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[Possible Spoilers] Iconians

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Just filler text here so anyone hovering the link won't get any possible spoilers and be angry :rolleyes:

Anyway, let's get down to it... Iconians are shaping up to be the main enemy later on in STO, possibly they might make an appearance when we get RA5 to RA10 levelling content, but who knows?

I can't recall where exactly it was said, but they caused the Hobus supernova, right? and blamed it on the Remans or something?

and then there was talk of a "mystery ship" in a mission that people saw, I don't recall seeing it, but it could be Iconian? Anyone managed to get a screenshot of this?

Can't wait to see what they look like / their ships.

So, why would the Iconians destabilize the Romulan Star Empire like this? Well, it's obvious, of course! soften up your enemy before going in for the kill.

I think the Iconians will appear, the klingons and federation will form a new peace treaty and possibly another alliance to fight against them, the enemy of my enemy and all that. Also leaves room for a romulan alliance too when they get added as a playable faction, they're going to want to kick some Iconian TRIBBLE for the Hobus genocide.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I usually put spoilers in black text (since the forum background after the first few lines is black).

    That said:

    Yes, I reached the same conclusion. The Iconians will be involved.

    Does this mean a teleportation portal meets death globe device like Episode 11 of Season 2 (Contagion)?

    Details about the Iconians are vague - aside from being "destroyed" and that Picard had an interest. They had advanced technology but their language was hard to decipher (requiring Data to guess from his knowledge Dewan, Dinasian, and Iccobar)

    The good thing is that the developers may have freedom to come up with their own ship designs as I cannot recall iconian ships appearing in canon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I personally think that the Iconians are going to invade the Romulans by allying wiht some of them (We've already seen a small rogue faction including Romulans and Remans do this). After conquering them I'm going to assume they're going to carryon until they take out a chunk of the Klingon empire. Forcing members from both the klingons and romulans to ask the Federation for aid.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I usually put spoilers in black text (since the forum background after the first few lines is black).

    That said:

    Yes, I reached the same conclusion. The Iconians will be involved.

    Does this mean a teleportation portal meets death globe device like Episode 11 of Season 2 (Contagion)?

    Details about the Iconians are vague - aside from being "destroyed" and that Picard had an interest. They had advanced technology but their language was hard to decipher (requiring Data to guess from his knowledge Dewan, Dinasian, and Iccobar)

    The good thing is that the developers may have freedom to come up with their own ship designs as I cannot recall iconian ships appearing in canon.

    that just makes it hard for people to read, if nobody wants spoilers they simply don't click the topic since I put a spoiler tag in the topic title. if anyone comes in after that then they wanna read it.
    I personally think that the Iconians are going to invade the Romulans by allying wiht some of them (We've already seen a small rogue faction including Romulans and Remans do this). After conquering them I'm going to assume they're going to carryon until they take out a chunk of the Klingon empire. Forcing members from both the klingons and romulans to ask the Federation for aid.

    why would romulans ally with iconians? even "bad" romulans? after they pretty much tried to wipe them all out.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Intrepidox wrote: »
    that just makes it hard for people to read, if nobody wants spoilers they simply don't click the topic since I put a spoiler tag in the topic title. if anyone comes in after that then they wanna read it.

    Dude, my typography is showing. :P (quick!).

    SPOILERS!
    *******************************************************

    That said, yes, the bid bad may be puppet masters as some developers have hinted at. They may have incited the war to begin with too - defeating them might bring peace (but also require join missions - hence the joint sector block in Season 2).

    For those who don't know - the Borg storyline has the following:
    You discover an infection being propagated. (Infected)
    There's a cure you can retrieve (The Cure)
    You must get the cure to the Klingons (Khitomer Accord)

    Terradome is a seperate questline (and a good one too!)

    No word yet on Children of Khan or Hive are continuations of either set of missions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Dude, my typography is showing. :P (quick!).

    That said, yes, the bid bad maybe the puppet masters as some developers have hinted at. They may have incited the war to begin with too.

    wasn't that the Undine?

    then again i'm not actually sure, I still havn't read the Path to 2-whatever since it's not finished on the site from what i've read.

    i'm hoping someone has a picture of this mystery ship we keep hearing about, or remembers what mission it was from so I can try and do it again and see it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Intrepidox wrote: »
    wasn't that the Undine?

    then again i'm not actually sure, I still havn't read the Path to 2-whatever since it's not finished on the site from what i've read.

    i'm hoping someone has a picture of this mystery ship we keep hearing about, or remembers what mission it was from so I can try and do it again and see it.

    Gozer came out and said the Undine were not it, nor the Borg.

    Iconians are it but no one has seen them in all of Star Trek lore.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Intrepidox wrote: »
    why would romulans ally with iconians? even "bad" romulans? after they pretty much tried to wipe them all out.

    Power! Romulous was destroyed and other Romulan planets also destroyed in the hobus supernovae. As said in the 2409 timeline, The Romulan government is in shambles with the Reman independence movement and militeterization, the empire's central government destroyed, the multiple factions that are fighting for control of the empire, and then there's the Klingon invasion which has stabbed them a major, major blow. Too be honest, the Romulan Star Empire is quickly falling apart and those in power will want to stay in power.

    If the Iconians could conquor all of the empire then all the squabbling factions in it would be forced to stop. Those who helped the iconians would be placed in places of higher power (or so they think.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I think it might be something they could put into the Romulan faction missions. Obviously there are two parties vying for control of the RSE. I think it would be interesting to see if one of those factions sort of "bit off more than they can chew" with Hobus. Perhaps it was an accident. Perhaps the target wasn't in fact Romulus but another planet as sort of their "Manhattan Project" to see if it would work but it instead went horribly wrong.

    Hmm....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    forresto wrote: »
    Power! Romulous was destroyed and other Romulan planets also destroyed in the hobus supernovae. As said in the 2409 timeline, The Romulan government is in shambles with the Reman independence movement and militeterization, the empire's central government destroyed, the multiple factions that are fighting for control of the empire, and then there's the Klingon invasion which has stabbed them a major, major blow. Too be honest, the Romulan Star Empire is quickly falling apart and those in power will want to stay in power.

    If the Iconians could conquor all of the empire then all the squabbling factions in it would be forced to stop. Those who helped the iconians would be placed in places of higher power (or so they think.)

    I suppose that's a good theory, but I think it depends on the Romulans not finding out who caused the supernova, because I think if the IConians made an appearance, Romulans could just join together with the various factions in order to exact revenge, and afterwards, go back to the civil wars.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Intrepidox wrote: »
    and then there was talk of a "mystery ship" in a mission that people saw, I don't recall seeing it, but it could be Iconian? Anyone managed to get a screenshot of this?

    Can't wait to see what they look like / their ships.


    A screenshot?

    How about eleven screenshots? ---> http://picasaweb.google.com/stephen.l.johnson/StarTrekOnline#
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The Romulans thinking it was a Klingon or Federation plot would bring them into the war and...


    EXPANSION.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Um... there was a shot posted in another thread but I can't find it now.

    It shows up in the Taris mission, and especially if you're in a group it can be triggered while your ship is across the instance and it's very much a 'blink and you'll miss it' thing.

    One particular epileptic tree* that I favor is that when the Iconians fled the bombardment of their homeworld they fled this reality entirely, ending up in fluidic space and eventually becoming the Undine. The ship in "Taris" would suggest otherwise, though.

    Ex-Praetor Taris speaks of the Dread Masters, who put in motion the plan that led to the Hobus supernova and its oddly specific destruction of the Romulus system. Then in "State of Q", Q Jr. mentions that the "demons of air and darkness" are the ones responsible for the Borg being able to board the Saratoga back in time (which is why he dragged you along). "Demons of air and darkness" are a specific epithet referring to the mythical status the Iconians had among their contemporaries and in later writings.

    *Warning: TVTropes.org may be hazardous to your health, or at least all your free time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    fuzun wrote: »
    A screenshot?

    How about eleven screenshots? ---> http://picasaweb.google.com/stephen.l.johnson/StarTrekOnline#

    Hawt.
    /10char
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    heres a vid of when i encountered the Iconian ship
    http://www.wegame.com/watch/iconian-ship/
    and also this pic of Q talking about "the demons of air and darkness"
    http://www.wegame.com/view/star-trek-online-screenshot-by-ermest-2010-04-03-18-29-50/sizes/
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    ernest wrote:
    heres a vid of when i encountered the Iconian ship
    http://www.wegame.com/watch/iconian-ship/
    and also this pic of Q talking about "the demons of air and darkness"
    http://www.wegame.com/view/star-trek-online-screenshot-by-ermest-2010-04-03-18-29-50/sizes/

    I get "the video you are looking for is no longer available".. but anyway, I forgot that Q said that, Iconians are definetly these "dread masters" then :) and will be making more of an appearance later for sure :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Something else to note, Iconia used to fall within the old Federation/Romulan Neutral Zone.

    A splintering of the Romulan Empire might make it pretty easy for the Iconians to reclaim their old homeworld.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Pliskin wrote: »
    Something else to note, Iconia used to fall within the old Federation/Romulan Neutral Zone.

    A splintering of the Romulan Empire might make it pretty easy for the Iconians to reclaim their old homeworld.

    Well, the destruction of Romulus also means the Feds are the only major power left to challenge them. (Cardassia is in ruins and the Klingons won't care). The only other faction that could cause the Iconians trouble are the Undine. That would be a "prop up your feet and get some popcorn" type of fight to see.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Well, the destruction of Romulus also means the Feds are the only major power left to challenge them. (Cardassia is in ruins and the Klingons won't care). The only other faction that could cause the Iconians trouble are the Undine. That would be a "prop up your feet and get some popcorn" type of fight to see.

    what about the Borg?

    I mean, as soon as the borg assimilate a single Iconian, they have all their knowledge and technology (well, at least what that single iconian knew) but they could get their ships and such too.

    unless of course they were somehow resistant to assimilation like the Undine

    and why wouldn't the klingons care? they are always looking for some big bad enemy to fight.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Intrepidox wrote: »

    why would romulans ally with iconians? even "bad" romulans? after they pretty much tried to wipe them all out.

    Same reason Dukat allied with Pah Wraiths.

    There's evidence of cults that worship the Iconians and have been promised great personal power, even if it comes at the expense of their people.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Pliskin wrote: »
    Something else to note, Iconia used to fall within the old Federation/Romulan Neutral Zone.

    A splintering of the Romulan Empire might make it pretty easy for the Iconians to reclaim their old homeworld.

    I think that's why it was Romulans they made contact with but the supernova was designed to wipe out the entire galaxy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Same reason Dukat allied with Pah Wraiths.


    par wraith's didn't blow up Cardassia, though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Intrepidox wrote: »
    par wraith's didn't blow up Cardassia, though.

    And yet the True Way Cardassians are allied with the Jem'hadar...

    That said, it seems like the Iconian/Romulan involvement was very much a secret personal scheme of Taris (probably ongoing before the supernova) rather than a government initiative, even a secret one by the Tal'Shiar.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    You really should edit the title of the thread and the content of it some, not everyone has run the raids so not everyone has gotten the clues to the Iconians yet..
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    mavgeek wrote: »
    You really should edit the title of the thread and the content of it some, not everyone has run the raids so not everyone has gotten the clues to the Iconians yet..

    "[Possible Spoilers] Iconians "

    if that's not enough then I don't know what will be... how about:

    "WARNING SPOILERS IF YOU HAVN'T YET FOUND ANY CLUES TO THE SUPER SECRET EVIL ALIEN RACE KNOWN AS THE: OH WAIT I CAN'T TELL YOU IT MIGHT SPOIL IT"

    I mean it just doesn't work ;-;
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    fuzun wrote: »
    A screenshot?

    How about eleven screenshots? ---> http://picasaweb.google.com/stephen.l.johnson/StarTrekOnline#

    That looks like a smaller version of the Ressurection ship from BSG...

    Now there's an enemy no one would see coming. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    That looks like a smaller version of the Ressurection ship from BSG...

    Now there's an enemy no one would see coming. :)

    That would explain how we keep blowing up but respawning... *duck*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    That looks like a smaller version of the Ressurection ship from BSG...

    Now there's an enemy no one would see coming. :)

    Sulu is a Cylon
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Intrepidox wrote: »
    why would romulans ally with iconians? even "bad" romulans? after they pretty much tried to wipe them all out.
    I think a better question would be why would the Iconians ally with... well, anyone?

    I mean, if they come back from vacationing in their alternate reality to take whatever worlds they want back, they'd in all likelihood just say, "Oh look. There's some sort of mess on our rocks now. Oh well, let's just dust it off then. There we go, all clean", and be done with it.

    Also, that Iconian ship reminds me of the big bad guys in Mass Effect.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Yeah, the Iconians blew up Hobus then the Remans built a super secret base in the hobus system that builds the exact thing that you needed to cause Hobus, right.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    mavgeek wrote: »
    You really should edit the title of the thread and the content of it some, not everyone has run the raids so not everyone has gotten the clues to the Iconians yet..

    The clues are far more blatant in individual story arc missions (Taris and Q missions to be exact). So I dunno, anyone at RA5 should have nothing spoiled.

    And that's a lot of people on here.
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