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Do Romulan ships cloak? havn't seen one do it yet.

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Hi
I've started a second character and started my first Roumlan Mission (again), it’s been awhile since I’ve engaged Romulan ships. But I don't recall them cloaking the first time (maybe in a episode sometime) and now that I’ve uncounted them again. I’m pretty sure they don't cloak.

The only known NPC ships that clock are Klingon birds of Prey not sure if other Klingon ships are meant to cloak or not.

But I want to add the point they don't make good use of it. They either cloak too early or don't use it to escape to safe distance to heal a little or fully heal before returning to battle.
Perhaps it’s not the Klingon way...

For the Romulan encounters though an ability to slink away seems about right, perhaps each NPC faction with cloaking tech should make different use of the device?

As far as I’m aware Romulan War birds and Birds of prey can cloak and possibly over ship types can two... in my second encounter with just the birds of prey and raptors none of them cloak.

An interesting challenge would be to engage a Scimitar style ship where u would have to depend on anti- cloak powers for detection. Such as sensor scan or the random spreads in to space hoping to hit something in the hope to get a target.

For further info see link below.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cloaking_device
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The problem with using cloak scans to fire on things like the Scimitar and using torpedo spread to cover an area you suspect the ship is at is that you currently need a target to be able to fire a weapon. There's no ability to fire at a point in space.

    With regards to your cloaking question in general I've only got memories of the D'Deridex using a cloak and that seemed more like the current non-battle cloak the Klingons have.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    All Klingon ships can cloak but only BoP's have battle cloak. And the reason non-BoP's don't use their cloak is because (if you solo) they all fly on their own in missions, if they were cloaked it would be impossible to find them during missions. Which is why BoP's do the 1 un-cloak and 2 cloaked trick, so you can find them too.

    I assume both are true of Roumlans too. They can but don't, simply so you can find them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Hi
    I've started a second character and started my first Roumlan Mission (again), it’s been awhile since I’ve engaged Romulan ships. But I don't recall them cloaking the first time (maybe in a episode sometime) and now that I’ve uncounted them again. I’m pretty sure they don't cloak.

    The only known NPC ships that clock are Klingon birds of Prey not sure if other Klingon ships are meant to cloak or not.

    But I want to add the point they don't make good use of it. They either cloak too early or don't use it to escape to safe distance to heal a little or fully heal before returning to battle.
    Perhaps it’s not the Klingon way...

    For the Romulan encounters though an ability to slink away seems about right, perhaps each NPC faction with cloaking tech should make different use of the device?

    As far as I’m aware Romulan War birds and Birds of prey can cloak and possibly over ship types can two... in my second encounter with just the birds of prey and raptors none of them cloak.

    An interesting challenge would be to engage a Scimitar style ship where u would have to depend on anti- cloak powers for detection. Such as sensor scan or the random spreads in to space hoping to hit something in the hope to get a target.

    For further info see link below.

    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cloaking_device

    All Romulan ships are able to cloak and Romulan cloaking technology is presumably more advanced than Klingon cloaking tech (i.e. they can conceal much larger ships like the D'Deridex and the Scimitar, but the Klingons can't cloak the Vo'Quv) . I wouldn't worry about it if the Romulan NPCs don't cloak, just be afraid when the faction comes out :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Donatra's ship has no trouble cloaking and uncloaking. I survive the whole fight (she doesn't hit very hard) but it takes an hour and a half because of her damn cloaking.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Hi
    I've started a second character and started my first Roumlan Mission (again), it’s been awhile since I’ve engaged Romulan ships. But I don't recall them cloaking the first time (maybe in a episode sometime) and now that I’ve uncounted them again. I’m pretty sure they don't cloak.

    The only known NPC ships that clock are Klingon birds of Prey not sure if other Klingon ships are meant to cloak or not.

    But I want to add the point they don't make good use of it. They either cloak too early or don't use it to escape to safe distance to heal a little or fully heal before returning to battle.
    Perhaps it’s not the Klingon way...

    For the Romulan encounters though an ability to slink away seems about right, perhaps each NPC faction with cloaking tech should make different use of the device?

    As far as I’m aware Romulan War birds and Birds of prey can cloak and possibly over ship types can two... in my second encounter with just the birds of prey and raptors none of them cloak.

    An interesting challenge would be to engage a Scimitar style ship where u would have to depend on anti- cloak powers for detection. Such as sensor scan or the random spreads in to space hoping to hit something in the hope to get a target.

    For further info see link below.

    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cloaking_device

    Hello? Romulans invented cloaking
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    dejavuum wrote:
    Hello? Romulans invented cloaking

    Yse that's why i asked if they use cloaking in the game, so far according to the repiles so far only Donatra's ship uses a cloaking device.

    I'm at the Roumlan stage of the episodes and will be making note of any Romulan Ships that cloak. my first characte was a few months ago and didn't pay much atention to them cloaking or not.
    Alot of hostiile ships just pop into existance.

    a good example is when you see one klingon bird of prey at a distance over 10.km when u get closer there will be two more who seem to pop into existance, rather than de-cloak. often its nasty surprise when I think your going to be going one on one and then find there are more ships in the group.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Dyonas wrote: »
    The problem with using cloak scans to fire on things like the Scimitar and using torpedo spread to cover an area you suspect the ship is at is that you currently need a target to be able to fire a weapon. There's no ability to fire at a point in space.

    With regards to your cloaking question in general I've only got memories of the D'Deridex using a cloak and that seemed more like the current non-battle cloak the Klingons have.

    Thanks for replying.

    I was thinking perhaps that u could still fire your weapons with out a target (just hit the fire all weapons button)
    with narrow fire arc weapons such as cannons you would have less chance of revealing a ship, the shots would just fire out randomly for all weapons for a 2 seconds for example. then the cool down of ur weapons take affect before you try again.

    At the monent i've only started the Roumlan missions so I will post any obsevations of cloaking romulan ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    All Klingon ships can cloak but only BoP's have battle cloak. And the reason non-BoP's don't use their cloak is because (if you solo) they all fly on their own in missions, if they were cloaked it would be impossible to find them during missions. Which is why BoP's do the 1 un-cloak and 2 cloaked trick, so you can find them too.

    I assume both are true of Roumlans too. They can but don't, simply so you can find them.

    Hi i was thinking maybe if klingon or roumual ships cloacked after reciving damage they would cloak then fly to safe distance within say a 15km range. wait until their health was at a better level say 50% or 75% be before returning to the fight, this could have a cool down, so that they didn't do this evertytime,

    also people have been asking for a more diploatmic choice, (i thinkthis should be an opitonal to destory a ship or let it go)

    You could aim to scare off enemy ships of if u damage a ship to 20% and they cloak and make an escape, it won't affect the mission, it still counts as a victory if your mission is to destroy a number of enemy ships.

    I can find Klingon birds of prey ok in PVE becase there is a cool down on thier cloak in combat, so the same could be for romulans but they could use it for a few seconds longer maybe?

    I just feel there should be smarter use of the cloaking device, maybe the lengeth of time a ship cloaks for repair could be affected by the difficulty level, so a damaged ship waits until

    its 50% healed at normal
    65% at advance level
    and 80% at elite.
    just an idea ...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    They had it first in the Star Trek time line. It was traded for Warp drive tech that's how the Klingon got it. For a time Romulan used D-7s in Star Trek TOS. Watch "The Enterprise Incident " you can find on youtube.com. The Romulan D-7s show up in other remastered Star Trek TOS as well and the 70s cartoon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The problem with cloak on NPCs seems to be that you can't attack or follow them while cloaked, so it's just means a waiting time. There are still afew situations where it can work effectively, in my opinion.

    In Sensor Contact Missions, when the timer resets, instead of just disappearing or warping away, Romulan and Klingon ships could just cloak. (I think there is also some kind of reset during the SCE that sometimes uses warp animations - change this to cloak/uncloak!)

    In any situation where you encounter a Romulan or Klingon ship at the start of the mission, it could decloak. (I think that does actually happen).

    The current animations for this are flawed, though - there are some missions where you fight Ja'rod (IIRC)in his Klingon ship and he is supposed to cloak and run when he takes enough damage. Unfortunately the animation makes this a very slow process that makes me wonder why I don't keep shooting him and blowing him to pieces while he's still there!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    For now it would be nice if the groups of Romulan Bird of Preys would operate like the Klingon Birds of Prey which appear in groups of 3 with 2 cloaked at the beginning.
    Next change is it would make sense the Romulan Bird of Preys get combat cloak so they operate during battle like the Klingon BoP NPCs (once the Romulan's get a revamp which is most likely coming when they start work on the playable faction)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Sleeves wrote:
    They had it first in the Star Trek time line. It was traded for Warp drive tech that's how the Klingon got it. For a time Romulan used D-7s in Star Trek TOS. Watch "The Enterprise Incident " you can find on youtube.com. The Romulan D-7s show up in other remastered Star Trek TOS as well and the 70s cartoon.
    They traded for ships. Not warp tech. Romulans always had warp.
    (and even then the whole that it was traded for the ships is speculation)

    Anyways... Rarely if ever see the Romulans recloak after starting a fight.
    And even before its rather... Stupid.
    At a distance you see that huge target thingy saying "this and that many ship" usually 3 BoPs and when you get closer you find just 1 ship... Well geeeeeeeee...
    Kinda ruins the whole reason for a cloak. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    In Project Nightingale the I.R.W. Rea dose use cloack to escape, so that's my first instance of them cloaking

    however in comabat so far i've only enoucted birds of prey and Magai Escorts and they don't cloak. when they appear they just pop into exitance like any other ship with or without a cloak.

    so it would be better if ships without cloak devices warped in, and cloacked ships decloaked.

    example in exploartion missions when you get an engage enemy ships mission, as soon as you click on on the bridge officer/ npc report the fist ship/s blink into existance. i've noticed sometimes in these missions the ships are already there it depends on the misson type i guess.
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