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New DS9 Fleet action? New Fleet Escort? Debris field...

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http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/24/invasion-of-deep-space-nine-invades-star-trek-online/

A new Fleet Action DS9?

A new Fleet Escort? (00:33 in the trailer)

And the debris field in the background....

Not to rain on the parade or anything, but those debris fields in Fleet Actions really mess with frame rates. Can we get less debris?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    My problem with the debris is that some of it is unrealistically large. Like, it could only have come from a MASSIVE space station, but it's supposedly a piece of a starship?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    IT seems that the new escort is the Maelstrom Class. (See the May Calendar.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    New? That FA has been in game for a while, the space part is disabled (dont know why) but I played it on the test server before that patch had hit live.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    My problem with the debris is that some of it is unrealistically large. Like, it could only have come from a MASSIVE space station, but it's supposedly a piece of a starship?

    Of course the debris is unrealistically large, everything in this game is, except for the ships themselves, have you not seen the interior of the ships bridges.


    Now before any one says it, I understand the reasons for interiors to be so big but they shouldn't have to be that big and I have no idea why the space debris has to be so massive
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    MrJ wrote:
    Of course the debris is unrealistically large, everything in this game is, except for the ships themselves, have you not seen the interior of the ships bridges.


    Now before any one says it, I understand the reasons for interiors to be so big but they shouldn't have to be that big and I have no idea why the space debris has to be so massive

    Some of the scaling problems are just silly. DS9 is at least five times too large.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    SpaceFork wrote:
    New? That FA has been in game for a while, the space part is disabled (dont know why) but I played it on the test server before that patch had hit live.
    Yep, the DS9 ground fleet action has been there as long as I've been going to DS9 (at least a few weeks now), and it's an awful zergy mess in its current form. Hopefully this trailer represents an update to both ground AND space portions. I wouldn't do it again otherwise.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Some of the scaling problems are just silly. DS9 is at least five times too large.

    Maybe it's not that DS9 is too big but that the ships are too small? Seriously I have seen my Galaxy and later Sovereign class ships beside shuttles and escape pods and they look way too big compared to my ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    SpaceFork wrote:
    New? That FA has been in game for a while, the space part is disabled (dont know why) but I played it on the test server before that patch had hit live.

    There was a space part? Can I have it back! I want the space part! :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Space component looks awesome. Now we just need a "thrown back in time to the Battle for DS9 in the Sacrifice of Angels episode" fleet action...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    So THAT is what the blinking Shuttle Door's are for?!

    I knew there was something missing.

    ...also i see a lot of Dominion Ships in the Trailer but on the Ground there are only Cardassians (and a lot of Holograms that have just as much Health... which is stupid by itself.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    MrJ wrote:
    Maybe it's not that DS9 is too big but that the ships are too small? Seriously I have seen my Galaxy and later Sovereign class ships beside shuttles and escape pods and they look way too big compared to my ships.

    The station had an inconsistent scale through the series. My assumption is that made it as close to scale with the Defiant as possible and they seem to have used the canon dimensions for the ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Z3R0B4NG wrote: »

    ... Hehehe, lets see if anyone else picks up on the fact that the scale is different in all those pics.:D

    Anyway, the smaller ships (runabouts, shuttles, pods) are scaled a bit larger for gameplay purposes.

    The ships themselves however (from Miranda to Galaxy to Sovereign, to Defiant, to every canon ship we see) are scaled correctly amongst themselves.

    DS9, as stated above (and noted in those pics) was scaled willy nilly depending on the ships around it during the series, so its been viewed as "so small its laughable" to "slightly smaller than it is in-game" depending on what was docked with it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    The station had an inconsistent scale through the series. My assumption is that made it as close to scale with the Defiant as possible and they seem to have used the canon dimensions for the ships.

    The Defiant in the game is way too small compared to DS9, it is the size that a runabout should be. The airlock that the Defiant docks with in the show is so big in this game that the Defiant can fit inside it. If DS9 in game had runabout pads the Defiant could almost fit in those as well, if it weren't for its warp nacelles.


    But I have no problem with DS9 being too big, unlike the ships the comically overly huge interiors match with the exteriors. I guess by the 25th Century Federation star ship bridges are built with TARDIS like technology, you know "Bigger on the inside"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Actually DS9 is closer to the intended size in STO. The important thing to remember is the series was limited to using models that were already built, and the stations model could only be so big without costing a fortune to do lighting and other effects on it, so some studio models would appear station sized when they actually should not... and unfortunately the DS9 series was plagued with scaling errors when CGI was introduced later, like the infamous bird-of-prey that thinks it's a battleship and a shuttle at the same time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Awesome looking. Love DS9. Any reason to be there is another win.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I guess someone should bug a cryptic rep for the details of the Nomad variant and whether or not if its coming still.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    MrJ wrote:
    The Defiant in the game is way too small compared to DS9, it is the size that a runabout should be. The airlock that the Defiant docks with in the show is so big in this game that the Defiant can fit inside it. If DS9 in game had runabout pads the Defiant could almost fit in those as well, if it weren't for its warp nacelles.


    But I have no problem with DS9 being too big, unlike the ships the comically overly huge interiors match with the exteriors. I guess by the 25th Century Federation star ship bridges are built with TARDIS like technology, you know "Bigger on the inside"

    The Defiant isn't THAT much bigger than a runabout, using official scales.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    The Defiant isn't THAT much bigger than a runabout, using official scales.

    I guess it isn't, and I am not sure if we ever saw the defiant and a runabout in the same shot, not counting the shrunken runabout in Ds9's "One Little Ship".

    But the runabout has a cockpit, sleeping area, and an interchangeable aft section, and is considered crowded if there are more than 6 people in it. While the Defiant has 5 decks and a bridge that is only a little smaller than the total size of the inside of a runabout. Well actually the STO defiant bridge probably is the same size as a runabout.


    But anyway, the ships in STO do look like they are proportional to each other, it just it looks like when compared to DS9 the runabouts look like they should be the size of the Defiant, the Defiant should be the Size of the Galaxy class and the Galaxy class should be bigger, or the ships should stay the same size and DS9 should be smaller.
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