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Star Trek Online - Fan Art competition

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can we have one? Would Cryptic support one, with maybe a monthly prize for fan created art related to the game judged by the art team?

I'd like this.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I agree, this would be a cool thing for them to do.



    (I would get my stomped as I am not a artist but I would give it a try anyway.):)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    AtomicFB wrote:
    I agree, this would be a cool thing for them to do.



    (I would get my stomped as I am not a artist but I would give it a try anyway.):)

    I'm not suggesting it is based upon raw talent. I'll murder you all, muwahahaha.

    But just some fan art for the team to look at and say "yeah, he's creating his vision" and pop a few points in the bank or something.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    AtomicFB wrote:
    I agree, this would be a cool thing for them to do.



    (I would get my stomped as I am not a artist but I would give it a try anyway.):)

    they could always have a screenshot page...one ffrom the players for those of us who lack the epic art skills.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I seem to remember a contest they held a while back where people drew comics, and then they let the community vote for the winner. The problem was one of the ones selected wound up being traced, which threw all of the results off since it really shouldnt have qualified to be voted on in the first place.

    On another occasion, they held a contest where they allowed someone to write a bio for an alien species, and there were specific rules about how many words it could be. Then they selected a winner than went over the set amount of words. For some crazy reason, Cryptic has botched up their previous contests pretty badly.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    they could always have a screenshot page...one ffrom the players for those of us who lack the epic art skills.

    nooo, I mean fan art, so we can draw a bit. i'm not that good, but I give it a go ;)

    http://zootcadillac.deviantart.com/art/Mr-Spock-81072352
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    nooo, I mean fan art, so we can draw a bit. i'm not that good, but I give it a go ;)

    http://zootcadillac.deviantart.com/art/Mr-Spock-81072352

    Did I ever mention, I really don't like you. :p




    (j/k Good job.:))
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I seem to remember a contest they held a while back where people drew comics, and then they let the community vote for the winner. The problem was one of the ones selected wound up being traced, which through all of the results off since it really shouldnt have qualified to be voted on in the first place.

    Tracing is a valid art form. It depends what you are tracing and what you produce. Direct copying of another's work is not acceptable, but tracing always is. I use it myself as a tool to draw. ( I have to for my woodwork templates )
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Tracing is a valid art form. It depends what you are tracing and what you produce. Direct copying of another's work is not acceptable, but tracing always is. I use it myself as a tool to draw. ( I have to for my woodwork templates )

    Its fine that you feel that way, however many people felt differently and it caused quite a controversy which marred the entire contest.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Its fine that you feel that way, however many people felt differently and it caused quite a controversy which marred the entire contest.


    As I said, it depends upon what you trace from and what you produce. Direct reproduction of someone else's work is a far cry from tracing a figure to get perspective.


    I traced this ( with permission ) from a pen drawing of a friend, but what i produced was far from the original.

    http://zootcadillac.deviantart.com/art/Deviant-58076266
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    As I said, it depends upon what you trace from and what you produce.

    And thats your opinion, and that is fine. However, I can guarantee you there will be others that do not share it, which will create controversy if a picture that was traced wins any competition that would be held just like it did in the previous competition I mentioned. Just so we're clear, I'm not taking sides on the issue, simply telling you what happened before and what would happen again in a similar situation.That is probably why Cryptic has not held any art contests since.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    And thats your opinion, and that is fine. However, I can guarantee you there will be others that do not share it, which will create controversy if a picture that was traced wins any competition that would be held just like it did in the previous competition I mentioned. That is probably why Cryptic has not held any since.

    so you are saying that if a person traces a figure from a photograph to create a drawing then it's not valid? You had better get onto universities to tell them to rescind all art degrees.

    we do it all the time. it's no different than copying from life. That's how portraits have been painted since the camera was invented.

    http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/47549/1243177872/Dayleywip75percentsize.jpg ( work in progress )
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I seem to remember a contest they held a while back where people drew comics, and then they let the community vote for the winner. The problem was one of the ones selected wound up being traced, which threw all of the results off since it really shouldnt have qualified to be voted on in the first place.

    On another occasion, they held a contest where they allowed someone to write a bio for an alien species, and there were specific rules about how many words it could be. Then they selected a winner than went over the set amount of words. For some crazy reason, Cryptic has botched up their previous contests pretty badly.

    I never saw the results on the Alien species bio...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    so you are saying that if a person traces a figure from a photograph to create a drawing then it's not valid?

    I edited my post while you were typing your reply, so please read the last two sentences for the answer to your question.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I edited my post while you were typing your reply, so please read the last two sentences for the answer to your question.

    Hey that's cool. I'm just trying to show you that tracing is a valid art tool. But copying someone else's work is not. There is a huge difference. As an artist I hate to see 'tracing' invalidated. It can save a painter a day's work when working on a portrait and you need a sketch base.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    so you are saying that if a person traces a figure from a photograph to create a drawing then it's not valid? You had better get onto universities to tell them to rescind all art degrees.

    we do it all the time. it's no different that copying from life. That's how portraits have been painted since the camera was invented.

    http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/47549/1243177872/Dayleywip75percentsize.jpg ( work in progress )

    The issue might be if it was traced from an existing comic. Nick, the son of Gene Simmons (from KISS), had some controversy over this. There was an X-Men comic Marvel did which photoshopped Magneto from the King of Spain. Referencing is cool. Some folks skirt the edge of plagiarism and libel when they do it wrong.

    Laws also differ by nation.

    You're a UK native, right? So sweat of the brow doesn't constitute a new work there. (It does in the States.) So, for example, an imperfect attempt to copy the Mona Lisa might have less protections/rights there than it would in the States. Your judges might say "The Mona Lisa is Public Domain; that's not a new work." US Courts would rule differently since we're more protective of editorial content, probably to a fault.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The issue might be if it was traced from an existing comic. Nick, the son of Gene Simmons (from KISS), had some controversy over this. There was an X-Men comic Marvel did which photoshopped Magneto from the King of Spain. Referencing is cool. Some folks skirt the edge of plagiarism and libel when they do it wrong.

    Laws also differ by nation.

    You're a UK native, right? So sweat of the brow doesn't constitute a new work there. (It does in the States.) So, for example, an imperfect attempt to copy the Mona Lisa might have less protections/rights there than it would in the States. Your judges might say "The Mona Lisa is Public Domain; that's not a new work." US Courts would rule differently since we're more protective of editorial content, probably to a fault.

    hey ;) I was defending the use if tracing as an art tool. Artists do it all the time. I have no frame of reference for the work in question so it's hard to comment. As I said copying directly, someone else's work will be considered plagiarism but as none of that was mentioned in the earlier posts I defended tracing, which is not copying, as you can see from my work.


    And the mona lisa is well out of copyright, but that's another story ;)

    UK copyright is about the most stringent on the planet. US is pretty lax. Your allowance of parody pretty much makes a mockery of copyright in art.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    hey ;) I was defending the use if tracing as an art tool. Artists do it all the time. I have no frame of reference for the work in question so it's hard to comment. As I said copying directly, someone else's work will be considered plagiarism but as none of that was mentioned in the earlier posts I defended tracing, which is not copying, as you can see from my work.


    And the mona lisa is well out of copyright, but that's another story ;)

    Right. Believe it or not, it does vary by country whether a photo of the Mona Lisa is in the Public Domain.

    There was a postcard made from a photo of the Mona Lisa. There was no disagreement that the painting itself was public domain but different countries have different stances on whether the photo of the painting was public domain and, if it was, why it was.

    The dispute arising from someone making copies of a postcard they got at a museum.

    I believe both the US and UK supported the person making copies of the postcard over the museum/photographer but for wildly different reasons.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Just for the sake of this discussion, the picture that was traced was actually a screenshot of a scene from Nemesis(I believe) of Picard sitting at a desk. The person who traced it used that picture in their comic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Right. Believe it or not, it does vary by country whether a photo of the Mona Lisa is in the Public Domain.

    There was a postcard made from a photo of the Mona Lisa. There was no disagreement that the painting itself was public domain but different countries have different stances on whether the photo of the painting was public domain and, if it was, why it was.

    The dispute arising from someone making copies of a postcard they got at a museum.

    I believe both the US and UK supported the person making copies of the postcard over the museum/photographer but for wildly different reasons.


    I know copyright inside out. I've sued and been sued to death ;)

    A photograph of an artwork is copyright and the intellectual property of the author. Reproductions without permission are infringement ( but it's all civil, there are no federal ( or illegal in the UK ) laws to cover it.)
    I can paint the last supper tomorrow. You may not produce postcards of it ever, without my permission. On any western country.

    As for the museum? Well the postcard in itself is a property recognised as the museum's you can't copy it whatever is on the front. The property remains the intellectual and actual property of the artist or photographer that produced the image.

    Anyway.

    I'm sorry I brought it up. I thought it would be a nice community builder to have an art competition where I could advise and help people. ( I teach digital art to adults with learning difficulties as part of a community course for these folk's )
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Just for the sake of this discussion, the picture that was traced was actually a screenshot of a scene from Nemesis(I believe) of Picard sitting at a desk. The person who traced it used that picture in their comic.

    I referenced this from a photo of Christopher Walken. Am I the devil?

    http://zootcadillac.deviantart.com/art/Chrisopher-Walken-57993228

    taking an image from the film, to use elsewhere, if the final artwork is not a direct reproduction, is a perfectly valid art form and certainly more valid that some vapid idiot displaying a TRIBBLE in a bed. And that, I am quite qualified to make a judgement upon.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
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    I'm sorry I brought it up. I thought it would be a nice community builder to have an art competition where I could advise and help people. ( I teach digital art to adults with learning difficulties as part of a community course for these folk's )

    I actually think it's a fine idea, one of the best I've seen on the forums and a hurdle many MMO companies have gotten around. You just need the right disclaimers and liability limits for Atari.

    And to get the ball rolling, I'd suggest having a contest to artistically recreate a screenshot from the game.

    You supply the screenshot as the source. You can recreate in any medium. You can use photoshop to enhance it. You can do an oil painting or a cake or a diarama but what you're submitting is the 2D photograph of it. You can trace the screenshot as a comic book.

    It becomes easier when replicating a screenshot or using it as inspiration because Cryptic has promotional rights to all the source assets then. And the community gets a nice "before and after".

    I'd suggest playing it off in conjunction with Data's paintings in TNG. Maybe the winners' works get included in-game, either as loading screens or paintings on the wall of starbases, ready rooms, etc.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I referenced this from a photo of Christopher Walken. Am I the devil?

    http://zootcadillac.deviantart.com/art/Chrisopher-Walken-57993228

    taking an image from the film, to use elsewhere, if the final artwork is not a direct reproduction, is a perfectly valid art form and certainly more valid that some vapid idiot displaying a TRIBBLE in a bed. And that, I am quite qualified to make a judgement upon.

    You ever see that guy who did the "Walken building Optimus Prime" art? He does lots of fun/satirical pop culture pieces like Harrison Ford playing Sega, Batman teaming up with the Law & Order cast, etc. Very surreal but fun.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    You ever see that guy who did the "Walken building Optimus Prime" art? He does lots of fun/satirical pop culture pieces like Harrison Ford playing Sega, Batman teaming up with the Law & Order cast, etc. Very surreal but fun.

    Yeah, Brandon Bird. Somebody I admire. :)

    http://www.brandonbird.com/lazysunday.html

    also not one of you has said " ya know Zoot? For an argumentative old ******* you are not half bad" So meh!


    ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    to make this argument a thing of the past i recommend the contest be divided, offering 2 prizes -

    1 for *fine art* and 1 for *graphic art & design*.

    that way true fine artists do not compete with true graphic artists. notice - they're all *true ... artists*.

    you gotta make it an apples-apples comparison - not apples-oranges.

    everyone's a critic eh? play nice or prepare to die!! :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    erock6669 wrote: »
    to make this argument a thing of the past i recommend the contest be divided, offering 2 prizes -

    1 for *fine art* and 1 for *graphic art & design*.

    that way true fine artists do not compete with true graphic artists. notice - they're all *true ... artists*.

    you gotta make it an apples-apples comparison - not apples-oranges.

    everyone's a critic eh? play nice or prepare to die!! :cool:


    I was not even thinking of entering myself. Just offering it up as a bit of a community builder.

    I'd be happy to help and write tutorials.


    Good beard sir. Mine is around that state right now :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I was not even thinking of entering myself. Just offering it up as a bit of a community builder.

    I'd be happy to help and write tutorials.


    Good beard sir. Mine is around that state right now :)

    your art - sir - is crafty and your graphics - buddy - are fine. spank these critics - enter your work in BOTH DIVISIONS!

    i shave 3 times annually - i recently indulged in a shave. i think the more weed i smoke the faster it grows!! if you'll excuse me - time for my *folical stimulation* therapy... :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm going to bed now, art haters.

    Bring it up for the devs Monday eh?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    bumped to see if there is any interest from the Europeans.
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