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i know this might not have nothing to do with startrek online but can anyone tell me what happen to the enterprise b between startrek generations and the launch of the enterprise c was it destroyed or decommissioned????
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    i know this might not have nothing to do with startrek online but can anyone tell me what happen to the enterprise b between startrek generations and the launch of the enterprise c was it destroyed or decommissioned????

    Never really been told in canon, but I guess you can assume that it did it's thing and was eventually retired/destroyed.

    Given that Excelciors continue to serve even in the 24th Century you probably can assume that something happened to it and they decided to commission one of their "latest and greatest" again as "Enterprise" when they launched the Ambassador class.

    Both classes of ships should be in STO, since they are undoubtedly still around, since Mirandas and Constitutions are.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Got this from Memory Alpha, not considered canon.

    According to the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual, the Enterprise-B was involved in exploration beyond the Gourami sector, charting 142 star systems and making first contact with seventeen new civilizations prior to her decommissioning.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Got this from Memory Alpha, not considered canon.

    According to the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual, the Enterprise-B was involved in exploration beyond the Gourami sector, charting 142 star systems and making first contact with seventeen new civilizations prior to her decommissioning.
    Fairly certain that is canon. Being from the TNG manual and all.

    And the info in Memory Alpha is also very much canon.
    Memory Beta is the non canon site.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ships with the name Enterprise get the most beating in the Fleet because they will allways be send to the most dangerous Assignments.
    So the usual Excelsior Class who just spend 3 years cartographing gas anomalies in the beta quadrant will hold a bit longer then a Ship that gets ripped to pieces by the Nexus even before the official launch date ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    wildcat84 wrote: »
    Never really been told in canon, but I guess you can assume that it did it's thing and was eventually retired/destroyed.

    Given that Excelciors continue to serve even in the 24th Century you probably can assume that something happened to it and they decided to commission one of their "latest and greatest" again as "Enterprise" when they launched the Ambassador class.

    Both classes of ships should be in STO, since they are undoubtedly still around, since Mirandas and Constitutions are.

    I'm pretty certain that the Excelsiors we see in the 24th century are not 80 years old for the most part but newly constructed ships using the Excelsior designs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm pretty certain that the Excelsiors we see in the 24th century are not 80 years old for the most part but newly constructed ships using the Excelsior designs.

    Right, or were amongst the last to be built. If the Excelsiors were built for 40 years, for instance, some of those might only be 40 years old, which is not inconceivable. For instance, as a modern-day example, the USS Enterprise aircraft carrier was commissioned in 1961 and will be retired in 2013, which is 52 years of service.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    NecroBones wrote: »
    Right, or were amongst the last to be built. If the Excelsiors were built for 40 years, for instance, some of those might only be 40 years old, which is not inconceivable. For instance, as a modern-day example, the USS Enterprise aircraft carrier was commissioned in 1961 and will be retired in 2013, which is 52 years of service.

    If we go with Star Trek: Borg, which was overseen by and involved the TV production crew, they were making new Excelsiors until 2367 when the last new Excelsior class ship was launched.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Chat wrote:
    Fairly certain that is canon. Being from the TNG manual and all.

    And the info in Memory Alpha is also very much canon.
    Memory Beta is the non canon site.

    Memory alpha is not in and of itself canon. It's just a wiki where fans write information that they consider to be canon.

    He was referring to the TNG tech manual not being a canon document.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm pretty certain that the Excelsiors we see in the 24th century are not 80 years old for the most part but newly constructed ships using the Excelsior designs.

    Not necessarily. They could still be the original ship frames but be essentially new ships, as in refitted in the way the Constitution class ships were refitted as in TMP.

    Then again, how does it make sense there are pre-refit Constitutions in the 25th Century? (as in STO).

    I do agree they probably do build new ships from updated versions of older ship frame designs, which explains the Miranda and Constitution Refit ships, which being old and proven designs are probably cheaper to mass produce than newer, larger ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    wildcat84 wrote: »
    Not necessarily. They could still be the original ship frames but be essentially new ships, as in refitted in the way the Constitution class ships were refitted as in TMP.

    Then again, how does it make sense there are pre-refit Constitutions in the 25th Century? (as in STO).

    I do agree they probably do build new ships from updated versions of older ship frame designs, which explains the Miranda and Constitution Refit ships, which being old and proven designs are probably cheaper to mass produce than newer, larger ships.

    Yeah. My take is that the longer registry numbers indicate that the ships in-game are all new ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    There is something different about the ships on STO and the ones on the TV shows and films. They may look the same but they are a lot tougher. I took a full blast from the doomsday machine in my cruiser and survived. But in the TV show the doomsday machine had no trouble defeating the USS Constellation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Blenda wrote:
    There is something different about the ships on STO and the ones on the TV shows and films. They may look the same but they are a lot tougher. I took a full blast from the doomsday machine in my cruiser and survived. But in the TV show the doomsday machine had no trouble defeating the USS Constellation.

    If i remember the episode correctly the Enterprise took a few hits herself.
    I believe the Constellation took numberous hits, still survived enough to move
    on her own impulse power after some repair.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    wildcat84 wrote: »
    Not necessarily. They could still be the original ship frames but be essentially new ships, as in refitted in the way the Constitution class ships were refitted as in TMP.

    Then again, how does it make sense there are pre-refit Constitutions in the 25th Century? (as in STO).

    I do agree they probably do build new ships from updated versions of older ship frame designs, which explains the Miranda and Constitution Refit ships, which being old and proven designs are probably cheaper to mass produce than newer, larger ships.

    They are all new builds. The Enterprise be was a larger ship than the Excelsior having a longer engineering hull. The Lakota subtype was an even larger ship than The Enterprise B. with more weaponry and more effective subsystems.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Chat wrote:
    Fairly certain that is canon. Being from the TNG manual and all.

    And the info in Memory Alpha is also very much canon.
    Memory Beta is the non canon site.

    Actually, if you want to get technical (you general, not "you" you, Chat), anything in print is not necessarily canon. What makes something canon, is if it is shown on screen. Official publications... heck, even unaired screenplays don't qualify as canon. Which is one of the things talked about when JJTrek was being made. They took two elements from books that they felt deserved to be canonized, and incorporated them into the movie. Of course, those elements only exist in JJTrek universe, meaning that in our universe, starships are still built in spacedock facilities. :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Oh, and by the way, that whole "shown on screen" part puts video games squarely in grey area. Some consider them as "well, it's on a screen, therefore it's canon," while purists look at them and say "not even."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    RCSlyman wrote: »
    Actually, if you want to get technical (you general, not "you" you, Chat), anything in print is not necessarily canon. What makes something canon, is if it is shown on screen. Official publications... heck, even unaired screenplays don't qualify as canon. Which is one of the things talked about when JJTrek was being made. They took two elements from books that they felt deserved to be canonized, and incorporated them into the movie. Of course, those elements only exist in JJTrek universe, meaning that in our universe, starships are still built in spacedock facilities. :p

    They took more than two. The film also canonized Uhura's first name, Kirk's mother's name and a whole slew of minor details. Aside from Nero's crew and Scotty's assistant Keenser, almost every character was researched and cast based on obscure original series appearances or novels.

    And presumably, anything that happened prior to Nero's appearance is canon for the prime timeline and I've noticed most fans seem to be treating it as such.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    RCSlyman wrote: »
    Oh, and by the way, that whole "shown on screen" part puts video games squarely in grey area. Some consider them as "well, it's on a screen, therefore it's canon," while purists look at them and say "not even."

    I've always thought ST: Borg and ST: Klingon were two serious contenders. They had cast members. They were filmed, not animated. They used the same production crew as the shows. They had linear endings.

    The weirdest thing is the inclusion of the DS9/Voyager jumpsuits circa Wolf 359 but it seems possible to me considering that they were in use just two years later on DS9 and the U.S.S. Righteous, being a newly commissioned ship might be subject to the newest standards across the board.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    They took more than two. The film also canonized Uhura's first name, Kirk's mother's name and a whole slew of minor details. Aside from Nero's crew and Scotty's assistant Keenser, almost every character was researched and cast based on obscure original series appearances or novels.
    Key word, minor. There were only two major element changes.
    And presumably, anything that happened prior to Nero's appearance is canon for the prime timeline and I've noticed most fans seem to be treating it as such.

    This much is true. Of course, given the fact that there was about 1 minute's worth of prime timeline canonization prior to Nero's appearance, it really isn't that much we have to consider from JJTrek polluting the universe.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Got this from Memory Alpha, not considered canon.

    According to the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual, the Enterprise-B was involved in exploration beyond the Gourami sector, charting 142 star systems and making first contact with seventeen new civilizations prior to her decommissioning.

    Yes. There was nice montage of enterprise ships on bonus blu-ray that came with movies 7-10 BD box.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I've always thought ST: Borg and ST: Klingon were two serious contenders. They had cast members. They were filmed, not animated. They used the same production crew as the shows. They had linear endings.

    As did Starfleet Academy. Elite Forces as well (main reason we see so much of that game's influence in STO ground combat), if you consider that the CGI digital rendering was actually "filmed", then overlayed on wireframe with different textures to suit. It's just a major running debate whether they actually qualify as canon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    SFA did use cast and so did EF (although Seven of Nine was initially recast and then Jeri Ryan signed on and was patched in) but the thing with STB and STK that push it over for me was that they didn't JUST use cast or set designs. They used sets. They used crew. They were basically episodes produced in house by the folks who did the shows.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Final say on SFA and ST:EF still went through the tops, but you're absolutely right, those two games do stand apart from any other in that regard. They were pretty much full-blooded "episodes" in their own right.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Too be honest I think it's just the frame that is the excelsior design, the interior is probably entirely new tech. In the end the exterior design of the ship does'nt usually matter as long as it's being built with new materials and tech.
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