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Considering that we will be playing and/or being able to play up to 400 days, do we get the titles and the rewards now? Or do we get the max rewards at 400 days too?

There hasnt been any talk about what Lifers get out of this besides loosing exclusivity to the Captains Table (lol who cares I can drink a cold one at DS9 as well as the Captains Table)?

Would also suggest maybe forum titles that can be used along with the Veterans rewards.

Good job on that though. Its needed. Subs need lovin too. :)
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    That's a good question. I'm assuming we have to wait the 400 days to get those bonuses, which doesn't make sense since we are lifers, but it is probably to keep things fair.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    attilio wrote: »
    That's a good question. I'm assuming we have to wait the 400 days to get those bonuses, which doesn't make sense since we are lifers, but it is probably to keep things fair.

    People who buy bulk gametime won't get them until the end of that period either, most likely.

    It's based on length of time you've had an active account.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Lifetime members are guarenteed to get access to ALL vet rewards, but this is simply because they'll always have an active subscription. These rewards will be granted just like for anyone else, when your subscription has been active long enough to unlock them.

    In other words, Lifetimers will get their first batch of Vet Rewards when their account has been active for a total of 100 days.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Phoxe wrote:
    Lifetime members are guarenteed to get access to ALL vet rewards, but this is simply because they'll always have an active subscription. These rewards will be granted just like for anyone else, when your subscription has been active long enough to unlock them.

    In other words, Lifetimers will get their first batch of Vet Rewards when their account has been active for a total of 100 days.

    I think what some Lifetime players are wondering is ..

    Since Captain's Table is being turned into a Vet Reward, instead of being exclusive to LTS people as stated on Cryptics web site, what is Cryptic going to replace the Lifetime perk of Captain's Table with when we hit 400 days, especially now since it is a Vet Reward on the Captain's Table?

    I mean, I am all for everyone coming into the Captain's table at 400 days, however some community members (not counting myself) feel a bit jaded that an exclusive item

    http://www.startrekonline.com/node/1401
    Special note to our lifetime subscribers: Some lifetime perks are now available! Read on to learn what's ready and how to get it.

    The following perks are ready for you to enjoy immediately:
    • The Captain's Table - A special area exclusive to lifetime subscribers.

    and now the Captain's Table is going to be

    http://www.startrekonline.com/veteran_rewards
    400 Days
    • Valiant Title.
    • FREE Full Respec.
    • FREE Access to The Captain’s Table.
    • FREE Vanity Ship – Captain’s Yacht.
    • A 5% Captain and Officer Skill Point Boost up to Lieutenant Commander 6.

    Since the Exclusivity of the Captain's Table is being removed after 400 days of the game being Live, what is going to replace the Captain's Table as Exclusive for LTS customers?

    As I stated, I'm not really concerned about it, but I have seen many concerns online over this, so I thought I would ask.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Phoxe wrote:
    Lifetime members are guarenteed to get access to ALL vet rewards, but this is simply because they'll always have an active subscription. These rewards will be granted just like for anyone else, when your subscription has been active long enough to unlock them.

    In other words, Lifetimers will get their first batch of Vet Rewards when their account has been active for a total of 100 days.

    Thank you so much. Answered my question right away.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010



    Since the Exclusivity of the Captain's Table is being removed after 400 days of the game being Live, what is going to replace the Captain's Table as Exclusive for LTS customers?

    As I stated, I'm not really concerned about it, but I have seen many concerns online over this, so I thought I would ask.

    I hope these people just let is go and don't make to much a fuss over this. The captains table is a nice looking place but it mostly a ghost town. Allowing vets in would only be a good thing.

    Only thing I feel they should never release to vets or other new lifers is the playable liberated Borg. And not because I want to look special. I just feel that having to many liberated Borgs running around would look terrible. But if they did decide to do give away the liberated Borg I am not going to stress over it.

    As for all the other perks. I have no problem with giving them away.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Pikoy wrote:
    I hope these people just let is go and don't make to much a fuss over this. The captains table is a nice looking place but it mostly a ghost town. Allowing vets in would only be a good thing.

    Only thing I feel they should never release to vets or other new lifers is the playable liberated Borg. And not because I want to look special. I just feel that having to many liberated Borgs running around would look terrible. But if they did decide to do give away the liberated Borg I am not going to stress over it.

    As for all the other perks. I have no problem with giving them away.

    I'm a monthly and I agree with you. The liberated Borg was the thankyou to those of you who signed up before the release day. To many would look stupid (its bad enough as it is *lol*.

    I hope thats one exclusive item you guys get to keep as an exclusive!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Phoxe wrote:
    Lifetime members are guarenteed to get access to ALL vet rewards, but this is simply because they'll always have an active subscription. These rewards will be granted just like for anyone else, when your subscription has been active long enough to unlock them.

    In other words, Lifetimers will get their first batch of Vet Rewards when their account has been active for a total of 100 days.


    Don't they let you go home? Do you have a quota to fulfil ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Pikoy wrote:
    I hope these people just let is go and don't make to much a fuss over this. The captains table is a nice looking place but it mostly a ghost town. Allowing vets in would only be a good thing.

    Only thing I feel they should never release to vets or other new lifers is the playable liberated Borg. And not because I want to look special. I just feel that having to many liberated Borgs running around would look terrible. But if they did decide to do give away the liberated Borg I am not going to stress over it.

    As for all the other perks. I have no problem with giving them away.

    I have to agree. I think it would be nice to see more people in the Captain's Table. I also don't think it needs to be "replaced" with a different perk. It is time we started bringing this community closer together.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    darksith wrote:
    I have to agree. I think it would be nice to see more people in the Captain's Table. I also don't think it needs to be "replaced" with a different perk. It is time we started bringing this community closer together.

    I agree as well. I'd like to see more of a reason to go to the CT and a higher population would indeed help.

    Moving it away from Sol and Qo'nos would help as well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I mean, I am all for everyone coming into the Captain's table at 400 days, however some community members (not counting myself) feel a bit jaded that an exclusive item


    As I stated, I'm not really concerned about it, but I have seen many concerns online over this, so I thought I would ask.

    If by some community members and many concerns you mean the ramblings of one madman (Imperius) then you are correct. Most of the lifetime subbers, including myself, either don't care or welcome the veteran status of the Captain's Table.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    As far as I'm concerned, they could put all the pre-order, early LTS and CE items in the C-store or give them as vet rewards.

    Just give me access to mirror universe uniforms, dangit....


    I thought that offering those uniforms for purchasing a lifetime sub to a different game was weaksauce.



    as for the vet rewards offered:

    Stalwart Title. I don't need another title (Have more than I can use, now)

    FREE Full Respec. I don't need another respec

    Veteran badge. Badges, we don't need anymore stinking badges

    Skill Point Boost up to Lt Cmdr6. Does me no good whatsoever



    Now, I don't complain much about the game, and it is bad form to complain about free gifts, but....

    That stuff is utterly useless to me. Only three items in the whole veteran rewards list actually sound worth having:

    At 200 days the extra ship slot
    At 300 days an extra character slot
    At 400 days the Captain's Yacht.

    Sorry if I sound petty, but meh... just meh...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I think what some Lifetime players are wondering is ..

    Since Captain's Table is being turned into a Vet Reward, instead of being exclusive to LTS people as stated on Cryptics web site, what is Cryptic going to replace the Lifetime perk of Captain's Table with when we hit 400 days, especially now since it is a Vet Reward on the Captain's Table?

    I mean, I am all for everyone coming into the Captain's table at 400 days, however some community members (not counting myself) feel a bit jaded that an exclusive item

    http://www.startrekonline.com/node/1401



    and now the Captain's Table is going to be

    http://www.startrekonline.com/veteran_rewards



    Since the Exclusivity of the Captain's Table is being removed after 400 days of the game being Live, what is going to replace the Captain's Table as Exclusive for LTS customers?

    As I stated, I'm not really concerned about it, but I have seen many concerns online over this, so I thought I would ask.

    400 days is a year and 1 month or so. So it'll be a long time before it'll be rewarded. Anyway I'd welcome more people into the table.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Pikoy wrote:
    I hope these people just let is go and don't make to much a fuss over this. The captains table is a nice looking place but it mostly a ghost town. Allowing vets in would only be a good thing.

    Only thing I feel they should never release to vets or other new lifers is the playable liberated Borg. And not because I want to look special. I just feel that having to many liberated Borgs running around would look terrible. But if they did decide to do give away the liberated Borg I am not going to stress over it.

    As for all the other perks. I have no problem with giving them away.
    My thoughts exactly, no one likes an empty bar.

    Why not give lifetimers access to all bonus costumes as reward for our trust?
    I know it's selfish but I love having a large wardrobe. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Phoxe wrote:
    Lifetime members are guarenteed to get access to ALL vet rewards, but this is simply because they'll always have an active subscription. These rewards will be granted just like for anyone else, when your subscription has been active long enough to unlock them.

    In other words, Lifetimers will get their first batch of Vet Rewards when their account has been active for a total of 100 days.

    How can we earn something we already have? How can we gain access to something we already have? As stands, Lifetime Sub rewards are less than Monthly Subscriber rewards (we'll actually gain access to less - I know, it's a semantics argument.) Since everyone keeps picking on the Cap's Table, let's use that as an example:

    Lifetime Rewards:
    Day 1 - Access to Cap's Table
    Day 100 - Access to Vet Rewards
    ...
    Day 400 - Access to More Vet Rewards

    Monthly Subscriber (Veteran) Reward
    ...
    Day 100 - Access to Vet Rewards
    ...
    Day 400 - Access to Cap's Table
    Day 400 - Access to More Vet Rewards



    Day 401 - Lifetime Subscriber Rewards = Monthly Subscriber Rewards

    At least that's how it adds up now unless you guys actually do have stuff in the works you're not telling us about.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The problem with the Captain's Table is its position as an anomaly right outside starport/quo'nos. If it was moved farther away or perhaps accessed via a click-power it might get more use since players would be able to use it for between-mission trading, selling, etc if they're far from Sol/Quo'nos and don't have their transwarp recharged.

    As for the exclusivity of the Captain's Table, I think it was just bad wording on the part of Cryptic. It was indeed exclusive to Lifers and it will continue to be so for a little over a year when the Vets catch up and gain access to it. So they didn't exactly make a false statement, it just isn't going to be an exclusive area in perpetuity.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    If lifetime accounts are always going to be treated as 'active' then wouldnt it be logical to just give lifetime accounts the vet awards now hmmm ?

    The vet rewards for Monthly subscribers gives them incentive to stick around and a reward but lifers have made the commitment to stick around financially for 1 - 2 years so how about just giving them the rewards that would be granted in that time period ?

    Although its obvious it wont happen because Cryptic wont even have made these new items up.

    I'm not bothered about people getting the CT, I never go there because the place is worthless and the rest of these Vet rewards are trivial.

    New Uniform... We have dozens already
    New Title... We have dozens already
    New Badge... We have dozens already

    New Character slot - Fair enough
    Free Respec - Fair enough


    Personnally, I would much rather see the reward days come down. Monthly rewards would be more sensible.

    I.E
    30 Days - Free Respec

    60 Days - Free Respec

    90 Days - Free Respec

    120 Days - Free Respec

    150 Days - Free Respec

    Free respec every month as a general reward.
    Throw in the special items every so often like the CT, Vanity stuff and the like.

    Alternatively, throw in pre-order items for increased incentive. 1 pre-order item every 2 months etc.


    Regardless, the amount of whining that will occur and Cryptic's selfish desire to restrict giving away stuff they can CHARGE for will make any of this irrelevant.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I am lifetime and wanted to know where we can see how many days we have to account?

    When can we get these rewards?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I think what some Lifetime players are wondering is ..

    Since Captain's Table is being turned into a Vet Reward, instead of being exclusive to LTS people as stated on Cryptics web site, what is Cryptic going to replace the Lifetime perk of Captain's Table with when we hit 400 days, especially now since it is a Vet Reward on the Captain's Table?

    I mean, I am all for everyone coming into the Captain's table at 400 days, however some community members (not counting myself) feel a bit jaded that an exclusive item

    There was no mention that the "exclusivity" of the Captain's Table would be in affect for a lifetime. Then to expect something else in exchange for soemthing that you got for free is kind of childish in my mind.

    Prelaunch Lifers received a number of perks already:

    $240.00 subscription price ($50 cheaper than it is now)
    Liberated Borg Player race
    2 extra character slots
    Blue Name tags
    Captains Table access from day one
    Career Officer Title in game
    Special uniform items

    Plus there are probably a few things I'm missing...and on top of that you will receive all of the Veteran's Rewards...and you can still find a whine in all of this??
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    i would still reward lifers with cool items now and then, maybe new costume pieces that they can use but just open them up to veterans somewhere down the line

    so lifers always get the cool stuff first but the veterans will eventually be able to get it
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I'm a monthly and I agree with you. The liberated Borg was the thankyou to those of you who signed up before the release day. To many would look stupid (its bad enough as it is *lol*.

    I hope thats one exclusive item you guys get to keep as an exclusive!

    For RP reasons i completely agre with you. However I think all the people running around in Funkadelic Armor and pieces of equipment strapped to their bodies looks pretty stupid also. Sometimes i feel like im playing some up grade to "That Sci Fi Gane that Shall Not be Mentioned" instead of Star Trek

    So i doubt You or I will have any effect on whether anything becomes available or not,
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    All exculsive / Pre-Order items will become available and anyone who thinks differently can just look at Cryptics pattern to realise the case. Its only a matter of when Cryptic feels like doing it and thats when they think they can make a profit.
    Cryptic never said exclusive items would remain that way forever or what period of time would pass before they released them.

    Cryptic could put all the bonuses on the C-STORE today, tommorrow or next year, what are you going to do about it ?

    Leave ?

    Do it now then because Cryptic have never committed to keeping things exclusive and their actions make it clear they can and will alter their stance if it suits them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    i would still reward lifers with cool items now and then, maybe new costume pieces that they can use but just open them up to veterans somewhere down the line

    so lifers always get the cool stuff first but the veterans will eventually be able to get it

    My previous statement wasn't about being a jerk. I agree that the Captain's Table is a good idea for vet rewards.

    However, What I was trying to point out is that Lifetime Subscribers already have the Captain's Table as part of the subscription, however regular subscribers will GAIN the Captain's Table after 400 days of being subscribed.

    I was lookin at it from this perspective

    Regular Subscriber at 400 days Vet Rewards
    400 Days
    • 1. Valiant Title.
    • 2. FREE Full Respec.
    • 3. FREE Access to The Captain’s Table.
    • 4. FREE Vanity Ship – Captain’s Yacht.
    • 5. A 5% Captain and Officer Skill Point Boost up to Lieutenant Commander 6.

    Lifetime Subscriber Veteran Rewards at 400 days
    400 Days
    • 1. Valiant Title.
    • 2. FREE Full Respec.
    • 3. FREE Vanity Ship – Captain’s Yacht.
    • 4. A 5% Captain and Officer Skill Point Boost up to Lieutenant Commander 6.

    It is feeling it is a little imbalanced that a regular subscriber would get 5 vet rewards, where a LTS would be getting 4 Vet rewards.. And actually Lifetime Vets would actually be losing a Lifetime Perk in place of a Veteran Reward.

    I agree that the Captain's Table should have always been a Veteran Reward, don't get me wrong.. but with Cryptic giving it as a Lifetime Exclusive, now changed Veteran Reward is a good thing.. I can see how at 400 days people will feel somehow Gyped because Regular subscribers will be gaining 5 Vet Rewards where Lifetimers will only be gaining 4 Rewards and giving up one of their LTS Exclusive perks at the same time.



    Someone stated Pre-Order LTS got
    • $240.00 subscription price ($60 cheaper than it is now) - Pre-order Perk
    • Liberated Borg Player race - Pre-order Perk
    • 2 Free character slots - Pre-order Perk
    • Blue Forum Name tags
    • Captains Table access
    • Career Officer Title in game
    • Special uniform items

    which I agree is quite a bit.. however what is failed to be mentioned is the LTS that were Aquired AFTER the game went live .. they only got at Season 1 Update
    • $300.00 subscription price
    • Blue Forum Name tags
    • Captains Table access
    • Career Officer Title in game
    • Special uniform items


    However the late comer is now losing a LTS Perk in favor of it becoming a Veteran Reward.. so in actuality late comer LTS would be getting
    • $300.00 subscription price
    • Blue Forum Name tags
    • Career Officer Title in game
    • Special uniform items

    for their subscription. Now for the Pre-Order LTS Vets, it isn't that big of a deal since they also have Liberated Borg Character Creation and 2 free character slots.

    However it is basically removing a LTS perk and giving it as a Vet reward and giving LTS subscribers 1 less item at 400 days than the rest of the community..

    LTS would get 4 Vet Rewards and lose the exclusivity of the Captains Table..

    so LTS gets a double whammie.. Lose a LTS Perk and get 1 less Vet Reward.

    I can see how people will feel that is a bit unfair.

    now let me restate.. the Captain's Table should have always been a Vet Reward.. However with how the Captain's Table was given out and how the Veteran Rewards are being handled.. it is basically taking from Peter and paying Paul without giving any compensation to Peter.

    Basically, if a regular subscriber is getting 5 items for playing 400 days, and LTS plays for 400 days ond only get 4 items.. is that fair?

    How fair is it that they give LTS a reward that LTS already have? Now maybe an Extra Costume slot for the LTS in place of the Captain's Table reward would be really cool, plus it would be fair for LTS and Regular Subscribers. At 400 days, LTS would get an extra costume slot, regular subscribers would get Captain's table. 5 Rewards vs 5 rewards. Would be fair.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    darksith wrote:
    I have to agree. I think it would be nice to see more people in the Captain's Table. I also don't think it needs to be "replaced" with a different perk. It is time we started bringing this community closer together.

    Definatly agree.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Since the Exclusivity of the Captain's Table is being removed after 400 days of the game being Live, what is going to replace the Captain's Table as Exclusive for LTS customers?

    As I stated, I'm not really concerned about it, but I have seen many concerns online over this, so I thought I would ask.

    The Exclusive thing you get for being a LTS is the ability to roll a freakin Reclaimed Borg character!!! I'd KILL for that lol. I don't think anything needs to replace the captain's table.... YOU CAN BE A BORG! ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I think what some Lifetime players are wondering is ..

    Since Captain's Table is being turned into a Vet Reward, instead of being exclusive to LTS people as stated on Cryptics web site, what is Cryptic going to replace the Lifetime perk of Captain's Table with when we hit 400 days, especially now since it is a Vet Reward on the Captain's Table?

    I mean, I am all for everyone coming into the Captain's table at 400 days, however some community members (not counting myself) feel a bit jaded that an exclusive item

    http://www.startrekonline.com/node/1401



    and now the Captain's Table is going to be

    http://www.startrekonline.com/veteran_rewards



    Since the Exclusivity of the Captain's Table is being removed after 400 days of the game being Live, what is going to replace the Captain's Table as Exclusive for LTS customers?

    As I stated, I'm not really concerned about it, but I have seen many concerns online over this, so I thought I would ask.

    Personally, as a Lifetimer, I hope NOTHING will replace the 'Exclusivity' of the Captain's Table (or anything else for LTS - we go it from day one; and 400 days total IS a long subscription in any MMO (yes, people like me have stayed subbed for MULTIPLE years, but honestly, that is more the rarity in MMOs than the norm. As it stands; ASUMMING someone had paid month to month from day one - we would see the first 'vet' with access to the Captain's Table until July 2011.

    Personally, I'm VERY happy to see Vet rewards added to STO; and a way for more 'exclusive' content to be grated to those who stick with the game. As a LTS, I personally could care less if there's something 100% exclusive or not. YMMV.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Yes....Mirror Universe uniforms from TOS and Enterprise in C-Store or Veteran Reward would be nice.


    AND why isn;t my name tag blue? I'm a lifer!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    i would still reward lifers with cool items now and then, maybe new costume pieces that they can use but just open them up to veterans somewhere down the line

    so lifers always get the cool stuff first but the veterans will eventually be able to get it

    Assuming things are done/approved, it might be cool to occasionally leak particularly cool vet rewards out a week or two early to lifers to get people drooling over them. I'd be happy with that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Phoxe wrote:
    has been active for a total of 100 days.

    where can I find that info :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Just an additional query;

    Does the count start from date you made account, lifer start date or official start date?

    100 days is very close for some it seems! ;)

    Edit: Oh! Oh! Can we get a subscribed day count on our account dashboard? :D
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