If there was a playable Borg faction how do you think it should work?
I wouldn't think they'd have BOs like how other factions would. Instead there could be ship upgrades which have Borg specific skills. A Borg specific skill could be a boarding party that beams aboard and that reduces crew in addition to attacking ship subsystems.
The only way it would work is if they weren't true Borg, but a liberated splinter group. Which means the dynamics would be just the same as anyother playable fraction, just with some very boring looking ships.
The only way it would work is if they weren't true Borg, but a liberated splinter group. Which means the dynamics would be just the same as anyother playable fraction, just with some very boring looking ships.
Yeah, I don't get the appeal....it always comes back to 3 ships. Don't get me wrong, Borg are cool as hell, just to really be Borg (not a splinter group), it's basically not playable. Hive mind and all.
I guess a work around for the 3 ships types would be "assimilated" ships....ships that were captured and Borged out by this splinter ground....something like a combo of say a Constitution/whatever class and Nero's ship.
I would rather the Borg be a faceless and monolithic enemy which assimilates all in its path with endless persistence and number. Each member serves the Collective, and none are granted any individuality or descent. Allowing customers to play the Borg would pretty much destroy what they are, just by the nature of each Human player having their own personality.
Though, if I could play the Borg...ramming speed with a Borg Cube, baby! Other ships would be like bugs on a windshield. THUMP!
I would rather the Borg be a faceless and monolithic enemy which assimilates all in its path with endless persistence and number. Each member serves the Collective, and none are granted any individuality or descent. Allowing customers to play the Borg would pretty much destroy what they are, just by the nature of each Human player having their own personality.!
My sentiments almost exactly.
when this idea comes up in fleet chat, it is usually someone making fun of people who want to play as Borg, I inevitably point out that as soon as a player makes a proper Borg character they should no longer be able to control that character. Borg are the ultimate NPC. They are literally drones that obey a programed set of responses to any input. If something new and unexpected happens to arise the system logs it and auto generates a bug report and quries for a solution.
If they were "real" they would be Wal Mart shoppers as their primary identity.
Fact- Borg- you assimilate instead of blowing up- and in pvp any one you beat becomes borg
then all the bad players are a mass of borg. with plasma weapons. and they kill the complaining
Rear admiral guys that are bored anyway and turn them into borg. Then the bad players and the veterans that are now borg fight everyone else. But a Science ship/officer can use a ray and turn you back if you hate it
Fact- Borg- they really need to loosen up and have some fun with the game. do stuff that everyone will really complain about- demote them, kill the BO's, - and people will complain but secretly like it
the evidence is clear- Borg- playable, doable, and you should get a 7 of 9 looking tactical officer
Fact- Borg- you assimilate instead of blowing up- and in pvp any one you beat becomes borg
then all the bad players are a mass of borg. with plasma weapons. and they kill the complaining
Rear admiral guys that are bored anyway and turn them into borg. Then the bad players and the veterans that are now borg fight everyone else. But a Science ship/officer can use a ray and turn you back if you hate it
Fact- Borg- they really need to loosen up and have some fun with the game. do stuff that everyone will really complain about- demote them, kill the BO's, - and people will complain but secretly like it
the evidence is clear- Borg- playable, doable, and you should get a 7 of 9 looking tactical officer
Fact? That's all conjecture.
Fact: Borg are a hive mind and posses no individuality, not even the queen. To play one would mean only one could play them all.
Surrender your individual account to contribute your digital indistinctiveness to the collective. Playing Borg in STO would be like cloud computing gone all wrong!
" Playing Borg in STO would be like cloud computing gone all wrong!"
Fact- Borg- jung- "if we did not have enemies we would create them"
the borg don;t kill- they assimilate- nicer than feds or klinks
Fact- Borg- people project that aspect about themselves they refuse to accept- we are in a collective- we do walk around as indviduals supporting the system- get up- go to work- pay taxes, etc- automotomic
Fact- Borg- half machine, half man- oh you mean like everyone with a cell phone on their head or an i pod in their ear or keyboard keys at their finger tips, or the sound waves and tv light on screens we are bombarded with daily- constantly- the borg in the game seem more autonomus then real life-
Fact -Borg- have names- "la quitas" - names imply uniqueness
the evidence is clear- Borg- as a faction, as a way of life
meh it could easily work.. the borg war with the fed nubs and klingons appears to be going bad .. then to top it off the undine are most likely fighting them aswell. So maybe the queens like.. need some New and Improved stratagist drones (you borg player nubs) and walaaa.. problem solved.
now i must go make a Player Undine Faction Thread to compete with this inferior one.
Can people just shup up about playable borg? its the most TRIBBLE idea ever, not to mention you would TRIBBLE over one of the best and most awesome bad guys EVER just because you wanna fly in one of their badass cubes.
People who ask for playable borg faction have NO respect for them and have NO idea what they stand for, and what would be lost if they ever become playable.
Can people just shup up about playable borg? its the most TRIBBLE idea ever, not to mention you would TRIBBLE over one of the best and most awesome bad guys EVER just because you wanna fly in one of their badass cubes.
People who ask for playable borg faction have NO respect for them and have NO idea what they stand for, and what would be lost if they ever become playable.
Daleks won that title long before the borg arrived.
TRIBBLE? whats TRIBBLE is typing certain words in CAPS for empahsis - like bad propaganda writing-
someone shout at me i know they are wrong
"silence is so accurate- mark rothko
but i put all the capped words togehter to get to the truth - and what i read is ....
TRIBBLE EVER NO NO
who would have guessed
lol
Silence IS indeed golden...I see you practice it well. Using words to communicate concepts we already knew you thought by your silence is merely an inefficient frosting to the cake of your non-communication. Perhaps if you return to the unwritten form of communication you were using before we would understand your un-worded opinions better and be greater people for it. In fact, presenting your thoughts to us with such an ineffective method like language is confusing us greatly. I'm sure if you spent a week in quiet contemplation merely observing this forum you would see the changes you so desire. If not, simply wait longer, for it shall come to you eventually.
now that you mention it- Daleks were kinda ripped off for the borg
they just went more human parts then machine parts
-in the tutorial they said something about a new borg type
lots of options
but - i will retreat- i can see the counter arguement- its like "Alien" - they had a cool bad guy- then they explained it- then they changed it to even more terrible...or " Terminator" lets take the non stop machine that just keeps moving forward blindly (oh you mean like us) and make an even betterer one! yawn
"explaining" the monster or trying to make it even "more monsterous" is a hollywood/tv thing
that bad writers come up with
like - Using words to communicate concepts we already knew you thought by your silence is merely an inefficient frosting to the cake of your non-communication.
i know you are trying to sound smart or something- but this makes no sense- not one concrete word or idea
"you knew my thoughts by silence and its inefficent to non communication?"
now that you mention it- Daleks were kinda ripped off for the borg
they just went more human parts then machine parts
-in the tutorial they said something about a new borg type
lots of options
but - i will retreat- i can see the counter arguement- its like "Alien" - they had a cool bad guy- then they explained it- then they changed it to even more terrible...or " Terminator" lets take the non stop machine that just keeps moving forward blindly (oh you mean like us) and make an even betterer one! yawn
"explaining" the monster or trying to make it even "more monsterous" is a hollywood/tv thing
that bad writers come up with
like - Using words to communicate concepts we already knew you thought by your silence is merely an inefficient frosting to the cake of your non-communication.
i know you are trying to sound smart or something- but this makes no sense- not one concrete word or idea
"you knew my thoughts by silence and its inefficent to non communication?"
lol- uh ok - thanks
Yeah, that was the point. Your original quote about silence was bull, my reply was more bull to point out your bull.
Look at it awhile longer, I'm sure you'll figure it out...eventually. Just remember not to talk. Apparently only we fools are allowed the meager practice of using language to interact. Every time you write something you are merely lowering yourself to our level.
Aww... boo, I remember attacko's posts now... the "fact poster" ....
And he is in my friends post! Please beam him out!!!
Anyways...
Playable Borg faction = No...
If you had any sense of Star Trek Universe, you would know that it would not be possible...
Hive Mind = No single Borg thinks for it'self, unless Liberated and then it would join Star Fleet anyways...
I really cant see player faction borg work. Borg are ment to be Way over powered but it wouldnt be right if they made them as fair fight when it comes one on one with a single ship. The only player faction that should be in are
Fed - Klingon - Romulan - Dominion/cardies.
If they want to add another unique player faction then in should be freelance/mercs/traders.
I'd really rather see a last man standing "Infected" arena map based around the Borg then a full on faction.
With one side starting as Borg with specific Borg powers and the other side just trying to stay alive, game ends when all players have become Borg or all Borg are dead, switch sides and the other team starts as Borg and you start all over again in a Best of Three setup.
Best part is, this would work both on the ground and in space if you implemented it properly.
90% of the posters on this thread apparently never actually watched Star Trek.
The borg call themselves a collective but when you actually watch the series, as soon as the queen is introduced, it becomes apparent that they are very far from such. A collective, by definition, is the aggregate of the interests of individuals comprising a group. The borg serve no interest but that of the queen; the interests of all assimilated entities are filed and ignored...the borg programming forces those connected to its exonet to be devoid of all interest (by forgetting their identity) and provide nothing to an aggregate/collective other than information that can be used to create technology that enhances the interests of the queen. An actual cybernetic collective can be more appropriately found in the Geth from the Mass Effect series ... their minds are shared and all of their actions are an aggregate of the interests and opinions of the individual units comprising their collective. The borg are nothing more then a cybernetic mind control monarchy lead by a quasi-individual entity that forces its will upon all members linked to its network (the queen).
As for the argument of play-ability, they are perfectly playable provided that customization is greatly restricted. The queen is an entity that dominates the borg network and is capable of manufacturing multiple copies of itself and inhabiting biosynthetic body duplicates constructed of engineered organic material and android parts (as evidenced by TNG: First Contact). Borg troops are often disconnected from the main collective but still function as if connected due to the presence of queen entities in their networks. Each playable "captain" would simply have to be a copy of the queen. Playable borg wouldn't ruin their canon at all, but it'd be boring as hell to play considering all "captains" would be restricted to white female characters, none of the ships would be customizable and there'd only be four types of ships (as mentioned). By the way, to those that mentioned "assimilated ships" -- the borg typically dismantle those ships and use their constituent parts and materials in the manufacture of their own ship classes.
Anyway if you tl;dr'd --- No one here knows the definition of "collective" and the borg are totally playable but wouldn't be anything but a passing novelty that would occupy all of a day of someone's interest.
This thread is over 2.5 years old so it will be burned with plasma. If you have some ideas on a Borg faction, then create your own thread. That said, a playable Borg faction would not be playing as part of the Collective since you would not have control of your character, but a faction like the Borg Cooperative or Hugh's group where they have some individuality. Dan Stahl, person in charge of STO, has mentioned he would like to see a Borg faction since it would be challenging.
Before the mods break out the pulsewave, I think a better idea would be a liberated borg faction. Not the same as the liberated borg pcs lifetimers get of course, but helping a liberated borg faction get off the ground would introduce tons of interesting storytelling opportunities.
With tons of liberated borg all over the place already, it's a natural progression from the current borg crisis given the final battle occurs (for now) in Into The Hive and Hive Onslaught.
It might also give us something to do in Gamma Orionis again. Or they could even put it in B'Tran.
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Yeah, I don't get the appeal....it always comes back to 3 ships. Don't get me wrong, Borg are cool as hell, just to really be Borg (not a splinter group), it's basically not playable. Hive mind and all.
I guess a work around for the 3 ships types would be "assimilated" ships....ships that were captured and Borged out by this splinter ground....something like a combo of say a Constitution/whatever class and Nero's ship.
Though, if I could play the Borg...ramming speed with a Borg Cube, baby! Other ships would be like bugs on a windshield. THUMP!
Locutus (looking through Borg Cube view screen as starships splat all over it like bugs on a windshield): "Wipers..... Engage"
My sentiments almost exactly.
when this idea comes up in fleet chat, it is usually someone making fun of people who want to play as Borg, I inevitably point out that as soon as a player makes a proper Borg character they should no longer be able to control that character. Borg are the ultimate NPC. They are literally drones that obey a programed set of responses to any input. If something new and unexpected happens to arise the system logs it and auto generates a bug report and quries for a solution.
If they were "real" they would be Wal Mart shoppers as their primary identity.
Does that mean the Queen is the greeter?
:eek:
Fact- Borg- the three ships just get bigger
Fact- Borg- you assimilate instead of blowing up- and in pvp any one you beat becomes borg
then all the bad players are a mass of borg. with plasma weapons. and they kill the complaining
Rear admiral guys that are bored anyway and turn them into borg. Then the bad players and the veterans that are now borg fight everyone else. But a Science ship/officer can use a ray and turn you back if you hate it
Fact- Borg- they really need to loosen up and have some fun with the game. do stuff that everyone will really complain about- demote them, kill the BO's, - and people will complain but secretly like it
the evidence is clear- Borg- playable, doable, and you should get a 7 of 9 looking tactical officer
ROFLMAO!!!
Fact? That's all conjecture.
Fact: Borg are a hive mind and posses no individuality, not even the queen. To play one would mean only one could play them all.
Surrender your individual account to contribute your digital indistinctiveness to the collective. Playing Borg in STO would be like cloud computing gone all wrong!
Fact- Borg- jung- "if we did not have enemies we would create them"
the borg don;t kill- they assimilate- nicer than feds or klinks
Fact- Borg- people project that aspect about themselves they refuse to accept- we are in a collective- we do walk around as indviduals supporting the system- get up- go to work- pay taxes, etc- automotomic
Fact- Borg- half machine, half man- oh you mean like everyone with a cell phone on their head or an i pod in their ear or keyboard keys at their finger tips, or the sound waves and tv light on screens we are bombarded with daily- constantly- the borg in the game seem more autonomus then real life-
Fact -Borg- have names- "la quitas" - names imply uniqueness
the evidence is clear- Borg- as a faction, as a way of life
now i must go make a Player Undine Faction Thread to compete with this inferior one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4LR6Ev27FQ
People who ask for playable borg faction have NO respect for them and have NO idea what they stand for, and what would be lost if they ever become playable.
Daleks won that title long before the borg arrived.
TRIBBLE? whats TRIBBLE is typing certain words in CAPS for empahsis - like bad propaganda writing-
someone shout at me i know they are wrong
"silence is so accurate- mark rothko
but i put all the capped words togehter to get to the truth - and what i read is ....
TRIBBLE EVER NO NO
who would have guessed
lol
we NEED a UNDINE faction cos i said SO. :O
Silence IS indeed golden...I see you practice it well. Using words to communicate concepts we already knew you thought by your silence is merely an inefficient frosting to the cake of your non-communication. Perhaps if you return to the unwritten form of communication you were using before we would understand your un-worded opinions better and be greater people for it. In fact, presenting your thoughts to us with such an ineffective method like language is confusing us greatly. I'm sure if you spent a week in quiet contemplation merely observing this forum you would see the changes you so desire. If not, simply wait longer, for it shall come to you eventually.
they just went more human parts then machine parts
-in the tutorial they said something about a new borg type
lots of options
but - i will retreat- i can see the counter arguement- its like "Alien" - they had a cool bad guy- then they explained it- then they changed it to even more terrible...or " Terminator" lets take the non stop machine that just keeps moving forward blindly (oh you mean like us) and make an even betterer one! yawn
"explaining" the monster or trying to make it even "more monsterous" is a hollywood/tv thing
that bad writers come up with
like - Using words to communicate concepts we already knew you thought by your silence is merely an inefficient frosting to the cake of your non-communication.
i know you are trying to sound smart or something- but this makes no sense- not one concrete word or idea
"you knew my thoughts by silence and its inefficent to non communication?"
lol- uh ok - thanks
Yeah, that was the point. Your original quote about silence was bull, my reply was more bull to point out your bull.
Look at it awhile longer, I'm sure you'll figure it out...eventually. Just remember not to talk. Apparently only we fools are allowed the meager practice of using language to interact. Every time you write something you are merely lowering yourself to our level.
And he is in my friends post! Please beam him out!!!
Anyways...
Playable Borg faction = No...
If you had any sense of Star Trek Universe, you would know that it would not be possible...
Hive Mind = No single Borg thinks for it'self, unless Liberated and then it would join Star Fleet anyways...
Fed - Klingon - Romulan - Dominion/cardies.
If they want to add another unique player faction then in should be freelance/mercs/traders.
With one side starting as Borg with specific Borg powers and the other side just trying to stay alive, game ends when all players have become Borg or all Borg are dead, switch sides and the other team starts as Borg and you start all over again in a Best of Three setup.
Best part is, this would work both on the ground and in space if you implemented it properly.
The borg call themselves a collective but when you actually watch the series, as soon as the queen is introduced, it becomes apparent that they are very far from such. A collective, by definition, is the aggregate of the interests of individuals comprising a group. The borg serve no interest but that of the queen; the interests of all assimilated entities are filed and ignored...the borg programming forces those connected to its exonet to be devoid of all interest (by forgetting their identity) and provide nothing to an aggregate/collective other than information that can be used to create technology that enhances the interests of the queen. An actual cybernetic collective can be more appropriately found in the Geth from the Mass Effect series ... their minds are shared and all of their actions are an aggregate of the interests and opinions of the individual units comprising their collective. The borg are nothing more then a cybernetic mind control monarchy lead by a quasi-individual entity that forces its will upon all members linked to its network (the queen).
As for the argument of play-ability, they are perfectly playable provided that customization is greatly restricted. The queen is an entity that dominates the borg network and is capable of manufacturing multiple copies of itself and inhabiting biosynthetic body duplicates constructed of engineered organic material and android parts (as evidenced by TNG: First Contact). Borg troops are often disconnected from the main collective but still function as if connected due to the presence of queen entities in their networks. Each playable "captain" would simply have to be a copy of the queen. Playable borg wouldn't ruin their canon at all, but it'd be boring as hell to play considering all "captains" would be restricted to white female characters, none of the ships would be customizable and there'd only be four types of ships (as mentioned). By the way, to those that mentioned "assimilated ships" -- the borg typically dismantle those ships and use their constituent parts and materials in the manufacture of their own ship classes.
Anyway if you tl;dr'd --- No one here knows the definition of "collective" and the borg are totally playable but wouldn't be anything but a passing novelty that would occupy all of a day of someone's interest.
With tons of liberated borg all over the place already, it's a natural progression from the current borg crisis given the final battle occurs (for now) in Into The Hive and Hive Onslaught.
It might also give us something to do in Gamma Orionis again. Or they could even put it in B'Tran.
and it would be easy to make, not alot of content required for a borg faction.
so i vote yes.
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