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Next playable faction, whatever it is please do it better than you did the Klingons..

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Can we get an actual FULL faction like the federation please?

-Full line of of ships as good as the federation
-Full amount of ship customization options like the Federation
-Full PvE and PvP

and the list goes on.

I have a max fed and a max Klingon, and although playing the klingons all pvp has certainly made me a better pvp'er, I am alot less likely to make any effort to see the character to its fullest with SF and gear etc, its just not as connected to me as my fed. I hope we get the Romulans and its a full blown playable race
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Hey guys, did you hear that the Klingon faction is unfinished? No? Then let me tell you all about it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    A load of Klingon content is supposed to come out in Season 2, possibly making it complete or a lot closer to complete. If you haven't heard, the reason the Klingon faction wasn't complete is because they had to rush the game out or lose the license. Obviously the Federation faction was the top priority.

    Right now they are only in the planning stages of a 3rd faction and I will guarantee that when it does come out it will be much more complete than the Klingon faction currently is. The only reason I say that is because they don't have a deadline for when the next playable faction will come out.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Personally, I'm waiting for them to run out the rest of the PvE content for the Klingons to put anymore work into mine. I've been focusing on my other Fed toons atm.

    That said, I think Cryptic did the right thing by making Klingons playable from the get go, rather than waiting until their PvE was finished to introduce them. I have faith that they can flesh out Klingon PvE while they are working on the Romulan faction. But I do understand your concern.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Romulans aren't coming anytime soon. A poll to gather people's opinions doesn't mean Cryptic plans for them to be playable within a few patches. :p I wouldn't expect them until after Season 3 or later. Season 2 is supposed to contain a bunch of KDF updates, namely real PVE missions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Romulans aren't coming anytime soon. A poll to gather people's opinions doesn't mean Cryptic plans for them to be playable within a few patches. :p I wouldn't expect them until after Season 3 or later. Season 2 is supposed to contain a bunch of KDF updates, namely real PVE missions.


    i read end of summer for next faction. whenever the yawnulans are released, I hope its more then pvp grinding.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Rebel230 wrote: »
    -Full line of of ships as good as the federation
    -Full amount of ship customization options like the Federation

    Some factions simply don't have that many ships or ship variations available to them.

    What do you propose if the next playable faction is ... Borg?

    There's Spheres. Probes. Cubes.

    What, you want them to make Pyramids an option? Trapazoids? Perhaps a nice Oval?

    Exactly how much variation is there among Birds of Prey?

    Or D'Deridex Warbirds?

    Or Galors?

    The source material itself heavily favors Federation details. Federation variety. Federation customization.

    Not so much the rest of the galaxy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    Some factions simply don't have that many ships or ship variations available to them.

    What do you propose if the next playable faction is ... Borg?

    There's Spheres. Probes. Cubes.

    What, you want them to make Pyramids an option? Trapazoids? Perhaps a nice Oval?

    Exactly how much variation is there among Birds of Prey?

    Or D'Deridex Warbirds?

    Or Galors?

    The source material itself heavily favors Federation details. Federation variety. Federation customization.

    Not so much the rest of the galaxy.


    agree, but the Borg queen had a cool looking ship. And lets not forget about Borg ship Lore used in TNG--that thing was epic looking
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Well, as time goes on Federation customization options increase (thereby making any new factions difficult to compete against a full array of choices).

    However, keeping the 3 variants by 3 types through the middle 3 tiers would be great. Have a set T1 vessel; then open it up at level 40+ (RA, T5, BG) to 3 variants by 6 types. This is a sizable amount.

    3x1x1 = 3
    3x3x3 = 27
    3x6x1 = 18
    Total ships variants for a faction launch: 48.

    The ship designer crew has there work cut out for them - especially as the continue to pump out new ships for existing factions (i.e. variants of previous factions while simultaneously designing new faction ships).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Hmm....
    Rebel230 wrote: »
    -Full line of of ships as good as the federation

    There is a drastically higher number of canon ships to draw from for the Federation than there is for the Klingons, and while I was initially skeptical when I first heard about the Klingon ship-list, it grew on me and I like it.

    Just for comparison though, lets take a look at how many ships designs Cryptic had to draw on for the two factions (just off the top of my head):

    StarFleet:
    -Galaxy
    -Sovereign
    -Akira
    -Olympic
    -Defiant
    -Miranda
    -Centaur
    -Constitution
    -Nova
    -Intrepid
    -Prometheus
    -Constellation
    -Norway
    -Excelsior
    -Nebula
    -Ambassador
    -Steamrunner
    the list goes on

    Now the Klingon designs that they had to work off of:
    -B'rel/K'Vort (both the exact same design, one is just larger)
    -Vor'cha
    -Negh'var
    -K'T'Inga/D7
    -Raptor

    To the point, Cryptic did fine with what they had

    Rebel230 wrote: »
    -Full amount of ship customization options like the Federation

    While it would be nice, I'm not going to cry about it.
    Rebel230 wrote: »
    -Full PvE and PvP

    PvE content is coming and soon. Cryptic is working hard to fix and improve everything about this game, we just have to give them the time to do it.
    Rebel230 wrote: »
    I have a max fed and a max Klingon, and although playing the klingons all pvp has certainly made me a better pvp'er, I am alot less likely to make any effort to see the character to its fullest with SF and gear etc, its just not as connected to me as my fed. I hope we get the Romulans and its a full blown playable race

    The Klingons are a "full blown playable race" and they're going to get their episodic PvE content in June or July (I forget off the top of my head which).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I say we skip the next faction for now and just work on Klingons... I know thats just crazy talk... But thats just me...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Sevensev wrote:
    agree, but the Borg queen had a cool looking ship. And lets not forget about Borg ship Lore used in TNG--that thing was epic looking

    Yeah. But still, the OP's asking for federation level of customization. The Borg simply don't have that many different ships. Nor do the Klingons. Or the Romulans.

    It's the same thing with available races.

    I expect the Romulans to have Remans, Hirogen, Aliens and maybe one other. That the Klingons have as many as they have is actually kind of distressing for hardcore Klingon Role Players, because the Klingon Empire does not seem like the type to allow conquered races to captain their ships.

    But the federation ... the whole point of the federations ... is to have hundreds and hundreds of different aliens united under one banner. All come together for the benevolent exploration and expansion of the federation into the great unknown of space.

    That they have so many more available races is the point.

    And I kind of feel that's the point with ships too.

    A Bird of Prey is a Bird of Prey is a Bird of Prey. They can make it bigger. Give it more guns. Make it look cooler at a higher level.

    But it's not the same thing as the difference between a Miranda class Light Cruiser, a Sovereign Class Assault Cruiser and an Intrepid Class science vessel.

    I don't think the KDF spends much of its resources on that level of variety. So it's kind of a ... misplaced argument to complain that the KDF, an entity designed around warfare, has pretty much a narrow variety of ships ... all warships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    I expect the Romulans to have Remans, Hirogen, Aliens and maybe one other. That the Klingons have as many as they have is actually kind of distressing for hardcore Klingon Role Players, because the Klingon Empire does not seem like the type to allow conquered races to captain their ships.
    I agree that, from canon, there's an extremely limited amount of ships per varying factions outside the federation.

    That said, I think even the most staunch Klingon would, during a war, allow allies to fly their own ships into glorious combat - if only because constructing a new BOP for every alien captain would be time-consuming (also, a Klingon would "get" that a native species would want to fight and die in their vessels, even if the Klingons felt competitive against them).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    That said, I think even the most staunch Klingon would, during a war, allow allies to fly their own ships into glorious combat - if only because constructing a new BOP for every alien captain would be time-consuming (also, a Klingon would "get" that a native species would want to fight and die in their vessels, even if the Klingons felt competitive against them).

    It's an interesting debate to have. Even in a time of war ... how far would you trust an Orion pirate to have your empire's best interests at heart in a firefight, when ... you know, you just did your best to crush their entire system under the heel of your righteous and glorious rule?

    I mean, mechanically, I see the reason for this. There needs to be variety in the various factions. Or else they're just way too boring for people to play.

    But storywise ... it's a tougher sell.

    It's not something I dwell on, mind you. Just something I think of from time to time.

    And no matter what, I don't think any other faction out there is going to have the variety of the federation in terms of playable races. Because that really is the federation's gimmick.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I suspect the "next faction" thing is akin to "what do you want the foundation layers and framers to work on now? They're done with the foundation and framing for the Klingon house, and while the people who hang sheetrock, paint, and add fixtures and flooring are busy there, the guys who build the framework and foundation need a new project."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I heard rumors that the next playable faction will indeed be Klingons.

    So far, its clearly just a rumor.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    It is amazing how in a niche of Star Trek, they are smaller ones that love and hate different parts of its lore and technology.

    For example, I have "Sacrifice of Angels Fed v dominion DS9 youtube'd favorite. There are quite alot of people that frowned upon the way the battle took place. I enjoy and hate it at the same time.

    Before the difficulty slider, post after post complained about how carebear easy it was. After slider, we have posters complaining that its too expensive to repair, and want npc torps nerfed, for example.


    Double edged sword we must weave, for it shall always bite off what is needed most.

    ---World King B. Obama, circa 2053 AD
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    There are tons of nice ship designes in other Star Trek games. Personaly I just loved the Borg Pyramid, Obelisk or Diamond. Or the Romulan Vengeance.
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