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Probably a topic that's been brought up before, but I'm just curious. For how many of you is this your first MMORPG?

If it is, what kind of games do you normally play?

What got you to try this game?

What do you think of MMORPGs? What do you like? What do you dislike?

Sometimes MMO vets ... I don't know ... lose perspective. We forget the magic of what it was like when all of this was new. Even though at the same time we continually hold new MMOs up to the benchmark of our past MMOs because of that magic.

So I just wanted to get a feel for what people who are new to the genre are seeing with this game. Not a dragon in sight here, so this has to be vastly different from my first MMO.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    MMO Vet... Started with SWG, Then tried WoW ( for 30 min and got board ) And then on to STO, I like the idea STO has got. Im a trek fan, ( not the one that makes a big deal about ship models or how the time-line is not right) but STO all rond. Yes, Im a Life-Timer. I think people think that they should get a game that is all done, i.e, all factions, all ships etc, and the only *updates* that the dev should have to do is minor updates, and the ones that are crying about this hasn't played an MMO before. Maybe they have, still. The dev team has done a good job, the game had a good lunch, the servers have yet to "crash" like in the Beta.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This is my second MMO, first one was Guild Wars which was very similar to STO being that it was instanced focused on a build/skill system like STO. The item setup was also very similar with very rares not being distinctively more powerful than regular items. You could also solo through GW much like STO with some endgame content you needed to be grouped.

    They are both very similar games with one big difference, GW was sub fee free and STO is $16/month. GW had less problems and show stoppers compared to STO and it was free. So I don't consider myself a jaded MMOer and still expect more from STO. It's more my love for the space combat and Star Trek that keeps me around because if this was another monster beat em up like GW i'd be gone, and I reckon a lot of others would be too.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    STO is the first MMO that I've bothered to follow for any length of time. I dabbled in City of Heroes, EVE, WoW and a few others but just couldn't commit the time to them to justify my monthly subscription.

    I love the story and the lore. I find myself reading all of the background information on missions and consulting the memory alpha often.
    I also like the fact that I can pick it up and play solo since I don't have an unlimited amount of time to dedicate to playing.
    I wouldn't call myself a Trekkie by any stretch of the imagination however I have always been a fan of the Star Trek universe which in turn helps my immersion greatly during play time.

    My biggest complaints about any of the other MMO’s I’ve played are that most of them seem to require grouping which I simply can't commit the time to.
    Or they tend to bore me to death with the uninteresting story arcs and world lore.

    As far as my complaints about STO well.. I don't really have a whole lot to speak of at this point.
    I've been taking my time with the content, and when I've run into issues the GM response has been quite swift.

    I guess my biggest complaint would be the lack of content surrounding the Klingon's and also would like to see more diversity in the existing story for the Federation.
    However I am patient and look forward to seeing what Cryptic has lined up for STO in the coming months.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I am a MMO veteran. I have played 10 MMOs. Been in 5 launches. So I didn't expect anything from STO. I didn't put all my hopes in it being the greatest MMO ever. I have already did that and was very disappointed. I really didn't think I would like STO but I did. I didn't expect it to be problem free. Because I had been in the launches of others.

    I quit WoW. I was looking for a new game and bought Champions online. I saw the add on their web site and applied for closed beta but didn't get in. I had played Star Fleet Command and Elite Force. I liked both of those. The main reason I tried this game was because it was Star Trek.

    I really like this game. I like the two different types of game play. Also commanding bridge officer away teams. Plus the way I can customize them. The game play in STO has more to offer than most MMOs which are only one form of game play.

    I quit playing consoles games after I started to play MMOs. I would just beat them in a few days and would have to get a new game. I haven't really played PC single player games either after switching to MMOs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Long time MMO'er...played about a dozen pay to plays and probably another dozen pay to win...I mean free to play.

    I've noticed that many MMO'ers just like to cry about anything, and when they DO cry....it's the end of the world, I got ripped off, drama llama, QQ scene. Given that this game is heavily instanced (GW isn't considered an MMO by many because of this) I can see why they are whining. Almost any MMO forum has a huge amount of butthurt people....it's just the nature of the beast. If it's not "this is the the worst game ever" it's "Bring back pre-Moria" "Wrath sucks, TBC was way better" (for LotRO and WoW) or whatever the benchmark is in game X

    Now, there are some major bugs in the game (weapons quit firing is the biggest for me), I can't and won't defend them....yet people forget that most other MMO's have major bugs too. SWG still has launch bugs (or did about a year ago, haven't been back), WoW turns into a complete mess for days after a patch (mainly mail and AH interactions for me, they just get screwed up). I guess it's part of the system (GW does seem to be an exception, that has to be one of the smoothest games I have ever played). I can accept that it's light on end game content, and Klingons don't have the story missions they should....yet Cryptic would have gotten slammed if they hadn't been in at launch too....lose/lose situation.

    Having said that, I don't really care for the 2 year development time Cryptic uses. If they had waited another six months or so....we would have season 2 just about ready, Klingons would have been (more) finished, all the updates like exchange overhaul, Memory Alpha changes....but it would have been in at launch.
    I think Cryptic (or more likely Atari) shot themselves in the foot a bit with an early launch.

    Worst game ever? Not by a long shot. A good MMO with some flaws but plenty of potential, and meanwhile is still a blast? That sounds more like it. I'm about 90 bucks into this game, and it has been worth it....if you bought a lifetime sub and multiple versions WITHOUT TRYING IT (especially if you never played the MMO genre before) and ended up not liking it.....you are just stupid, have too much money or both. Anyone who drops $500 without a clear idea of what they are getting ....well, must be nice.

    With all the bad launches that have happened since WoW ( I can only think of LotRO having a pretty good one)....I am looking forward to SWTOR's launch. Don't be suprised if it is "the worst game ever!" to many....it's the nature of the beast. Though I have hopes for it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    Probably a topic that's been brought up before, but I'm just curious. For how many of you is this your first MMORPG?

    Not my first, but what the heck. I like a series of well thought out questions.
    If it is, what kind of games do you normally play?

    While this is not my first, I'll answer anyways. I enjoy RPGs, shooters, strategy games, simulations, and stealth games.
    What got you to try this game?

    The Star Trek title, and that I wanted to play a SciFi MMOG that is NOT EvE.
    What do you think of MMORPGs? What do you like? What do you dislike?

    I think MMOG's (I think the RPG title is inappropriate for what the industry offers) evolution is completely stagnated and stifled due to a desire to be a "WoW" killer. This has lead to designers copying far too much from older, established games. This, in turn, causes players to see little to nothing new offered, which leads to them questioning why they should invest in a new game when they have already invested in an old community. This causes a death-spiral of new games cratering quickly, without getting a chance to establish themselves, so the industry in general gets even more skittish, and shies even farther away from innovative ideas.

    The potential persistent (or semi-persistent) results in an environment which is shared with other players is what makes MMOGs unique, and I think that when an MMOG focuses on these aspects, it becomes the best at what it can be.

    I greatly dislike three things. First, the above mentioned state of the industry. Second, the near sociopathic behavior that the anonymity of online gaming seems to bring out in some people. Any hope you may have had for the Human race is instantly shattered when you find that more than half of us degenerate in to abusive SOBs if we do not fear ramifications. The third issue I have, is that MMOGs seem to invariably devolve in to "do the same bloody thing over and over until you collect what you need from it", AKA repetitive grind. To me, this sucks the sense of adventure right out of the thing, and makes it more like a job I have to pay someone ELSE for the honor of working at. In the real world, I expect to get paid to waste my time on something tedious, as I do not get those hours of my life back at any point in the future.
    Sometimes MMO vets ... I don't know ... lose perspective. We forget the magic of what it was like when all of this was new. Even though at the same time we continually hold new MMOs up to the benchmark of our past MMOs because of that magic.

    So I just wanted to get a feel for what people who are new to the genre are seeing with this game. Not a dragon in sight here, so this has to be vastly different from my first MMO.

    I'm not new to MMOGs, but I try to approach each MMOG with as clean a slate as possible. While STO has disappointed me on some levels, it has not done so in a crippling way. Cryptic's efforts to correct errors and expand the STO game experience show a great deal of promise for the future of STO. However, only time will tell for me.

    You are correct, we vets often do become jaded and lose our perspective. We also tend to forget that the Human mind lets bad memories fade, why trying to preserve good ones. While this is a nice survival technique, it also makes things from the past seem much better than they actually were.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Thanks for all the replies. I don't tend to start a lot of threads in my forum going. But I thought this one might be good just to get people sharing. And help people find a common ground. And just to see what other peoples' experiences and perspectives are.

    So thank you very much for considering the questions I've asked. All of you.

    :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Tried & played a lot of MMOs since Ultima Online:

    Anarcy Online, EQ, Asheron's Call, Shadowbane, EQ II, SWG, WoW, LotR, CoH/CoV, AoC, EvE and now STO.

    Many of the games were abandoned and then revisited over the course of years.

    I just this week got burned out on STO and can't seem to play it anymore - well, for now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ioci wrote:
    It's unavoidable. The saying, "All good things come to an end".

    I was stunned at how fast it happened here.

    2 years for SWG
    5 years for EvE

    6 months for LotRO
    5 months for DAoC
    3 months for Rhyzom
    3 months PotBS
    6 months out of Runescape (4 paid sub)

    This one? A month?
    Same for AoC, they only lasted a month. Still not bad. I think I got 4 hrs out of Tabula Rasa and it was in the junk CD pile. I do see a pattern though. Decent games with well done crafting systems seem to hold me longer. Ya win some, ya lose some.

    From another thread I just posted in, so no. Those arent all of them, just the ones I remember right now.

    In answer to your other questions, it Star Trek, its space. EvE is my benchmark even if I dont like it. I can with no difficulty remind myself why I dont play it anymore. I also know what kept me there 5 years. SWG, preCU was the becnhmark. Unrelated, non MMO, FF7 is a benchmark legacy game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This not my first MMO .. nor is this my first Trek based game. I played SFC 2, SCF2-OP and SFC3 .. and other MMO's before STO.

    The one thing I had hopped for here was a better crafting system to better enhance game activities.

    I do enjoy the rest of the game .. for the most part.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I dont know where youve been hiding lol but the servers crashed all the time daily only 2 months ago
    and everytime theres a patch theres a new bug


    as for the devs have done a good job thats a laugh for a start
    :D
    TurboPimp wrote: »
    MMO Vet... Started with SWG, Then tried WoW ( for 30 min and got board ) And then on to STO, I like the idea STO has got. Im a trek fan, ( not the one that makes a big deal about ship models or how the time-line is not right) but STO all rond. Yes, Im a Life-Timer. I think people think that they should get a game that is all done, i.e, all factions, all ships etc, and the only *updates* that the dev should have to do is minor updates, and the ones that are crying about this hasn't played an MMO before. Maybe they have, still. The dev team has done a good job, the game had a good lunch, the servers have yet to "crash" like in the Beta.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    ..however, it is not my first RPG, I've been a dedicate console & pencil & paper RPG geek for more than a decade now. I've played several editions of D&D, D20 Modern, D20 Future, D20 Past, Vampire the Masquerade, Saga edition Star Wars RPG, etc..

    But I was an MMO virgin until STO came along and got me all excited.:eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    Probably a topic that's been brought up before, but I'm just curious. For how many of you is this your first MMORPG?
    This isn't my first, so I almost feel bad posting here. Almost. ;)
    If it is, what kind of games do you normally play?
    Outside of MMOs, I like FPS and especially FP-stealth games, and also sandbox-type games where you can make stuff ("SimCity" and "The Sims" are the first examples that spring to mind, though I haven't played either in a long time).
    What got you to try this game?
    Combination of the IP and Cryptic's name. Say what you will about the company now, but I still think "City of Heroes" has a lot of features that current and future MMO devs should review. That gave me some hope that they could recapture that formula.
    What do you think of MMORPGs? What do you like? What do you dislike?
    Likes: Even as an MMO vet, I'm still entranced with the notion of a persistent world. I also like the social element - even just seeing other player characters run around provides a hook that PC games don't.

    Dislikes: Persistence of worlds doesn't mean much if you, the player, can't change them, even as part of some "mass action" effect. There's potential there, and I'm bummed that the potential isn't tapped.

    Also, I agree with what ThomasGideon said about the stagnation of the industry. However, I'd suggest that some of that stagnation is due to players themselves. On the one hand, players call for innovation and new experiences from developing MMOSs, but if innovation is actually delivered, other players (sometimes the same players) will blast it with fire. A lot of players buy into the status quo quite willingly, and are too eager to reject any game that doesn't deliver more of the same.

    On a related note, I think the industry places far too much importance on launch statistics. Subscription model MMOs are a long-term investment by their very nature, and should be treated as such. I hope the emphasis will shift from the current "blockbuster" mentality to more of an indie focus, but I don't see the industry or players making that switch.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    If a year of that crappy game Runescpae counts then no. But I consider it my first because RS is a piece of TRIBBLE like no other.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Ioci wrote:
    From another thread I just posted in, so no. Those arent all of them, just the ones I remember right now.

    In answer to your other questions, it Star Trek, its space. EvE is my benchmark even if I dont like it. I can with no difficulty remind myself why I dont play it anymore. I also know what kept me there 5 years. SWG, preCU was the becnhmark. Unrelated, non MMO, FF7 is a benchmark legacy game.

    What kept you with eve for 5 years, and why'd you stop?

    I played in 2008 for awhile then stopped until recently. they made a lot of good changes in that game that STO would be wise to follow up on (but they likely can't due to core game design differences)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    Probably a topic that's been brought up before, but I'm just curious. For how many of you is this your first MMORPG?

    If it is, what kind of games do you normally play?

    What got you to try this game?

    What do you think of MMORPGs? What do you like? What do you dislike?

    Sometimes MMO vets ... I don't know ... lose perspective. We forget the magic of what it was like when all of this was new. Even though at the same time we continually hold new MMOs up to the benchmark of our past MMOs because of that magic.

    So I just wanted to get a feel for what people who are new to the genre are seeing with this game. Not a dragon in sight here, so this has to be vastly different from my first MMO.

    3 yrs of RuneScape (once decent, but gutted by crippling trade limits and immature themes that never went away. Terribad graphics and a banhammer the size of the Earth didn't help players either), then a year and a half of WoW (good game, but too much PvP and devs lied about the PvE content being available to all. Mimiron broke my guild, ending my time there).

    MMORPGs are great for socialization for those of us in rural regions. I like how the good ones strike a balance between teaming and solo play slanted toward solo play. Easier is better. Really hate how MMORPGs tend to have PvP in almost every one of them, and that inevitably nerfs abilities in PvE.

    Tried this game because Star Trek's always been a favorite of mine and it combines what I like from MMOs with Star Trek.

    -1 at the VM nerf in PvE. Please no world PvP that affects PvE. Nerf all STFs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    What kept you with eve for 5 years, and why'd you stop?

    I played in 2008 for awhile then stopped until recently. they made a lot of good changes in that game that STO would be wise to follow up on (but they likely can't due to core game design differences)

    In particular what changes? It's possible that STO could do them if it's a tech issue but unlikely if it's a mechanic like player starship construction.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Old MMO pro. Started in MUDs about 10 years ago with Medievia, Sojourn 3, and a few others. Did Sierra's The Realm after it was put on a server life status (meaning the game was no longer supported, but would continue as long as the servers were alive). Did WoW starting during its Open Beta, and through till January this year. LotRO for a few months. Beta'd DDO, play it somewhat now that there's a free, albeit somewhat limited, play account. Tried SWG post SoE takeover, got bored after a couple weeks. City of Heroes on a friend pass, same thing, grew bored. EVE for a month, got bored and frustrated with it. Others not even worth mentioning.

    Obviously, my focus was more on medieval fantasy titles. Some space ones, but they left much to be desired to me. I'm still looking forward to the day that a space or futuristic title will just unbelievably wow me. SWTOR holds promise, and I'll see if Bioware can deliver on it.

    What got me to try this game was... it was Star Trek. Heck, a friend from WoW and I were talking about it back when Perpetual was still designing the game. I was extremely hopeful for it, that it would be true to the Star Trek experience. Sadly, it degenerated into the standard MMO genre. Was hoping for some change, something different and fresh. What we were given, it's standard stuff with the Star Trek theme slapped on the surface.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    This is my first MMORPG video game i play. I love playing this game. It may be the only MMORPG video game i will play. Because it's Star Trek and i am a big Star Trek fan.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Did a small stinct with Final Fantasy XI on the 360. Demo phase. Didn't like it.

    But this is my very first MMO game, ever. And this Star Trek...I will play it until it ends. (hopefully)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I first have to say that I am a allround Sci-Fi fan. Love Star Trek but don't talk Klingon or have any pointy ears in a drawer somewhere. Also I don't own I lightsaber either.

    I have played LOTRO, SWG and EVE but only the demos or try out.

    LOTRO looked great but felt empty and boring very fast. Not having the music score and character content from the movies was a big mistake if you ask me.

    SWG was more promessing but I just could not see myself playing past the demo.

    EVE also got very boring very soon; as stated, did not get past the demo.

    Did not try any of the lets say Dungeons & Dragons kind of MMO's cuz I don't like the genre anyway. But thats personal.

    STO:
    Played Beta for a couple of weeks and liked it. Beta also convinced me NOT to buy a life time sub and I am still not convinced that I should buy one now.
    Reached cap very fast but not having any other MMO long experience to compare it with I must relly on your experiences with this. Did find this was to fast.
    Still here only cuz its STO and I'm having fun... but time is ticking.

    Other multi player games:
    I have played Delta Force (DF) since the Land Warrior version came out and through all the other versions since then. Now waiting for the new DF to come out. Something I doubt will ever happen. So DF is dead but I am still member of a online DF squad. However I don't play it anymore for a lot of reasons but mainly cuz the great amount of cheaters.

    I agree with the statements about the game industry lacking imagination and trying for something completly new when making a MMO. Now they just slap a skin on it and call it what ever they want and its the same as any other. Lets be honest here: if STO was not Star Trek but another EVE thing, lets call it Star Exodus, it most likely would be dead already.
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