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edited May 2010 in PvP Gameplay
Its been done. Before the trouble was finding good feds. Now the trouble is finding willing klinks. The time arises for Klingons to prepare for WAR! We need battle ready T5 Klinks to join the PremadePVP chat channel in game, the available VENT channel, and form teams for premade pvps. Send me an email, join the channel, or pester DOB, 182, s31 about it. They need competent enemies! Qonos needs allies. The call has been made.

Premade PVP matches offer the best content the game has to offer, the greatest challenge, and most edge of your seat fast paced combat action. Get on it!
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Please, Emojoe is right.
    We had a great comvo in vent with him and zorena. Our vent is available to klingons that need a VOIP. We are looking for peopel that play hard and don't complain about any skills at all. Win or lose, fight hard. No trash talking no crying, just players that want to get good at PVP.
    Beating PUG's doesnt make you good. We want good players that after a lose go change builds to try to beat the team that just won.
    If you want help let us know.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The very thing that the Klingons live for in one respect is evading them? Next you'll be telling me that Starfleet's new wave of officers (players) are taught to shoot first and if there is a later, shoot then too...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Absolutely...had a great conversation with Minimax and Zorena and got to look at things from our opponent's perspective. Learned a lot and hopefully passed on a few things as well. DOB has taken the step to open our hosted Ventrilo server to those who wish to organize Klingon teams, learn tactics/teamwork/strategy, and work together to improve the STO PvP landscape for all players involved.

    Our goal is to coordinate Klingon players and offer you a venue in which to organize yourselves. Likewise, join the PremadePVP channel in-game to contact fleet and PvP match organizers and be able to avoid the PUG's and step up to the challenge of competitive Premade matches.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm a little surprised to see a post like this when I thought there already was organized PVP.. Maybe even confused... Isn't there? :confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm a little surprised to see a post like this when I thought there already was organized PVP.. Maybe even confused... Isn't there? :confused:

    Nope...a few fleets with less than ten guys who are never on together. Or guys who hide out and avoid challenges from other Premade PvP teams (kinda the point of organized PvP). People rarely ever play Premade versus Premade and channels like the OrganizedPvP channel in-game are hemorrhaging players and are more chat than team/match organization where you constantly see posts of "Any Premades on?" or "Looking for fleet" go unanswered.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    If I was interested in joining a group for Organized PVP, I'd probobly be up for it. Honestly right now I prefer to do my dailies, casually PVP, or try to learn new tricks to use in pvp that I might not have explored previously.

    If a later time does arise when I am interested, how ever, I will have to try to remember this and start to look around. Because, coming from CoH (Being involved in Organized PVP) -> WoW (No PVP) -> Champions -> to here, I do admit I miss the CoH Organized PVP in a sense that I miss the Organized PVP.

    Either way, I hope that you guys get things rolling. Organized PVP can be fun. Especially when your Daily Mission/STFs are done. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Lately, it doesn't feel like there are more than a dozen or so BG5's on at a time who aren't just hitting the dailies before logging out soon after. I honestly don't think the population is sustaining itself, and from what I've seen of those who rotated over or Klingnewbons I wouldn't expect much, hell I can't get into a T4 match now without at least one Klingon AFK'r or one who bots his way into the Fed Starbase. The rest push sub-optimal effort and don't even heal themselves more or less their team.


    Afraid all of those PvE oriented RA5's whose curiosity has gotten the best of them now that Klingons have "some" pve content are trying to dabble in pvp. Dabbling in pvp is the surest way to frustration and failure, it's an all in or all out venture, playing to win.

    My two cents.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Lately, it doesn't feel like there are more than a dozen or so BG5's on at a time who aren't just hitting the dailies before logging out soon after. I honestly don't think the population is sustaining itself, and from what I've seen of those who rotated over or Klingnewbons I wouldn't expect much, hell I can't get into a T4 match now without at least one Klingon AFK'r or one who bots his way into the Fed Starbase. The rest push sub-optimal effort and don't even heal themselves more or less their team.


    Afraid all of those PvE oriented RA5's whose curiosity has gotten the best of them now that Klingons have "some" pve content are trying to dabble in pvp. Dabbling in pvp is the surest way to frustration and failure, it's an all in or all out venture, playing to win.

    My two cents.

    aye, i doubt there are enough bg5 klingons about to make a balanced premade, you might scratch a pure dps squad out but we all know that will end in failure. I just lvl'd a fed through pvp an the kdf i met on the way are just bad and are likely to remain so. Much as i liked the kdf i have thrown in the towel and will just fvf along with everyone else.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    BountyXP wrote: »
    Nope...a few fleets with less than ten guys who are never on together. Or guys who hide out and avoid challenges from other Premade PvP teams (kinda the point of organized PvP). People rarely ever play Premade versus Premade and channels like the OrganizedPvP channel in-game are hemorrhaging players and are more chat than team/match organization where you constantly see posts of "Any Premades on?" or "Looking for fleet" go unanswered.

    Our Fleet pvp every night and vent is a requirement for membership. We have had a few fleet set up fights with us. In some cases it doesnt work out since most of us play between 8 to 12 at night EST. Contact me if you like to set something up.

    PS CHC has been recruiting everyday.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    did a search tonight while talkign with minimax in vent. there were 5 BG5 in sto vo kor, 4 in -x-, and at elast 5 others that we fought in a PUG match that were not in any of theose fleets, along with D'rek and a few others we know were online at the time.
    they are there but getting them organized to have good pvp is the problem we want to overcome
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    If you are looking for a free, public VoIP (client + server):

    Mumble download/setup guide

    Server details are in that link also. It is the Mumble development server, not a private server, so it does not belong to any Fleet or guild from any game. Multiple games' guilds (STO, WoW, EVE, etc.) are hosted there, as are public channels for each game, for free.

    Contact the developer (or I can put you in contact with him) if you want similar channel admin privs, otherwise the public is free to use it with normal permissions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    akumarev wrote:
    did a search tonight while talkign with minimax in vent. there were 5 BG5 in sto vo kor, 4 in -x-, and at elast 5 others that we fought in a PUG match that were not in any of theose fleets, along with D'rek and a few others we know were online at the time.
    they are there but getting them organized to have good pvp is the problem we want to overcome

    How many of those were only on for dailies? I've queued for half an hour waiting for 1 more Klingon to join into any 5 man game be it CnH or Arena. As it is, to count all of the available assets at BG5 on all the bodily digits the good lord gave you seems "bad" to me. We considered Warhammer a dying game when there was only four separate games of each scenario (with 3 available Scenarios) going, heck based on that they consolidated 63 servers eventually into 4.


    After playing through several dying MMO's, I am afraid all the writing is on the wall at the moment, the Klingon population is rapidly declining, many may still be subbed and just on hiatus, others may be logging briefly for the occasional daily, the vast majority may be willing to come back in 2.0, but the rate of incoming new blood is trickling, and some of those that do come in are actually pve'ng their way up the leveling tree only to /afk their way through the occasional pvp map for a boost in experience.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Basicly I want more good pvp if you dont wanna join the fleet fine but lets just make mixed fleet groups and get some good ppl and lots of players who have a similar setup so we can do some even halfarsed pvp at start.

    Bombergirl Engineer cruiser healer.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm a little surprised to see a post like this when I thought there already was organized PVP.. Maybe even confused... Isn't there? :confused:

    2 problems with orgnizedpvp chat channel. !: its creator made it private and then quit the game, no one has power to open it up.
    2: lots of people are in that chanel. who never once wanted or tried to get a premade match, that chanel sadly has deteriorated and lost sight of its purpose.
    I say to join "PremadePVP" channel now, because DOB, S31, 182 and other fleets have been using that chanel for what he OPVP channel was originally intended as. Wherever u end up, the point is the same, to find premade teams to play with and against, to learn tactics, adapt stategy, and seek out the "Good Games" we all know is out here. Good hunting! <S>
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I wouldnt mind seeing a rolling List of active dedicated, Premade PVP fleets. A list of players wiling to participate would also be helpful. We know there are players out there, let us bing them into the fold, and tain them, so everyones game can be etter. High quality PVP will save STO! god knows its the only reason im still here
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Actually I have yet to come across a pre-made or pre-made PVP fleet group that has "skill" or is "good". It is not a challenge. In a premade you know the outfit of everyone on your team, you use VoIP, and everyone has pre-determined roles. In a pug it actually requires skill because its all dynamic, no-one knows anyone elses outfit, spec, and you cannot rely on teamwork. Instead you have to rely on quick thinking, reaction time, and up to the second tactics.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I asked a few days ago (in OrganizedPvP) whether anybody knew good Klingon PvP groups that played in my time zone (US East) and all I got back was, "Good question" followed by a couple hours of silence. I'm pretty sure that's happened to just about all the Klingon players, and so yes, they all log off or onto Fed characters after dailies.

    In fairness, I did talk to the CHC recruiter, whom I applaud for having a visible presence on Qo'nos, but we turned out to have incompatible requirements in other areas.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Theres a difference between "finding willing klingons" and finding klingons that are willing to lose without hope due to impatience in allowing time to rekit for premade. I am willing to kit for premade. I am not willing to fight over and over a superior premade without kitting for premade.

    Think about it and let me know what you want to do. Cause right now you are just p*ssing me off.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Edgecase wrote: »
    I asked a few days ago (in OrganizedPvP) whether anybody knew good Klingon PvP groups that played in my time zone (US East) and all I got back was, "Good question" followed by a couple hours of silence. I'm pretty sure that's happened to just about all the Klingon players, and so yes, they all log off or onto Fed characters after dailies.

    In fairness, I did talk to the CHC recruiter, whom I applaud for having a visible presence on Qo'nos, but we turned out to have incompatible requirements in other areas.

    /tiphat
    Perhaps in the future we can work together.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cedryk_ wrote:
    Theres a difference between "finding willing klingons" and finding klingons that are willing to lose without hope due to impatience in allowing time to rekit for premade. I am willing to kit for premade. I am not willing to fight over and over a superior premade without kitting for premade.

    Think about it and let me know what you want to do. Cause right now you are just p*ssing me off.

    Playing in several matches in one night is more than adequate service to the cause. Frankly in the past couple of weeks -X- has been one of the very few fleets to bing it in such battles I am talking about. No one can be faulted for taking a licking, and then lurking off to retool/strategize. The problem arises when people become angry and agitated and sling insults and chest pound, thats not helpful to anyone. DOB will be the first to admit that Zigz and crew have been on the front lines of this war, the war against seemingly insrmountable odds.

    With federation capability to equip every escort with TSS3, consistent easy access practice FVF matches, and 95% of the player base, there is no doubt who is now at a disadvantage when it comes to upper echelon high quality pvp. I didnt say OP any I never will. Klingons need to be "willing" to take the hard road, to seek out these challenging matches as often as possible, to tool for them as opposed to pugs, and to hold their fire until the right moment.

    So to reiterate, all those seeking HONORABLE combat with FORMIDABLE opponets like DOB, S31, 182, -X-, and manyothers join the PremadePVP or OrganizedPVP chat channels, their respective ventrilos, and start teaming up!

    //again Zigz none of this is directed at u or your players it just so happened that at the time of the post you were not around/available for matches. No one said -X- wouldnt continue to fight, in fact i demand it so! I also want more players to draw from as I see klingons out there... man up *****es!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    EmoeJoe wrote:
    Playing in several matches in one night is more than adequate service to the cause. Frankly in the past couple of weeks -X- has been one of the very few fleets to bing it in such battles I am talking about. No one can be faulted for taking a licking, and then lurking off to retool/strategize. The problem arises when people become angry and agitated and sling insults and chest pound, thats not helpful to anyone. DOB will be the first to admit that Zigz and crew have been on the front lines of this war, the war against seemingly insrmountable odds.

    With federation capability to equip every escort with TSS3, consistent easy access practice FVF matches, and 95% of the player base, there is no doubt who is now at a disadvantage when it comes to upper echelon high quality pvp. I didnt say OP any I never will. Klingons need to be "willing" to take the hard road, to seek out these challenging matches as often as possible, to tool for them as opposed to pugs, and to hold their fire until the right moment.

    So to reiterate, all those seeking HONORABLE combat with FORMIDABLE opponets like DOB, S31, 182, -X-, and manyothers join the PremadePVP or OrganizedPVP chat channels, their respective ventrilos, and start teaming up!

    //again Zigz none of this is directed at u or your players it just so happened that at the time of the post you were not around/available for matches. No one said -X- wouldnt continue to fight, in fact i demand it so! I also want more players to draw from as I see klingons out there... man up *****es!

    This post has been edited to remove content that violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines. ~GM_Terramak
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This post has been edited to remove content that violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines. ~GM_Terramak
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This post has been edited to remove content that violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines. ~GM_Terramak

    I pay to play as well, so no. I will not.
    Don't be mad because they are or are not your friends, and I was stating facts.
    Truth hurts, it is okay, but it is still the truth.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ayupan wrote:
    I pay to play as well, so no. I will not.
    Don't be mad because they are or are not your friends, and I was stating facts.
    Truth hurts, it is okay, but it is still the truth.

    your version of the truth is irrelevant. those who seek glorious combat rock on.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    EmoeJoe wrote:
    your version of the truth is irrelevant. those who seek glorious combat rock on.

    There are no versions, only truth, with a subset of facts.
    I have displayed them for you to read. Disagreeing, however your right, is no different than saying 2+2=11

    Good luck anyway. If I want glorious and challenging combat, I will go pug.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ayupan wrote:
    I pay to play as well, so no. I will not.
    Don't be mad because they are or are not your friends, and I was stating facts.
    Truth hurts, it is okay, but it is still the truth.

    LOL

    Who the heck do you think you are claiming you know the one and only truth. Express your argument please, but do so in a proper manner. My goodness.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    LOL

    Who the heck do you think you are claiming you know the one and only truth. Express your argument please, but do so in a proper manner. My goodness.

    how bout you do so in another thread. PremadePVP join it
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Basicly what this game needs is more pvpers of the caliber where they say ok lets do this build try out thise make a team and use vent and get some nice CP / Briar Patch games,

    Play more meet more oppoents play with more ppl that are willing to try to make TEAM vs TEAM fights and not just sit around all day doing TRIBBLE pugs vs other TRIBBLE pugs and win/loose because there where 2-3 decent builds that worked to together on the same team.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I will give some history for those that are unwilling to change a build for better PVP fights.
    When DOB first started PVPing we all went in FvK (way before FvF) and we took what we thought was going to be a "good build" we got rocked a good 3-4 times, we left went to earth and adjusted our builds.....figured out that engineer officers should be healing, science officers shoudl be either healing or CCing and Escorts need some healing on top of the DPS.
    Now we change things around all the time for fun and whatnot but we generally stay with our "team builds".
    It is not hard to beat PUG's........It is however hard to fight premades. That is where as players you get better, by beationg the best there is out there, or even losing to them.
    The idea of rebuilding your B/O for premades is not that hard considering that each person at max level can have many B/O on hand. I personally keep 6 science officers each with different setups meant to compliment ewach other. 2 for healing, 2 for my current build, 2 for CnH maps. I switch them around as needed. If i come out against a premade I go to my current build, if i go up against a PUG i have fun ect....
    SO the idea of not wanting to switch a build because you normally beat PUG teams is self-defeating. If you can beat a Premade team with your group makeup, then PUG's are no problem. After all the 5v5 maps are set up for small group experience. If your small group is all build for DPS guess what, your going to lose. If you are not willing to change because that set up beats PUG's guess what your going to stay mediocre.

    Now i don't want to speak for everyone as clearly some like to PUG but I personally want to be a better player and compete on a higher level. A level which can only be reached by playing repeatedly against good strong teams that are build to play against other premades.
    I am all for pewople playing the way they want to becasue they pay for the game. However; if you are the type of person that wants to get better as a player in small group pvp and want to learn new things and findout what makes what work and why some tactics are good and some are great then please join the premade channel, let a DOB member know and we will be happy to give you our ventrilo info if yuou have some questions as well. Lots of people ask us questions daily about what works well and what does not.

    As far as some powers like TSS being hard to come by, I agree that TSS3 is a great skill to have your BOP / Escorts /raptors equiped with it nice, it is easily countered as I have posted in other threads and as Ninjaboy has quoted me on as well. We ue any and all skills in the game and we do NOT cry over any usage of them adn everyone in premade expects the same from you.

    As for players like some above that flame and attempt to troll the thread, please just simply report them and maybe one day STO will actually step up and ban them or at the very least erase thier garbage they posted
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Yes, DOB is doing it exactly right. No fault there.

    Some of us in X have been debating the premade issue for the past month.

    One of the main concerns was hitting too hard and driving away the enemy. I think that maybe DOB is seeing some of the backlash from that already.

    Another was time playing vs time setup. Many of our active players want to log on, kill and then log off. Time limited. These types of players probably wont be participating in a premade.

    Another was dominance. (This is not ego) It is our opinion that if we kit up with much of the overpowered skills, especially Beam Overload (plus the buffs), it won't be a fair fight. I only say this because all things being even, its not even. With FIRST STRIKE capabilities, klingons equipped with ONE HIT KILLS will decimate the enemy. Then we are in the same boat as DOB.

    I am certainly willing to test it out. But this is not sustainable fighting. I would like Cryptic to fix it. I would like longer battles that allow peoople to use their player skills and tactics (and maybe even strategy).

    So, since I need to experiment with everything, I am in.
    I will recruit 5 from X and we will take you on for real. X vs DOB. God help you. ;)
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