems to be the consensus among the gaming community as a whole. Minus the 4-6 members of the Cryptic defense squad, I've yet to see a glowing review. Just spent a good 20 minutes or so trying to find one, and mediocre was the best I could find.

    Maybe instead of discounting these articles, its time for some serious emergency damage control?

    To be honest though, most of the folks I know that were let down by this game feel it is beyond help and flawed at conception.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    No-one claims this kind of TRIBBLE when Valve run free weekends for Team Fortress 2. :rolleyes:

    The simple fact is that free weekends are a good sales/marketing strategy. They work. It is in ANY game developers interest to increase sales/subs. Just doing this does NOT mean they are desperate.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I hadn't heard of gamerant until this thread.

    They must be really important authorities in the gaming industry, and we should care about their opinion.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    What if ... Cryptic changes the paradigm? What if their use of this gimmick early on in a game's life cycle gets picked up by more and more companies?

    What if ... five years from now, people start ranting and whining because DCUO doesn't have a demo or a free weekend up and it's already been 8 weeks since its launch date?

    (And yes, that is a zing at DCUO there, because yes I am snarky).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    If Chat wants rants about games she'll watch AVGN thank you very much.


    And dont think either way.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    dacatchman wrote: »
    I hadn't heard of gamerant until this thread.

    They must be really important authorities in the gaming industry, and we should care about their opinion.

    Particular since their name suggests them being utterly trustworthy and reliable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Honestly, I like Star Trek more then DCUO, but DCUO is far from finished.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The game seriously lacks a unique feature where a playerbase can hang their hat. What the article notes is that the current unique feature is to do the daily. Not sure about anyone else, but there is nothing unique about my daily...

    They badly need something at the high end that adds a competitive edge to gameplay, something similar to the castle sieges of Lineage II or something akin that has fleets working towards an objective.

    And more importantly, has players wanting to join a fleet, get better, and be engaged with towards a defined objective.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    dacatchman wrote: »
    I hadn't heard of gamerant until this thread.

    They must be really important authorities in the gaming industry, and we should care about their opinion.

    Find an article dealing with how all of these marketing gimmicks with a game 3 months old is a sign of a strong product. From your choice of what you consider a "reputable" game review site.

    I'd love to read how anyone could spin these measures as a positive sign.

    This goes for any of you die-hards. I appreciate you enjoy the game, and I'm glad you're having a good time. But instead of telling everyone that every bad review (and there's a LOT fo them) of STO is meaningless and insignificant...show us your reputable sources to the contrary.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    i too have never heard of this site, with the greatest of respect to the STO forums, their opinion is not more or less important or impressive than anybody else's here.

    its all guesswork at the moment, he might be right, he might be wrong.
    he says that a free weekend should come a couple of years after launch. i would have done it after six months, (according to him i would still be wrong) cryptic did it after 3. someone made that call, does not immediately mean the place is burning to the ground.
    maybe STO is not doing as well as it could be or maybe they are trying to maximise their sub base to improve its future.
    there are many different ideas and many ways to view the same thing. it can be viewed as a positive or a negative

    if the free weekend gets 1000 new people then maybe its been a good thing.
    is the class half empty or half full?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    dacatchman wrote: »
    I hadn't heard of gamerant until this thread.

    They must be really important authorities in the gaming industry, and we should care about their opinion.

    This

    I dont want someone else to impose their opinion upon me. I am sure I can dig up negative reviews for most MMO's out there. Doesn't mean they hold any water.

    People are putting too much faith into why this free/demo weekend came about. Seriously, if you could make more money, wouldnt you try/attempt to do so? Why is this a "bad" thing? Cause the negativity on the forums, most people(forum posters) assumes that STO must be dying or else they wouldnt want to make more money......lawl
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    On my opinion I think the Welcome back was a marketing blunder, not a sign that the game is going to die. It was a stupid move, and it is creating fear in people. Added to that it only gives fuel to the people who want to see this game die.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This goes for any of you die-hards. I appreciate you enjoy the game, and I'm glad you're having a good time. But instead of telling everyone that every bad review (and there's a LOT fo them) of STO is meaningless and insignificant...show us your reputable sources to the contrary.
    Sorry, we're too busy enjoying the game and thinking up ways to improve it. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Find an article dealing with how all of these marketing gimmicks with a game 3 months old is a sign of a strong product. From your choice of what you consider a "reputable" game review site.

    I'd love to read how anyone could spin these measures as a positive sign.

    STO had a rough start. Now that's really news, isn't it? It doesn't mean that the game's dying, only that it had a bad start. So, yes, they had to resort to some marketing gimmicks to go for the turn-around. Again, big surprise. I really needed some punk site with no industry reputation at all to tell that very very basic sort of business logic...

    Age of Conan did the same by the way. Bad start. Lots of marketing. I lost track of the many "special offers" I got from them after I canceled my account there. That game didn't die. *shrug*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010

    This goes for any of you die-hards. I appreciate you enjoy the game, and I'm glad you're having a good time. But instead of telling everyone that every bad review (and there's a LOT fo them) of STO is meaningless and insignificant...show us your reputable sources to the contrary.

    In the die-hards defense all that a review is, an opinion. All opinion are equal. Some people live by the opinions of others, some people stand up and do what they want. both of these people are not right nor are they wrong.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    LordOfPit wrote: »
    Sorry, we're too busy enjoying the game and thinking up ways to improve it. :D

    good point, were enjoying the game that we like, instead of sticking around a forum of a game we hate. :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Find an article dealing with how all of these marketing gimmicks with a game 3 months old is a sign of a strong product. From your choice of what you consider a "reputable" game review site.

    I'd love to read how anyone could spin these measures as a positive sign.

    This goes for any of you die-hards. I appreciate you enjoy the game, and I'm glad you're having a good time. But instead of telling everyone that every bad review (and there's a LOT fo them) of STO is meaningless and insignificant...show us your reputable sources to the contrary.

    Show me proof the game is dying. This is a two way street.

    I dont understand since you dont enjoy the game, the point for hanging out in the forums to give a negative stigma. I mean wouldn't it be worthwhile to move on to a different game? Or because you spend money on this game blindly and this is your way of "Sticking it too, the man?" Cause it didnt live upto "Your" Expectations?

    I am trying to understand the mindset of people like you.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Sizman wrote:
    Show me proof the game is dying. This is a two way street.

    I dont understand since you dont enjoy the game, the point for hanging out in the forums to give a negative stigma. I mean wouldn't it be worthwhile to move on to a different game? Or because you spend money on this game blindly and this is your way of "Sticking it too, the man?" Cause it didnt live upto "Your" Expectations?

    I am trying to understand the mindset of people like you.

    People can't take responsibility for their actions. simple as that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The article doesn't even make sense. They make an incorrect assumption, that an early promotion for recruitment indicates a failed game.

    There are plenty of other reasons to indicated a failed game, but that isn't one of them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    LordOfPit wrote: »
    Sorry, we're too busy enjoying the game and thinking up ways to improve it. :D

    /Agreed

    Yes there are some issues, but the majority of them are MINOR also mmos are suposed to be built onto not finished at day one...

    So for all you who dont understand that they ARE WORKING on the game LIKE THAY SHOULD. Just play the game and enjoy what you can. Maybe have a little confidence you haters
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Zodi-emish wrote:
    In the die-hards defense all that a review is, an opinion. All opinion are equal. Some people live by the opinions of others, some people stand up and do what they want. both of these people are not right nor are they wrong.

    I fully agree, and I feel that people have every right to enjoy this game. You wont hear me fault people for that. (Or maybe you will, but it isn't my intention.)

    What bothers me is that a handful of people seem desperate to stifle the voices of criticism. Like they are being personally attacked, as opposed to just being offered a differing opinion. Every article that does offer valid points get your typical "Why should we care what they think, they are nobody..." response. Or it gets moved or buried by the developers/moderators giving me very little hope that the list of issues will even be acknowledged, much less addressed.

    My point about the reviews is that there seems to be a consensus that the game is in trouble. Even its most die-hard supporters on here agree that the game has issues even if they feel its not that big of a deal.

    As I've said before, the first step to recovery is admitting the problem.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Darksided wrote: »
    The game seriously lacks a unique feature where a playerbase can hang their hat. What the article notes is that the current unique feature is to do the daily. Not sure about anyone else, but there is nothing unique about my daily...

    They badly need something at the high end that adds a competitive edge to gameplay, something similar to the castle sieges of Lineage II or something akin that has fleets working towards an objective.

    And more importantly, has players wanting to join a fleet, get better, and be engaged with towards a defined objective.

    I can not agree with this more. End game "stuff" for STO seems to have been completely overlooked.

    By "end game" I mean: Repeatable missions, ship interiors, fleet property (more than a bank), crafting (Memory Alpha is an exchange IMO), decorating, collecting, exploring (more than b'tran), engaging PvE content, bettering my character/ship, more than 5 variations of the "explore" missions...the list goes on.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I agree, the article is just fear-mongering. AoC had worse problems and a rougher start than STO or CO is having and even WoW had problems early on. Just ignore rumors from unfounded websites that just spring up out of nowhere.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I agree, the article is just fear-mongering. AoC had worse problems and a rougher start than STO or CO is having and even WoW had problems early on. Just ignore rumors from unfounded websites that just spring up out of nowhere.

    Case. In. Point.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    TUX426 wrote: »
    I can not agree with this more. End game "stuff" for STO seems to have been completely overlooked.

    By "end game" I mean: Repeatable missions, ship interiors, fleet property (more than a bank), crafting (Memory Alpha is an exchange IMO), decorating, collecting, exploring (more than b'tran), engaging PvE content, bettering my character/ship, more than 5 variations of the "explore" missions...the list goes on.

    There working on these so if you could read the notes you would see whats on the "to-do" list. No mmo comes out perfect. not even wow did
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Read the premature (?) obituary, and it reminded me of a scene from "The Goodbye Girl", where Richard Dryfus is reading the reviews of his performance of Richard III.

    "I thiought you didn't put unhealthful things into your body?"
    "I didn't. I put them into Richard's body. Trying to kill the Son-of-a-B.TRIBBLE"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    TBH, if I had not purchased a one year subscription before launch, I would not be able to post in this thread today. I consider my purchase of the game and the subscription plan to be a lesson learned. Still a waste of money, but a valuable lesson nonetheless.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I don't think that STO is dying................
    I think its being beat to death by everybodies special interests and why they deserve to have them inserted into the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I agree, the article is just fear-mongering. AoC had worse problems and a rougher start than STO or CO is having and even WoW had problems early on. Just ignore rumors from unfounded websites that just spring up out of nowhere.

    That what it seems like. every chance they get they claim the sky is falling every time some of coughs at Cryptic. But the problem is the fact that articles like this were on the front page of Google when you search Star Trek Online.
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