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Cryptic lied to us and offered false advertising in regards tot he captains table. One user asked me for proof. here it is..


"It isn't lies (unless you can provide a link to a page where Cryptic said it would be exclusive) and certainly not false advertising."

http://startrekonline.com/node/1401

The Captain's Table - A special area exclusive to lifetime subscribers. See below to learn how to claim this perk.

EXCLUSIVE.

I am against this movement from cryptic and I feel that if we give perks like this to everyone, it makes them cmmon. Lifers need something JUST for them. It has something to do with them being important or special. Indeed it does for me, and as far as segregation, don't accuse me of promoting that. there are regular subscribers and lifers, they are in itself segregated programs. I am not going to post anymore threats nor topics on this matter. I've said what needs to be said, and hopefuly someone agrees with me.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Maybe I just don't see it... I can't see where it says that this will be exclusive from when it was released until the end of all time? Could you maybe highlight that part for us?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    give us non lifers the borg bo,mirror uniforms,the connie and... owwww.. lets see... the TR-116 and maybe we'll talk :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Is it just me, or is this the only lifer spamming the forums about this.

    I'm not sure, but you don't seem to have the support of the lifetime subscription community behind you... at least not my support.

    *shrug*
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    self-destructive lifers are entertaining.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    give us non lifers the borg bo,mirror uniforms,the connie and... owwww.. lets see... the TR-116 and maybe we'll talk :D

    Buy a lifetime subscription proving you actually deserve a reward for placing faith and investing money when its most needed, and maybe you will...

    ;):D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I have to agree, what a slap in the face from cryptic to the lifers on this little stunt....:rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    yes and your point?

    TOS uniforms were "exlcusive" to the DDE version of the game
    admiral uniforms were "exclusive" to the blu ray/dvd set

    most of us have them now dont we

    they have said several times that over time exclusives we be available to others, time for everyone to move on
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    where does it say 'exclusive forever'?

    I truly don't care. The only thing wrong here is your attitude and an unfamiliarity with ever-changing terms of service.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Jnoh wrote:
    Buy a lifetime subscription proving you actually deserve a reward for placing faith and investing money when its most needed, and maybe you will...

    ;):D

    meh i like the c-store better :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Imperius wrote: »
    Cryptic lied to us ...

    This has happened a few times before. So here's the real question you need to ask yourself.

    What are you going to do about it?

    Posting more threads will not get you any meaningful results. If that is your plan ... your plan will fail.

    Maybe it's time for your Plan B? Whatever that may be.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I was lied to?! God no!!! I own that starbase! How dare anyone open it up to the common filth!!!

    Rawr!!!! :rolleyes:

    Seriously, why? why is this a topic? A Discussion? Allowed to be on the forums and not in deleted cyberspace, why?

    I bought a lifetime to not have to pay to play, if you did it for anyother reason, then you have issues.

    Sorry, dont mean to be harsh.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It is ours? Really?

    Then that means we can do whatever we want with it?

    In that case I would like to pass a motion that non-lifers be allowed in immediately! Any seconds?

    Too bad it is Cryptic's. If it were actually mine I would open the doors as soon as I got home.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Imperius wrote: »
    Cryptic lied to us and offered false advertising in regards tot he captains table. One user asked me for proof. here it is..


    "It isn't lies (unless you can provide a link to a page where Cryptic said it would be exclusive) and certainly not false advertising."
    .


    You cant false advertise for something that is free to the players after purchase...

    If Cryptic gave you the feature before purchase of lifetime it would be one thing... But they gave it to you for free so no Trade laws were violated...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It was also said in another source that all exclusives would eventually be made available to others, either through the c-store or other means. That negates the exclusive reference in that link.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Jnoh wrote:
    Buy a lifetime subscription proving you actually deserve a reward for placing faith and investing money when its most needed, and maybe you will...

    ;):D

    Do you think that the few thousand dollars ( paid into Atari coffers ) provided by a handful of lifetime players had any effect on the $17.5M working capital that was given to the Cryptic department to make CO and STO?
    You are living in a dream world if you think that LTS is any kind of cash injection when such large figures are involved.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Do you think that the few thousand dollars ( paid into Atari coffers ) provided by a handful of lifetime players had any affect on the $17.5M working capital that was given to the Cryptic department to make CO and STO?
    You are living in a dream world if you think that LTS is any kind of cash injection when such large figures are involved.

    Makes you wonder where the capital when does it not? Of course, they do not have to tell me, but I have to admit I am curious.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Popkornn wrote:
    You cant false advertise for something that is free to the players after purchase...

    Back to my original point, the fact that this is not false advertising invalidated this thread...

    Lifetime Subscription/STO was purchased before Cryptic even made the table...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I think it front-loads the coffers, yes. Do you have some link which shows insight on the number of lifetime accounts?

    I do realize, its not a huge drop in the tens-of-millions bucket, but I'm also well aware that showing higher initial returns in the first quarter something is released makes a big difference in raising new capitol.

    So no, I don't think my Lifetime made a bit of difference in the development debt.

    I *DO* know damn well that all of the Lifetime accounts made the initial sales numbers look much healthier, and therefore make it much, much easier to raise money, increase marketing and social media budgets, and prove to management that there is a reason to stay vested in the project.

    Its not about the payoff. Its about the way the books look to the bean counters when it comes time to getting more capitol.

    EDIT: PS, there were something like 2500 lifetime subs for CO. I remember readign STO got more, before launch. Even at 2500, that's $650k USD before the game even launched. If their goal (as has been stated) is 100k subs, 1.5 million a year, then even just 2.5k lifetimes is more than 1/3 their yearly revenue needs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Popkornn wrote:
    Lifetime Subscription/STO was purchased before Cryptic even made the table...

    Not quite. You can still get one. I bought mine back before Launch, true. But I suspect the biggest noisemaker from the blue-names got his later on, after the Table was announced. At least that would explain their tone.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Jnoh wrote:
    I think it front-loads the coffers, yes. Do you have some link which shows insight on the number of lifetime accounts?

    I do realize, its not a huge drop in the tens-of-millions bucket, but I'm also well aware that showing higher initial returns in the first quarter something is released makes a big difference in raising new capitol.

    So no, I don't think my Lifetime made a bit of difference in the development debt.

    I *DO* know damn well that all of the Lifetime accounts made the initial sales numbers look much healthier, and therefore make it much, much easier to raise money, increase marketing and social media budgets, and prove to management that there is a reason to stay vested in the project.

    Its not about the payoff. Its about the way the books look to the bean counters when it comes time to getting more capitol.

    I would agree with this. Probably did not dent the development costs, but did make the first quarter results look good. You can claim revenue when you deliver a service and are paid.

    So, with a lifetime you just had to go live. I wonder if the long term subs, like six and twelve months can be claimed immediatly, or you have to do that over each month?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    give us non lifers the borg bo,mirror uniforms,the connie and... owwww.. lets see... the TR-116 and maybe we'll talk :D

    Nope! No Mirror Uniforms for you unless you shell out $200 like all CO Lifers did! :p I knew what I was getting when I paid for it.

    But Captain's Table... it was out of the blue as a thank you. Totally unexpected. I'm not entitled to it but grateful for it. Plus it's not a big deal at 400 days subscribed... not like they are opening the door to gold spammers and people who can't find Sulu.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Jnoh wrote:
    Not quite. You can still get one. I bought mine back before Launch, true. But I suspect the biggest noisemaker from the blue-names got his later on, after the Table was announced. At least that would explain their tone.

    Well, I still got him on another note:


    Captains Table was a "free" feature either way to the addition of what the buyer was purchasing, thus no illicit advertising was done.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    You know you didn't spend $200 just for those uniforms, right?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    give us non lifers the borg bo,mirror uniforms,the connie and... owwww.. lets see... the TR-116 and maybe we'll talk :D

    no you can't have Constitution cuz that's a preorder Collector's Edition bonus and you didn't shell out 90 $s cdn to get it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Popkornn wrote:
    Well, I still got him on another note:


    Captains Table was a "free" feature either way to the addition of what the buyer was purchasing, thus no illicit advertising was done.

    Oh, I agree. Heck, I distinctly remember the majority of the people who had lifetime subs at the time posted something to the effect of "Uuuuuh... what? Well... thanks? I guess... I mean, ok, cool but... did any of you ask for this? Kind of an odd surprise... huh."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    The only thing wrong here is your attitude and an unfamiliarity with ever-changing terms of service.

    I concur with this statement 100%.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Imperius,

    Share your toys with the other kids who paid to be here 400 days or more.

    You get to play with them exlcusively with other lifers for the next 340 days at least.

    That said, cool down. They violated no laws nor the trust of anyone who understands that exclusivity is not necessarily a permanent condition
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    You know you didn't spend $200 just for those uniforms, right?

    The MU Uniforms and Closed Beta Access were part of the $200 deal. If I picked one part of the offer as a reason to pay $200 that's my business. Cryptic took my money and I'm entitled to everything that was advertised in the offer.

    Captain's Table is a different story. Nothing was advertised. It was a total freebie.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Tysis wrote:
    It is ours? Really?

    Then that means we can do whatever we want with it?

    In that case I would like to pass a motion that non-lifers be allowed in immediately! Any seconds?

    Too bad it is Cryptic's. If it were actually mine I would open the doors as soon as I got home.

    I second this. Let the unwashed masses in to the Captain's Table. Maybe people would actually use it for a change.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    The MU Uniforms and Closed Beta Access were part of the $200 deal. If I picked one part of the offer as a reason to pay $200 that's my business. Cryptic took my money and I'm entitled to everything that was advertised in the offer.

    Captain's Table is a different story. Nothing was advertised. It was a total freebie.

    Mirror "Gets It"
    +1
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