test content
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc

Getting Closer...

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
Ok, first let me quote the May 01 Release Notes:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=154567

Greetings!

Update ST.1.20100420a.14
Today's update is a hotfix to address some issues in the Season 1.1 update that were released on Thursday. We are releasing this ASAP as we feel the PVP issue is critical enough to warrent a weekend update (vs waiting till next week). We've also included a few other fixes that were available and ready to go out.

Updates

* PVP missions were not tracking mission completion properly and so you were no longer getting credit for completing a match. This is fixed now.
* Space PVP Assault maps were not tracking score properly and would sometimes end after 3 points instead of the intended 30 points. This is fixed now which should make these PVP maps playable again.
* Injury Pack vendors now allows for bulk purchases. Also the word "ea" is shown after the price to be clear that the price is per item.
* We've increased the chances that you'll find more "Aid the Planet" missions in Star Clusters. It is still random and rare, but previously after completing one, there was a cooldown timer before you could get another one, and that timer has been reduced.
* We've fixed an issue where DPS and Bind stats on Mark Store tooltips was displaying crazy numbers. Those tooltips should now be based on the actual item and correct.
* Fixed an issue where you could get in a bad respec state if you attempted to rank down some skills.
* The Pakled species traits have been updated and now properly show their traits in status windows.
* Addressed an animation issue where you would sometimes "slide" if you were firing a weapon and rolling at the same time.
* Mark vendor stores had inadvertantly replaced the Anti-proton gear substore with ground gear. This has been fixed and Anti-Proton gear is now available again.
* Fixed several client crashes that were introduced in the last update.

Now, what am I getting closer to? Quitting this game, that's what. First you force death penalties on us, now you up the ante on the aid the planet missions. You guys are moving farther and farther away from what Star Trek is.

I feel like it won't be long until I cancel my subscription. I love the space combat. I love the ground combat. What is missing is the ability to interact with my crew, on my bridge. What is missing is the ability to use stealth and subterfuge and diplomacy to complete missions.

You've turned Starfleet into a rogue's gallery...a fleet of murderous dogs who are no better than the enemies they seek to thwart.

P.S. The Cryptic ship designs are horrible. Please look at ships from the movies and shows and use them as templates instead of what you're doing now.
Post edited by Unknown User on
«1

Comments

  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Force death penalty? There still isn't one if you play on normal.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Force death penalty? There still isn't one if you play on normal.
    I'm amazed people so often have no idea what they're talking about when they make these emotional rants. Even Mr. Spock would be laughing at the idea that Cryptic forced a DP on anyone. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    ThetaNine wrote:
    Ok, first let me quote the May 01 Release Notes:


    First you force death penalties on us, now you up the ante on the aid the planet missions. You guys are moving farther and farther away from what Star Trek is.

    DP is optional not forced. And aiding planets is not Star Trek? hrrrmmm
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Pikoy wrote:
    DP is optional not forced. And aiding planets is not Star Trek? hrrrmmm

    i was going to say something but you seam to have summed up my thoughts
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    ThetaNine wrote:
    P.S. The Cryptic ship designs are horrible. Please look at ships from the movies and shows and use them as templates instead of what you're doing now.
    Horrible is subjective - I find many of the series and movie designs to be horrible. I'd also point out that CBS makes the decision on whether or not a ship fits into the ST universe. Something we learned quite well from the Nomad experience. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    That's one drink for an "I quit" thread.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    Horrible is subjective - I find many of the series and movie designs to be horrible. I'd also point out that CBS makes the decision on whether or not a ship fits into the ST universe. Something we learned quite well from the Nomad experience. :)

    The only thing anyone should learn about that is Cryptic love to name drop CBS whenever they have a production delay.

    Think about it. CBS had a problem with the Nomad. Okay.
    So, Cryptic put in the Maelstrom in it's place. Err... wait, if the Maelstrom was ready and approved, why was it behind the Nomad in the schedule to be put in? Why wasn't it released before or slated for the same day?

    Oops!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    All of the above except OP-Post.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    Horrible is subjective - I find many of the series and movie designs to be horrible. I'd also point out that CBS makes the decision on whether or not a ship fits into the ST universe. Something we learned quite well from the Nomad experience. :)

    I have to agree. I find a lot of Cryptic's designs more attractive than the Big Nose era of Ships that Voyager brought us (Intrepid, Prometheus)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    did i catch that right?

    first you complain that they increase the amount that the Relief Efforts will happen?
    then you say the game is not Trek enough.

    first let me say "d'oh"

    the one thing starfleet is doing in this game that is not, i quote "Starfleet rogue's gallery" are the relief efforts, now you complain about that?

    also you are wrong from the start, they actually introduced a Cooldown Timer somewhere in the last patches and now since people WANT to try those missions again (because they upgraded them) they dont get any because of that cooldown.... they lowered that cooldown timer, that's all.
    There was none before 1.1 you still will get a lot less. No 3 Relief Efforts in a row anymore (assuming it works as intended.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The only thing anyone should learn about that is Cryptic love to name drop CBS whenever they have a production delay.

    Think about it. CBS had a problem with the Nomad. Okay.
    So, Cryptic put in the Maelstrom in it's place. Err... wait, if the Maelstrom was ready and approved, why was it behind the Nomad in the schedule to be put in? Why wasn't it released before or slated for the same day?

    Oops!

    because they were probably sent as a bundle and CBS vetoed the nomad but allowed the maelstrom "as is". The schedule was made up before any of the ships was finished and delays happen, especially when you have a few extra steps when having to get all things approved by CBS.

    I know you just didn't think hard enough :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The only thing anyone should learn about that is Cryptic love to name drop CBS whenever they have a production delay.

    Think about it. CBS had a problem with the Nomad. Okay.
    So, Cryptic put in the Maelstrom in it's place. Err... wait, if the Maelstrom was ready and approved, why was it behind the Nomad in the schedule to be put in? Why wasn't it released before or slated for the same day?

    Oops!
    I'm guessing you don't work for a company which deals with strict time scheduling. I'm sure Cryptic has many things which are done but not yet released. These items are put on a staggered schedule so-as to keep things coming out in a steady stream rather then everything in April and then nothing in May. If there were 4 ship skins in April and none in May people'd just complain about how Cryptic can't get anything out now and so must be laying off people if they can do 4 in one month and none in the next. People have short memories, which is why many industries give you a staggered schedule of release.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    because they were probably sent as a bundle and CBS vetoed the nomad but allowed the maelstrom "as is". The schedule was made up before any of the ships was finished and delays happen, especially when you have a few extra steps when having to get all things approved by CBS.

    I know you just didn't think hard enough :D

    My problem is that I think. I don't take the CBS defense at face value. You should try it some time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Force death penalty? There still isn't one if you play on normal.
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    I'm amazed people so often have no idea what they're talking about when they make these emotional rants. Even Mr. Spock would be laughing at the idea that Cryptic forced a DP on anyone. :)
    Pikoy wrote:
    DP is optional not forced. And aiding planets is not Star Trek? hrrrmmm
    i was going to say something but you seam to have summed up my thoughts
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    Horrible is subjective - I find many of the series and movie designs to be horrible. I'd also point out that CBS makes the decision on whether or not a ship fits into the ST universe. Something we learned quite well from the Nomad experience. :)
    anazonda wrote: »
    All of the above except OP-Post.
    Pliskin wrote: »
    I have to agree. I find a lot of Cryptic's designs more attractive than the Big Nose era of Ships that Voyager brought us (Intrepid, Prometheus)

    Yeah, the death penalty is forced. If you don't use it, you don't get the "good" drops.

    Yes, Aid the Planet is not Trek. Forking over a collection of parts to get a gift is not diplomacy.

    You guys might be fooled by the gimmicks, but you know what STO should stand for?

    Start Tapping Online
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Cosmic_One wrote: »
    I'm guessing you don't work for a company which deals with strict time scheduling. I'm sure Cryptic has many things which are done but not yet released. These items are put on a staggered schedule so-as to keep things coming out in a steady stream rather then everything in April and then nothing in May. If there were 4 ship skins in April and none in May people'd just complain about how Cryptic can't get anything out now and so must be laying off people if they can do 4 in one month and none in the next. People have short memories, which is why many industries give you a staggered schedule of release.

    it's rather because people would call shenanigans if cryptic would Drop 6 C-Store Ships for 6x 160 c-points at once. C-Store should not be to expensive to keep up or it does more bad for their reputation then good for their bank account.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The DP needs to be fixed. I played in a B-Tran ground mission on normal and me and my BOffs couldn't complete because after numerous respawns I realized that every Boff had at least 3 injuries and I had 6. So much for normal not giving you any injuries if you die.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
    did i catch that right?

    first you complain that they increase the amount that the Relief Efforts will happen?...

    I think he's complaining that the cost to buy the needed items went up, not the frequency of the missions.

    Not sure though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    ThetaNine wrote:
    Yeah, the death penalty is forced. If you don't use it, you don't get the "good" drops.

    Yes, Aid the Planet is not Trek. Forking over a collection of parts to get a gift is not diplomacy.


    - so you want the items we are going to NEED to beat Elite on the Brain-AFK mode?

    - Yes Aid the Planet is the most Federation thing that is in the game, and the "gift" is only a reason to not Warp Out of the instance. It still delivers that warm fuzzy feeling that you delivered 20 Entertainment Provisions to those Nerds in Need with to few Xboxes for the big Halo 250 Release next Week! (yes that actually happened, to me!)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    My problem is that I think. I don't take the CBS defense at face value. You should try it some time.

    I think your problem is that you'd rather believe in a conspiracy theory of your own devising then look at what most likely is the case. The simplest solution to the problem. You, my friend, do not think. Your paranoid that Cryptic is just trying to rip you off. The odd part is your not entitled to even get the content being developed now. if they wanted to be real jerks about it they could make a ton of content and make you go buy an expansion in a year, with no additional content in between. They don't and so your messed up logic fails.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
    it's rather because people would call shenanigans if cryptic would Drop 6 C-Store Ships for 6x 160 c-points at once. C-Store should not be to expensive to keep up or it does more bad for their reputation then good for their bank account.
    Of course. STO is a for-profit enterprise. The goal is to get material out in a reasonable amount of time - enough time to keep people from harping about getting nothing new but not too quick as to make them harp about having to spend too much money per month. All industry is like that. You have to balance anticipation and need with economic reality.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »
    - so you want the items we are going to NEED to beat Elite on the Brain-AFK mode?

    - Yes Aid the Planet is the most Federation thing that is in the game, and the "gift" is only a reason to not Warp Out of the instance. It still delivers that warm fuzzy feeling that you delivered 20 Entertainment Provisions to those Nerds in Need with to few Xboxes for the big Halo 250 Release next Week! (yes that actually happened, to me!)

    Still missing the target...like a poor marksman.

    I don't care about the drops at all. Items are meaningless. Star Trek is not about Phasers, Starships, or technology...it's about the people and the mission.

    My god if you don't know that why did you ever start playing this game in the first place? That's why I did and I keep hoping it will turn into a true representation of Trek, but the joy I see in the dev's announcements at the drivel being dished out is dashing all my hopes.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    ThetaNine wrote:
    First you force death penalties on us,

    You dont have anything forced on you because you dont have to use the difficulty slider. Lying doesnt help your argument.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I think your problem is that you'd rather believe in a conspiracy theory of your own devising then look at what most likely is the case. The simplest solution to the problem. You, my friend, do not think. Your paranoid that Cryptic is just trying to rip you off. The odd part is your not entitled to even get the content being developed now. if they wanted to be real jerks about it they could make a ton of content and make you go buy an expansion in a year, with no additional content in between. They don't and so your messed up logic fails.

    Conspiracy theory? What conspiracy? All it is, is a bunch of assumptions and a couple of lies.
    CBS being name dropped is a convenient lie to justify delays for Cryptic, and a convenient excuse for apologists.

    So a conspiracy? Nope. A conspiracy requires actual thought.
    Again, if CBS were half as stringent as Cryptic would have us believe, there would be no Klingon Joined Trills. Don't even bother debating this. It violates canon. The end.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I sense a successful troll thread getting the better of us all.......:eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    ThetaNine wrote:
    Still missing the target...like a poor marksman.

    I don't care about the drops at all. Items are meaningless. Star Trek is not about Phasers, Starships, or technology...it's about the people and the mission.

    My god if you don't know that why did you ever start playing this game in the first place? That's why I did and I keep hoping it will turn into a true representation of Trek, but the joy I see in the dev's announcements at the drivel being dished out is dashing all my hopes.
    You seem to keep changing your mind. First you say the game forces a DP on you. When you're proven wrong then you say you don't get good drops unless you use the DP. When someone calls you out on that then you say you don't really care about drops. So if you don't care about drops then you have no reason to worry about a DP.

    Now, I can agree that STO is not like most of the 726 ST episodes but certainly not all of them. It's really the "Yesterday's Enterprise" version of the universe. You remember that episode? It's the one with the Enterprise C and history getting changed. It's the one where the Federation is losing the war against the Klingons. And there's a lot of the Cardassian War darkness from DS9. And there's the Borg and Undine darkness threats from Voyager. You getting the idea here? Many of the 726 episodes of Star Trek are about some pretty dark things whether you saw them or not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Conspiracy theory? What conspiracy? All it is, is a bunch of assumptions and a couple of lies.
    CBS being name dropped is a convenient lie to justify delays for Cryptic, and a convenient excuse for apologists.

    So a conspiracy? Nope. A conspiracy requires actual thought.
    Again, if CBS were half as stringent as Cryptic would have us believe, there would be no Klingon Joined Trills. Don't even bother debating this. It violates canon. The end.

    Sounds like a pretty sad attempte at a lost mind trying to grasp reality, but seeing deceit around every corner, to me. I see some lies on your part.

    I'm sure CBS and cryptic are fully aware of the supposed canon violation. it doesn't stop anyone from making it canon. Nor is STO hard canon, so it doesn't impact the universe of ST on the whole. Go whine somewhere else.

    Now for the conspiracy part.

    What most likely happened: cryptic bundled the ships and turned them all in for approval at the same time and CBS nixed one ship (twice)

    or

    Cryptic lies to its customers because lying gets small businesses like them everywhere.

    i go with mine as most likely.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Sounds like a pretty sad attempte at a lost mind trying to grasp reality, but seeing deceit around every corner, to me. I see some lies on your part.

    Ah yes, veiled flaming when you've lost the argument.
    Concession accepted.
    I'm sure CBS and cryptic are fully aware of the supposed canon violation. it doesn't stop anyone from making it canon. Nor is STO hard canon, so it doesn't impact the universe of ST on the whole. Go whine somewhere else.

    If STO is irrelevant in canon, why have CBS oversight over minutae like details on new ship variant (not new class) designs.
    Oops, looks like you tripped on your own argument there, that must've hurt!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    What most likely happened: cryptic bundled the ships and turned them all in for approval at the same time and CBS nixed one ship (twice)

    or

    Cryptic lies to its customers because lying gets small businesses like them everywhere.

    i go with mine as most likely.

    or

    CBS is a convenient scapegoat for delays and mistakes.
    Do at least try not to be so narrow-minded.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Again, if CBS were half as stringent as Cryptic would have us believe, there would be no Klingon Joined Trills. Don't even bother debating this. It violates canon. The end.
    And yet both Jadzia and Curzon Dax spent many years among Klingons. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Conspiracy theory? What conspiracy? All it is, is a bunch of assumptions and a couple of lies.
    CBS being name dropped is a convenient lie to justify delays for Cryptic, and a convenient excuse for apologists.

    So a conspiracy? Nope. A conspiracy requires actual thought.
    Again, if CBS were half as stringent as Cryptic would have us believe, there would be no Klingon Joined Trills. Don't even bother debating this. It violates canon. The end.

    just because trill is part of the federation does not mean that individual trills cant join the klingons

    we have seen bad humans from time to time. it does not violate canon in any way

    by this logic worf violates canon for the entire run of tng, half of ds9 and 4 films
Sign In or Register to comment.