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In some recent statements(perhaps someone could provide the exact quotes and link) the Devs have stated that the next playable faction will most likely be either the Romulans or the Borg. The Romulans are a given; they are definitely the 3rd most popular faction. However, how can the Borg be considered before the Cardassians? In several polls I've seen Cardassians are what the most people want after Romulans, and the discussions on the forums have reflected this as well. So how are the Borg being considered before the Cardassians?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It may be because, after the Dominion War, the Cardassians are really non-existant.

    I want there to be "The Tribble Faction"

    Hoorah!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    i would of gone

    Romulan , Cardassian/Dominion , Borg then finally Undine :P

    save the best for last :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    this is how rumours get started. does anyone have the exact quote to see what they said because its easy to misinterpret what they say

    the dev in question may have said he personally would like the borg, or he may have been joking.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Personally i wouldn't mind a romulan/cardassian alliance of convenience, both are recovering from catastrophic events and both have opposition to being helped by the federation yet still require that support.

    You could have 2 seperate views on the alliance depending on whether or not you go romulan or cardie with starting areas on both cardassia and the new romulan homeworld. It'd be interestig to see a faction that is more split and doesn't quite trust the other half but is with them if only because they distrust the other factions even more.

    course that'd require quite a bit of story and mission content, and if they're just going to put new factions in as pvp fodder like the klingons then i really don't care what faction they have because i won't play them. At that point they might aswell be borg IMO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I just don't see a Borg faction working and them being Borg. Their minds were all connected. Their biggest strength and weakness. So a bunch of individuals running around would just be Borg skins. They would be cyborgs and not Borg. I can't believe they are even thinking about a playable Borg faction. I just can't see anyway they could make a Borg faction believable.

    I don't think the Cardassians are weaker than the Romulans. The Romulans sun went super nova. Destroying their home world and another one of their planets. I would think that more people would want Romulans. I think they are more popular than the Cardassians. I would like to have the Cardassians first. I would want to play Changeling or Jem'hadar first.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    The Borg reference came from an article someone posted a thread about yesterday. It was in a gaming magazine.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Are they going to finish the Klingons first?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I like the idea of the Romulans and the Cardassians forming an alliance. That was in DS9 also. Their black op's intelligence groups. Have already teamed up before. To try and start a war with the Dominion. I could see that alliance as believable. I think many wouldn't like it though. To me it seems believable since the Caradssian losses in the war with the Federation. Plus the Romulan losses with the super nova. Neither of them liking the Federation.

    Then the gamma quadrant could be there own faction. The changeling's and Jem'hadar. Because I could still see hostility. On both the Cardassian and founder side because of the Cardassian's switching sides at the end of the war with the Federation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Better question: how does it make sense to have a borg playable race at all? The borg all act as a single life form. Will you be controlling thousands upon thousands of avatars and ships? And if you are only supposed to control one drone, how would you be able to control him/her? All drones are basically controlled by a queen.

    Honestly a borg playable faction would be so against cannon it's uncanny.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    They said Klingon's will never have the PVE content the Federation will have. They are meant to be PVP faction. The next faction won't have quest lines like the Federation either. I think if they do make another faction. They should have a quest line to end game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    infect the borg with mirror universe traits... kill first..assimilte later.. walaaa borg faction now works
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    infect the borg with mirror universe traits... kill first..assimilte later.. walaaa borg faction now works

    It still doesn't work for me the Borg were a collective. All there minds connected. To make all others Borg or destroy them if they couldn't. There is no story line that would make a collective seem believable when it's played by individuals. They wouldn't be Borg. What would a Borg faction want to assimilate more individuals? They lost their link to the hive now they want territory? It just sounds so goofy to claim to have a Borg faction controlled by individual players.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Englebert wrote:
    It still doesn't work for me the Borg were a collective. All there minds connected. To make all others Borg or destroy them if they couldn't. There is no story line that would make a collective seem believable when it's played by individuals. They wouldn't be Borg. What would a Borg faction want to assimilate more individuals? They lost their link to the hive now they want territory? It just sounds so goofy to claim to have a Borg faction controlled by individual players.

    hive mind = hive chat (all borg players) problem 1 solved
    uhh maybe the undine have ****ed off the queen enough that shes allowing her drones to "experiment" in hopes they'll win the war. for ground weps just have the gun in the arm peice (ike the undine). story problem solved :D

    cant stop ya drones from having a bit of fun now and then.. weve seen dancing stormtroopers.. we've seen dancing klingons.. well see dancing daleks (whenever a dr who mmo comes out :D) so we'll need some dancing borg.

    uhmm

    meh for some crazy nebula missions they could change.. aid the planet.. to assimilate the planet... destroy a few space waves... land on the planet.. assimilate the colony (get the npcs down to a certain health they stand there... the assimilate tab comes up and they beam up to ya ships to be assimilated :O

    meh the undine sounded goofy at first.. but meh it'll grow on you :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    A chat channel doesn't equal the collective to me. If that were the case, The Federation and Klingon factions are collectives. The Borg were one massive mind. Not individuals working together to complete a goal. I can't see anything to do with a Borg faction as believable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    hive mind = hive chat (all borg players) problem 1 solved
    uhh maybe the undine have ****ed off the queen enough that shes allowing her drones to "experiment" in hopes they'll win the war. for ground weps just have the gun in the arm peice (ike the undine). story problem solved :D

    cant stop ya drones from having a bit of fun now and then.. weve seen dancing stormtroopers.. we've seen dancing klingons.. well see dancing daleks (whenever a dr who mmo comes out :D) so we'll need some dancing borg.

    uhmm

    meh for some crazy nebula missions they could change.. aid the planet.. to assimilate the planet... destroy a few space waves... land on the planet.. assimilate the colony (get the npcs down to a certain health they stand there... the assimilate tab comes up and they beam up to ya ships to be assimilated :O

    meh the undine sounded goofy at first.. but meh it'll grow on you :D


    I Approve of this message.

    Mainly because the only reason I play this game is for the possibility of being a borg.

    And people saying they will quit the game if they have a borg race is like saying that you wont goto a Star Trek convention because someone dressed up as a borg. Grow up Please.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Englebert wrote:
    A chat channel doesn't equal the collective to me. If that were the case, The Federation and Klingon factions are collectives. The Borg were one massive mind. Not individuals working together to complete a goal. I can't see anything to do with a Borg faction as believable.

    well going on the game.. its either a chat channel... a very large vent server... or nothing
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    The Devs simply can't be that dense..they know the firestorm they will relase if they present Borg as a playable faction, and they have many other safe factions to choose from Romulan Cardassian, Breen.

    I just don't see it logically happening.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    modemfox wrote: »
    I Approve of this message.

    Mainly because the only reason I play this game is for the possibility of being a borg.

    And people saying they will quit the game if they have a borg race is like saying that you wont goto a Star Trek convention because someone dressed up as a borg. Grow up Please.

    vote for a undine faction too :D then we can kill each other :D or join forces.. wind this lot up even more... then kill em :O
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    modemfox wrote: »
    I Approve of this message.

    Mainly because the only reason I play this game is for the possibility of being a borg.

    And people saying they will quit the game if they have a borg race is like saying that you wont goto a Star Trek convention because someone dressed up as a borg. Grow up Please.
    A playable Borg faction would be beyond rubbish. I have my preferences as to which faction should be next [Dominion [not True Way] or Romulan] but frankly adding Tribbles as a playable race makes more sense than the Borg.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I really hope the borg don't ever become a playable race...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    If the developers do something this incredibly stupid..they will lose the vast majority of their player base.

    And developer who is even considering for one moment of making Borg a playable race needs to watch this documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hv4q-Ry6AE&feature=related and Listien to what Janeways says when she is quoting all these Starfleet Command Officers.

    It would be the biggest mistake a game company has mede since NGE.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Borg Faction would be a disaster!

    1. As mentioned its a collective thats driven by the collective...yes it has the Borg Queen as a centralized voice but she acts in the interest of the collective. So, some player running around willy nilly in their own interests wouldn't be Borg. No matter how Cryptic dressed it up (Oh the players are playing Borg that are cut off from the collective...blah blah blah) Players would not be playing the "Actual" Borg, but some justified version just so that players can run around in skins as Borg.

    Not that it would happen, but it sure would be funny if players that did create a borg logged in and found themselves not in control of their ship and their character sent to do mindless things like repair conduits or assimilate blades of grass like the good little drone they would start off as..

    2. Oh my god the cries that would ensue because players would log in, get to RA5 and get their Borg Cube and get pwned just like every other player does. I shouldn't say pwned but you get what I mean. Borg Cube would still = any other RA5 ship which detracts from the overall terrifying presence of the borg. And before any players get any delusions of being elite tatical drones running around unstoppable...again they would make it that you would be cannon fodder just like the rest of us.

    The appeal of the Borg is they are so powerful, so unstoppable (okay lets leave Voyager out of this), and pushes any of the Alpha Quadrant civilizations to the limits. They could not be made like this because of BALANCE. Balance would make the borg boring.

    Of course in their current incarnation they are pretty pathetic but as a side note I think we are all in for a surprise as to why the current Borg we are fighting are so wimpy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Seriously?

    Does anyone read before they start posting posts about how a Borg faction would never work?

    It has been stated, by a dev, even, that if there was to be a Borg faction, it would not be the main Collective, it would be a splinter group from the Collective, as seen in "Descent" and "Unity." There is plenty of precedence in canon for this. You would not be a mindless drone zombie. You would belong to a group of Borg who have regained their individuality and are most likely being hunted by the Collective for the purpose of being re-assimilated. You would most likely be in conflict with the Collective on a regular basis. You would be like the Borg Resistance - a rebel group. Guerrilla fighters, who, despite being separated from the Collective, would most likely have little trust for any of the other factions as well.

    Yes, I agree, Romulans should definitely be added first. I would prefer that Cardassians/Dominion/True Way are also added before the Borg but if you determine which faction is more popular among casual and non-fans, the Borg would most likely win out over the Cradassians.

    I also want any faction that gets added to have a fully fleshed out storyline with episodic quests like the Federation does. The Klingons need this as well. Seriously, if they gave the Klingon side a whole storyline, it would generate a LOT of interest in people playing their Klingon characters, enough so that persistent PVP would be fair and balanced.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Sovek wrote: »
    Seriously?

    Does anyone read before they start posting posts about how a Borg faction would never work?

    It has been stated, by a dev, even, that if there was to be a Borg faction, it would not be the main Collective, it would be a splinter group from the Collective, as seen in "Descent" and "Unity." There is plenty of precedence in canon for this. You would not be a mindless drone zombie. You would belong to a group of Borg who have regained their individuality and are most likely being hunted by the Collective for the purpose of being re-assimilated. You would most likely be in conflict with the Collective on a regular basis. You would be like the Borg Resistance - a rebel group. Guerrilla fighters, who, despite being separated from the Collective, would most likely have little trust for any of the other factions as well.

    Yes, I agree, Romulans should definitely be added first. I would prefer that Cardassians/Dominion/True Way are also added before the Borg but if you determine which faction is more popular among casual and non-fans, the Borg would most likely win out over the Cradassians.

    I also want any faction that gets added to have a fully fleshed out storyline with episodic quests like the Federation does. The Klingons need this as well. Seriously, if they gave the Klingon side a whole storyline, it would generate a LOT of interest in people playing their Klingon characters, enough so that persistent PVP would be fair and balanced.

    medal for this guy

    hmm a specieal type of drone(S) designed to fight the undine :P (like that big fat thing in ef2) :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Here's what Im saying,

    People that want to play Borg want to play THE BORG, not some splinter group, not some lower cut off, pathetic castaway group. They want to play....

    The Ominious

    The Unstoppable

    The Uncompromising

    BORG!

    Anyway that Cryptic presents it so players can play avatars dressed up as Borg will lead to disappointment. Players that roll these characters will be crying foul a month down the road saying, heh these guys aren't really borg because...they suck.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Here's what Im saying,

    People that want to play Borg want to play THE BORG, not some splinter group, not some lower cut off, pathetic castaway group. They want to play....

    The Ominious

    The Unstoppable

    The Uncompromising

    BORG!

    Anyway that Cryptic presents it so players can play avatars dressed up as Borg will lead to disappointment. Players that roll these characters will be crying foul a month down the road saying, heh these guys aren't really borg because...they suck.

    Well anyone who wants that is deluded, because it's not going to happen. Besides, you're wrong. I want to play the Borg but STO would lose all of its credibility to me if they made the main Collective playable. Anybody who knows anything about Star Trek and has a grain of common sense realizes that the only way to make the Borg playable would be as a splinter group. And quite frankly, I don't know where you get the idea that they would be pathetic. The Borg in Descent were pretty badass, and no doubt, any playable Borg would be badass as well, as long as Cryptic keeps them extremely xenophobic and still regarding themselves as superior to pure organics, and not playing buddy-buddy with the Federation, I will be happy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    If you were separate from the Borg you are not Borg. If they are running from re assimilation they are like every race in Star Trek. This just sounds terrible. I can't believe they are evening thinking about a faction. That's not Borg but calling them Borg. They are fighting the Borg, Federation and the Klingons how big is this splinter?

    I mean if they broke their link to the collective wouldn't they want to go back to the hive. Or to their own people if they exist? Which is what happens except for like Hugh. Which I remember he was mad he got kicked from the collective. Why wasn't he disassembled and used for parts? We are talking about a race of cyborgs. Linked together with one mind. Wouldn't they have a better anti-virus program by now. Fixed uni-matrix zero and learned how to shut down rebel voices in the collective. I thought they were supposed to so great at adapting. Have they de-evolved?

    If a couple of fleets are separated it's not enough to be a faction. Most would try to get back to collective. If the Borg were split in half they would no longer be as big of a danger to the galaxy. It just doesn't work at all for me from any angle.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    The developers specifically stated there wouldn't be a Collective faction.

    However, everyone is jumping at the bit and not realizing that of the billions of Borg in the universe, there had to be more that Hugh's Borg that broke free.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Englebert wrote:
    If you were separate from the Borg you are not Borg. If they are running from re assimilation they are like every race in Star Trek. This just sounds terrible. I can't believe they are evening thinking about a faction. That's not Borg but calling them Borg. They are fighting the Borg, Federation and the Klingons how big is this splinter?

    I mean if they broke their link to the collective wouldn't they want to go back to the hive. Or to their own people if they exist? Which is what happens except for like Hugh. Which I remember he was mad he got kicked from the collective. Why wasn't he disassembled and used for parts? We are talking about a race of cyborgs. Linked together with one mind. Wouldn't they have a better anti-virus program by now. Fixed uni-matrix zero and learned how to shut down rebel voices in the collective. I thought they were supposed to so great at adapting. Have they de-evolved?

    If a couple of fleets are separated it's not enough to be a faction. Most would try to get back to collective. If the Borg were split in half they would no longer be as big of a danger to the galaxy. It just doesn't work at all for me from any angle.

    I disagree, in the voyager Episode "Unity" when the borg broke free of the collective they did not want to return home, and still retained enough abilities to control the cube in space.

    They still somewhat functioned as borg, but not borg. They werent bent on assimilating technology, they wanted to just start over, even as a mixed combination of races managed to come together and help the voyager.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I never understood the Hugh story. Why wasn't he given the sleep command and just shut down? While he regenerating. Marked as malfunctioning and set for disassembling? Them just kicking him out made little sense. Since he has plenty of parts that could be used in the assimilation of others.
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