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Hi All,

I was just wondering why we have not run into other star trek people i.e Data, Janeway etc. Its only been 30 years they would all still be around.

I sore that Data is now in command of enterprise, so where is the enterprise i mean it must be some where. I think it would be so great to have a mission with sisko, janeway Picard.

This would give a feel of star trek back into the game, Doing a mission with data, riker, janeway and voyager etc.

So why are they not here. Do you think they will eb bring them in?

There are lots of mensions in the game about them. They could even get some of the cast in to do voice overs for some missions.

What do you think?

Lee
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    leea123 wrote: »
    Hi All,

    I was just wondering why we have not run into other star trek people i.e Data, Janeway etc. Its only been 30 years they would all still be around.

    I sore that Data is now in command of enterprise, so where is the enterprise i mean it must be some where. I think it would be so great to have a mission with sisko, janeway Picard.

    This would give a feel of star trek back into the game, Doing a mission with data, riker, janeway and voyager etc.

    So why are they not here. Do you think they will eb bring them in?

    There are lots of mensions in the game about them. They could even get some of the cast in to do voice overs for some missions.

    What do you think?

    Lee

    they are looking at doing weekly missions to make it like a tv show. who knows they may show up.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    leea123 wrote: »
    Hi All,

    I was just wondering why we have not run into other star trek people i.e Data, Janeway etc. Its only been 30 years they would all still be around.

    I sore that Data is now in command of enterprise, so where is the enterprise i mean it must be some where. I think it would be so great to have a mission with sisko, janeway Picard.

    This would give a feel of star trek back into the game, Doing a mission with data, riker, janeway and voyager etc.

    So why are they not here. Do you think they will eb bring them in?

    There are lots of mensions in the game about them. They could even get some of the cast in to do voice overs for some missions.

    What do you think?

    Lee

    Thus far the only connection to canon characters in the game (aside from Spock) have been relations to them or allusions to them. I ran into Admiral Leonard James Akar, for example, as well as O'Brian's son and the son of Thomas Riker. I also ran into Miral Paris on two accounts and Commander Sulu but no other series characters. I assume that has to do with licensing issues that may or may not be worked out eventually.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    i too would love to hear and see these characters, but as with most things it comes down to money. hopefully we will see some stuff in the future. it would add greatly to the experience
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ok... Im gonna make a rough overview of where i know they all went:

    Picard: Ambassador to Vulcan (According to STO Story) We cant get there.
    Riker: Admiral At SFC (According to STO story (Dialouge in the mission with Riker "Junior")) We cant get there
    Data: Captain of the Enterprise (According to STO story) We havn't met them, but i figure we will (Why else waste time on making up the story?
    LaForge: Teaching at Starfleet Academy (He went there after Nemesis, wich they have choosen to honor in the STO story)
    Crusher: Either Head of Starfleet Medical (She went there after Nemesis), or Captain of the USS Pasteur (As in "All Good Things)
    Worf: Warrior at Qronos, and adviser to the House of Mar'tok (according to STO Story and pretty much all alternate timelines we have seen)

    Sisko: In the Celestial Temple (As told when you have the Mirror Universe Missions)
    Kira: No Info
    O'Brian: Also teaching at Starfleet Academy (Provided he stayed there after he left DS9)
    Dax: No Info
    Bashir: No Info

    Janeway: Admiral at Starfleet Command, We don't have access to earth, so we cant see her.
    Chakotay
    Torres: Probably Laison to Qro'nos, if the original timeline fits into STO.
    Parris: Holonovel Writer: if the original timeline fits into STO.
    Kim: Captain of Rhode Island, if the original timeline fits into STO
    Tuvok: Instructor at the Academy. (At least many novels and games indicate this)
    Seven Of Nine (Annika Hanson): Daystrom Institute. We dont have access to this, so we wont meet her.

    As you can see, most of the Caracters we know are in positions that are currently inaccessable to us, but in time we may have more access to theese locations, and as such a possibility to meet them.

    ATM Icheb, is the only actual actor we meet. (Providing Dailies for RA5's)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Miles O'Brien is in charge of the Starfleet Corps of Engineers. And according to the timeline is responsible for both the modular ship design innovation, and the personal shields that we have on away missions.

    Also ... Starlfeet lost contact with starbase 236 in 2408. And the Enterprise-E was sent to investigate. That's the last entry in the timeline in the STO Novel, Needs of the Many.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    Miles O'Brien is in charge of the Starfleet Corps of Engineers. And according to the timeline is responsible for both the modular ship design innovation, and the personal shields that we have on away missions.

    Ok... Didn catch that... The Shieds you are talking about were invented by Romanie btw... At least it says so on the loading screen i just had.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kim's an admiral at the Starfleet facility on Chiron. You can see him briefly in the Admiral's office during the episode when you pick up medical supplies to deliver to a Romulan colony that has left the RSE.

    By the by, it's almost 30 years later since we saw Janeway as an admiral. Think she'd be retired by now. Of course, by that line of thinking, so would Riker.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    anazonda wrote: »
    Ok... Im gonna make a rough overview of where i know they all went:

    Picard: Ambassador to Vulcan (According to STO Story) We cant get there.

    Actually according to the STO Novel Needs of the Many, which includes the complete Path to 2409 timeline in 2402 "Jean-Luc Picard retired from his ambassador position and settles in France." (STO: Needs of the Many pg. 411) Picard is no longer on Vulcan.

    Kira is actually the Kai of Bajor in STO according to the end of that trading mission that no one seems to do.

    Geordi LaForge took command of the USS Challenger in 2397. (STO: Needs of the Many pg. 406)

    Beverly Crusher is promoted in 2385 to captain am takes command of the USS Pasteur. (STO: Needs of the Many pg. 390)

    Nog becomes Chief Engineer of the USS Enterprise following the promotion of Captain LaForge. (STO: Needs of the Many pg. 406)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm loving this that fans are accsepting all this into cannon and that i can find discusion that isnt *****ing about the games short comeings
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    anazonda wrote:
    Kira: No Info

    In one of the DS9 missions, they say something to the effect that "Kai Kira wouldn't like that."

    One would then make the assumption that Kira is Kai.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    anazonda wrote: »
    Ok... Im gonna make a rough overview of where i know they all went:

    Picard: Ambassador to Vulcan (According to STO Story) We cant get there.


    I've been to Vulcan. It's kinda hard to miss.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    CBS only owns the rights to the star trek characers. CBS doesn't own the likeness rights of the actors who protrayed those those character. Crypic would have to work out with the actors in order for their likeness to appear in the game. And I really doubt Cryptic has the money to be able to afford those licensing fees for everyone. And although they could add a Data NPC into the game, if it didn't look like Brent Spiner, a lot of players would be turned off. Character which has a plausible reasons for not appear like the actors can and do appear in the game. Like Lenord James Akaar was a baby in TOS. And Naomi Wildman was just a small child on Voyager, but is an adult in the game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm loving this that fans are accsepting all this into cannon

    On the contrary. I'd think most of us aren't accepting this into canon at all. All this thread is about, is where characters are said to be from the game's standpoint, or where they may be (based on canon) if it hasn't been said.

    It's been almost thirty years from the end of the series, though. I'd say there's a wide open space to interpretation about where characters probably are, if it hasn't been said or shown in the game. Crusher still in Starfleet? Think more likely that she's tending the vines with Jean-Luc back in France. But then, that relationship's just in the books, not canon...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I found it odd to see mention of Data as Captain of the Enterprise, given that Data was destroyed in Nemesis and it was pretty well established that B-4's positronic network was not robust enough to "grow" into a new version of Data.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'd think after 30 years, everyone but Data would be retired or dead.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Maddox probably got hard at work. Think a few books suggested that work on B-4's brain was performed. After all, getting the neural net online and stable was the hard part. Anything else, I'm sure the folks at Starfleet Research could do. And since they had Data's memory imprints in B-4's mind as it was... hey, it's a more logical reasoning to bringing Data back than Kirk's in that series of books.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Not sure about dead, Adra. Even the oldest of the crews would only be in their 70s. And McCoy was still alive and kicking at 137 (granted, he's just too damned stubborn to die). But retired? Definitely, except the ensigns and maybe the jaygees. Though Riker... I dunno, I see him being like McCoy. Starfleet until he's in the ground.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Actually according to the STO Novel Needs of the Many, which includes the complete Path to 2409 timeline in 2402 "Jean-Luc Picard retired from his ambassador position and settles in France." (STO: Needs of the Many pg. 411) Picard is no longer on Vulcan.
    Come to think of it, i think this may have been mentioned in the game as well.
    Kira is actually the Kai of Bajor in STO according to the end of that trading mission that no one seems to do.
    Right... I think that is actually also mentioned in one of the DS9 missions...
    Geordi LaForge took command of the USS Challenger in 2397. (STO: Needs of the Many pg. 406)
    It happend in "VOY:Timeless" so it seems reasonable that it would be true here too. (The Challenger is a Galaxy Class ship for thoose who havnt seen Timeless)
    Beverly Crusher is promoted in 2385 to captain am takes command of the USS Pasteur. (STO: Needs of the Many pg. 390)
    ... Or (Semi-)Cannon: All good things.
    Nog becomes Chief Engineer of the USS Enterprise following the promotion of Captain LaForge. (STO: Needs of the Many pg. 406)
    This is not in accordance with cannon. What is unfortunally not mentioned in Nemesis but was intended to is that Laforge left the Enterprise about the same time as Riker. He could have returned of cause, but it seems unlikely.

    So in sort: I mostly Agree...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    RCSlyman wrote: »
    Not sure about dead, Adra. Even the oldest of the crews would only be in their 70s. And McCoy was still alive and kicking at 137 (granted, he's just too damned stubborn to die). But retired? Definitely, except the ensigns and maybe the jaygees. Though Riker... I dunno, I see him being like McCoy. Starfleet until he's in the ground.

    I'd fully expect Harry Kim to still be an ensign. :D

    Though I was reading an article about Jon Archer earlier. He apparently lived to be like 170ish. So yeah maybe not dead, but totally retired.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    As far as Kira being a Kai, isn't "Kira" the family name? So it could be a relative of hers right?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kira is the family name, but I think all her family was killed during the Occupation. Don't have any hard specific references to that... perhaps the one where she was sent to evacuate the old Bajoran guy, and wound up helping him build that outdoor furnace.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    Miles O'Brien is in charge of the Starfleet Corps of Engineers. And according to the timeline is responsible for both the modular ship design innovation, and the personal shields that we have on away missions.

    Also ... Starlfeet lost contact with starbase 236 in 2408. And the Enterprise-E was sent to investigate. That's the last entry in the timeline in the STO Novel, Needs of the Many.

    In Star Trek:Legacy Picard alludes to the "loss" of Cmdr Data when fighting, of all things, the borg. Picard is on the Enterprise E at this time(Sovereign class). So I would love to see Data's reappearance. I would also have liked an android race in game. Hugh was nice but I really liked Data.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    RCSlyman wrote: »
    Maddox probably got hard at work. Think a few books suggested that work on B-4's brain was performed. After all, getting the neural net online and stable was the hard part. Anything else, I'm sure the folks at Starfleet Research could do. And since they had Data's memory imprints in B-4's mind as it was... hey, it's a more logical reasoning to bringing Data back than Kirk's in that series of books.

    Actually, Maddox refused to out of ethical considerations for B4. Then, Starfleet convinced Geordi it was necessary to retrieve Data. He did and Data was very upset with him for it, as the whole procedure compromised his ethics. But then, B4 deleted himself because he saw how Geordi reacted, creating room for Data.

    They did manage to save B4's programming and store it to possibly bring him back as a hologram someday but I gather Data and Geordi's friendship has a rift in it because Geordi was so willing to kill B4 to get Data back.

    From the tie-in novel.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010

    Kira is actually the Kai of Bajor in STO according to the end of that trading mission that no one seems to do.

    things like this bug me, i hate it when they shoehorn a character into a position just because we know about them. billions of bajorans and and the kai just happens to be one of about 4 bajorans that appeared in more than 3 episodes. i guess leeta is the first minister.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    things like this bug me, i hate it when they shoehorn a character into a position just because we know about them. billions of bajorans and and the kai just happens to be one of about 4 bajorans that appeared in more than 3 episodes. i guess leeta is the first minister.

    Well Kira was close to the Emissary, plus she spoke to the wormhole guys, worked with the Kais, helped liberate Bajor, etc
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    anazonda wrote: »
    This is not in accordance with cannon. What is unfortunally not mentioned in Nemesis but was intended to is that Laforge left the Enterprise about the same time as Riker. He could have returned of cause, but it seems unlikely.

    Material cut from the film is not canon and I gave you the exact source for the piece of information about Nog. Buy the Star Trek Online Novel: Needs of the Many. It contains the complete Path to 2409, which is what Cryptic is using as the backstory to STO, you can find it at any Barnes and Noble or equivalent bookseller, for about $8 American. Like it or not Nog is the Chief Engineer of The USS Enterprise following the departure of Geordie LaForge. In fact here's the exact quote regarding the matter.
    2397
    • Geordie LaForge is named captain of the U.S.S. Challenger. Nog replaces him as chief engineer of the Enterprise-E.

    Geordie was the last one of the original command crew to leave the Enterprise-E. Data was the only one to return, and assume command in 2386.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Adrasil wrote:
    Well Kira was close to the Emissary, plus she spoke to the wormhole guys, worked with the Kais, helped liberate Bajor, etc

    Plus the fact that she herself was a paragon of Bajoran spiritual worship. Remember the battle between the Prophet and the Pah-Wraith that happened on DS9? And who was selected to be the embodiment of the Prophet? Nerys. Heck, at one point, she was ready to challenge then-Vedek Wynn for the position of Kai. Yeah, there was more than enough background in her character that I could see her being the Kai.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    In order to show the faces of characters from the TV and movie series, they have to pay those actors a substantial amount of money. Thus, all we can get are adult versions of characters we saw as children, since we're not seeing their true likeness.

    This is not to say Cryptic will never pursue such a licensing deal; but it argues against it in most cases, and the few that are most compelling are also the most expensive.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    RCSlyman wrote: »
    Plus the fact that she herself was a paragon of Bajoran spiritual worship. Remember the battle between the Prophet and the Pah-Wraith that happened on DS9? And who was selected to be the embodiment of the Prophet? Nerys. Heck, at one point, she was ready to challenge then-Vedek Wynn for the position of Kai. Yeah, there was more than enough background in her character that I could see her being the Kai.

    i cant recall her ever challenging winn for the position, as that was the time vedek bareil was running for it and she was backing him, but i cant remember every scene so maybe

    i always assumed the position was only obtainable by people in their religious orders

    ie, you have to train to become a vedek, then become the head of your order then become kai

    i can totally see her becoming first minister, as that is a job that would suit her, just dont really believe she would want to become kai. maybe the people demanded it or something. not really important, just seamed odd to me

    then again i never believed that rom would become grand nagus and thats even more of a stretch :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    syberghost wrote: »
    In order to show the faces of characters from the TV and movie series, they have to pay those actors a substantial amount of money. Thus, all we can get are adult versions of characters we saw as children, since we're not seeing their true likeness.

    This is not to say Cryptic will never pursue such a licensing deal; but it argues against it in most cases, and the few that are most compelling are also the most expensive.

    And yet the game is getting Leeta...
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