"Azlesa Expanse mission - Tribble Hunt - my BG1 Orion Captain beamed down to a station to destroy some Tribble Colonies. When I was picking my away team, I noticed a Bridge Officer named 'Bekk' with no Skills listed. I didn't recognize the name but I just got a couple of new BOs earlier today and thought maybe I'd forgotten this one's name. When I got into the mission, 'Bekk' turned out to be a male Orion with NO BRIDGE OFFICER SKILLS, -40, and NOT a member of my crew. So, um - where did he come from?"
Just curious but something occurred to me the other day.
Is one of the reasons the Federation ranks stop at Rear Admiral instead of Captain because other factions typically go up higher in terms of rank structure?
I mean, I have to say that I agree with the people who find it weird that the ranks go beyond Captain, Federation side, since Kirk is one of the few active, adventuring Admirals we see in Trek.
But looking at the game from a multi-faction perspective, the corresponding ranks seem to skew differently. We see many Klingon Generals who are active adventurers. Likewise, we see Cardassian Legates. Likewise, Dominion crews go beyond "First" (the "Captain") to include Vorta and/or Changeling commanders. Kira is a Colonel (the Captain equivalent) and was second in command aboard DS9.
The Federation rank structure is actually somewhat odd in that the Captain rank is treated as a prestigious rank of command when its equivalents elsewhere seem more like First Officers or low grade, less important ship commanders.
Just curious but something occurred to me the other day.
Is one of the reasons the Federation ranks stop at Rear Admiral instead of Captain because other factions typically go up higher in terms of rank structure?
I mean, I have to say that I agree with the people who find it weird that the ranks go beyond Captain, Federation side, since Kirk is one of the few active, adventuring Admirals we see in Trek.
But looking at the game from a multi-faction perspective, the corresponding ranks seem to skew differently. We see many Klingon Generals who are active adventurers. Likewise, we see Cardassian Legates. Likewise, Dominion crews go beyond "First" (the "Captain") to include Vorta and/or Changeling commanders. Kira is a Colonel (the Captain equivalent) and was second in command aboard DS9.
The Federation rank structure is actually somewhat odd in that the Captain rank is treated as a prestigious rank of command when its equivalents elsewhere seem more like First Officers or low grade, less important ship commanders.
/sound the alram...sound the alram...red alert...red alert.....
we have someone attempting to make semse on the forums....deck 12A, room 64, desk 2.
security to that location at once...
detanin and kill if need be.
muzzle the intruder if you dont kill him and get him to the brig at once....
An interesting link, sir.
Any insight into why the Klingon ranks in STO are different?
Or maybe if/when we might see it changed to be more like the ranks in ST?
Kira is a Colonel (the Captain equivalent) and was second in command aboard DS9.
In early 2374, Kira Nerys was promoted to Colonel in the Bajoran Militia, and was later given a Starfleet commission at the rank of Commander, in order to help train Damar's rebellion (due to her experience in a leadership role as a resistance cell leader during the Cardassian Occupation.)
It isn't until Bajor joined the Federation (during the first set of DS9 novels after the TV series ended) that she is given the rank of Captain.
In early 2374, Kira Nerys was promoted to Colonel in the Bajoran Militia, and was later given a Starfleet commission at the rank of Commander, in order to help train Damar's rebellion (due to her experience in a leadership role as a resistance cell leader during the Cardassian Occupation.)
It isn't until Bajor joined the Federation (during the first set of DS9 novels after the TV series ended) that she is given the rank of Captain.
I'm saying that Starfleet Commanders are generally on par with what a "Captain" (or equivalent) would be in other factions whereas Generals/Legates/Admirals in other factions are on par with a Starfleet Captain. In designing a multi-faction game, you have to account for that and so if you're looking to make General/Legate/Admiral etc. the max rank in other factions, you have to either have a disparity between what factions consider their "Admiral" equivalent rank or you adjust Starfleet to be in line with everyone else, which is what they did.
I mean, a Gul is the equivalent of a Captain but is generally far less important than a Starfleet Captain, who is more on par with a Legate. (Dukat was an exception but you have to remember he was demoted back down to Gul.)
Captains are nobodies outside the Federation. A Starfleet Captain's enemies are on that Admiral tier, generally. I'm suggesting that may be why we max out at Admiral rather than Captain. In a show, it may seem dramatic for Captains to square off against other factions' Admirals but if you're basing the design around shared content, everyone has to max out at a comparable rank. Hence Admirals.
I'm guessing so. My main computer recently died on me (so I can't get into the game to check), but I remember that even my (Fed) bridge officers show up as -44 to my RA5. I'm thinking it's the same thing, maybe? (Again, can't really log in to confirm if this is the case. Hopefully, someone who can, will.)
Just curious but something occurred to me the other day.
Is one of the reasons the Federation ranks stop at Rear Admiral instead of Captain because other factions typically go up higher in terms of rank structure?
I mean, I have to say that I agree with the people who find it weird that the ranks go beyond Captain, Federation side, since Kirk is one of the few active, adventuring Admirals we see in Trek.
But looking at the game from a multi-faction perspective, the corresponding ranks seem to skew differently. We see many Klingon Generals who are active adventurers. Likewise, we see Cardassian Legates. Likewise, Dominion crews go beyond "First" (the "Captain") to include Vorta and/or Changeling commanders. Kira is a Colonel (the Captain equivalent) and was second in command aboard DS9.
The Federation rank structure is actually somewhat odd in that the Captain rank is treated as a prestigious rank of command when its equivalents elsewhere seem more like First Officers or low grade, less important ship commanders.
Ive always wonder this to why can we make it half way through rear admiral just stop it at captain and from thier maybe add in higher rank captains everyone being a rear admiral is stupid.
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Evidently so. Next mission, I had the option of taking a whole team of 'Bekks'.
Just curious but something occurred to me the other day.
Is one of the reasons the Federation ranks stop at Rear Admiral instead of Captain because other factions typically go up higher in terms of rank structure?
I mean, I have to say that I agree with the people who find it weird that the ranks go beyond Captain, Federation side, since Kirk is one of the few active, adventuring Admirals we see in Trek.
But looking at the game from a multi-faction perspective, the corresponding ranks seem to skew differently. We see many Klingon Generals who are active adventurers. Likewise, we see Cardassian Legates. Likewise, Dominion crews go beyond "First" (the "Captain") to include Vorta and/or Changeling commanders. Kira is a Colonel (the Captain equivalent) and was second in command aboard DS9.
The Federation rank structure is actually somewhat odd in that the Captain rank is treated as a prestigious rank of command when its equivalents elsewhere seem more like First Officers or low grade, less important ship commanders.
/sound the alram...sound the alram...red alert...red alert.....
we have someone attempting to make semse on the forums....deck 12A, room 64, desk 2.
security to that location at once...
detanin and kill if need be.
muzzle the intruder if you dont kill him and get him to the brig at once....
:eek:
An interesting link, sir.
Any insight into why the Klingon ranks in STO are different?
Or maybe if/when we might see it changed to be more like the ranks in ST?
In early 2374, Kira Nerys was promoted to Colonel in the Bajoran Militia, and was later given a Starfleet commission at the rank of Commander, in order to help train Damar's rebellion (due to her experience in a leadership role as a resistance cell leader during the Cardassian Occupation.)
It isn't until Bajor joined the Federation (during the first set of DS9 novels after the TV series ended) that she is given the rank of Captain.
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I'm not sure how that contradicts what I said.
I'm saying that Starfleet Commanders are generally on par with what a "Captain" (or equivalent) would be in other factions whereas Generals/Legates/Admirals in other factions are on par with a Starfleet Captain. In designing a multi-faction game, you have to account for that and so if you're looking to make General/Legate/Admiral etc. the max rank in other factions, you have to either have a disparity between what factions consider their "Admiral" equivalent rank or you adjust Starfleet to be in line with everyone else, which is what they did.
I mean, a Gul is the equivalent of a Captain but is generally far less important than a Starfleet Captain, who is more on par with a Legate. (Dukat was an exception but you have to remember he was demoted back down to Gul.)
Captains are nobodies outside the Federation. A Starfleet Captain's enemies are on that Admiral tier, generally. I'm suggesting that may be why we max out at Admiral rather than Captain. In a show, it may seem dramatic for Captains to square off against other factions' Admirals but if you're basing the design around shared content, everyone has to max out at a comparable rank. Hence Admirals.
Are they supposed to be -40 to a BG1?
I'm guessing so. My main computer recently died on me (so I can't get into the game to check), but I remember that even my (Fed) bridge officers show up as -44 to my RA5. I'm thinking it's the same thing, maybe? (Again, can't really log in to confirm if this is the case. Hopefully, someone who can, will.)
Ive always wonder this to why can we make it half way through rear admiral just stop it at captain and from thier maybe add in higher rank captains everyone being a rear admiral is stupid.