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Ultimate Fed PvP Fix

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited April 2010 in PvP Gameplay
Give all Fed Escorts the stats from their tier equivalent Klingon BoPs including the Battlecloaks.

Make PvP Balanced!
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thlaylie wrote: »
    Give all Fed Escorts the stats from their tier equivalent Klingon BoPs including the Battlecloaks.

    Make PvP Balanced!

    *sigh*

    i play both klink and fed. pvp IS balanced. individual players are not balanced. fleets that roll premades are not balanced.

    seen fed escorts survive and kick serious hooha WHEN THEY ARE PLAYED CORRECTLY

    in short...L2P
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Sorry, I've played both...

    No matter what you have "seen"

    You'd have to be real insensitive not to feel the way a BoP moves compared to a Fed Escort and universal BO slots? Come On admit it!

    You just make yourself look silly denying it.

    If you have to go on looks:

    It takes 45 minutes minimum to finish a map in FvF when it takes 10 minutes max to do the same map FvK.

    Why? The Feds don't have all the Klng perks on their ships and are evenly matched.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    tbo, fvf always seems much shorter for me cause we don't have to deal with all the klings cloaking and waiting to strike.

    plus, the escorts equal on the kling side isn't the bop, its the raptor
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thlaylie wrote: »
    Sorry, I've played both...

    No matter what you have "seen"

    You'd have to be real insensitive not to feel the way a BoP moves compared to a Fed Escort and universal BO slots? Come On admit it!

    You just make yourself look silly denying it.

    If you have to go on looks:

    It takes 45 minutes minimum to finish a map in FvF when it takes 10 minutes max to do the same map FvK.

    Why? The Feds don't have all the Klng perks on their ships and are evenly matched.

    i make myself look silly. riiiiight. ive pvp'd both sides, and a coordinated fedball is pretty lethal. the only ppl that continually complain that klinks are op are ppl who dont yet know the extend of the game mechanics, dont know proper pvp tactics, dont team up, and dont coordinate. on my ted toons ive led penty of fedballs and won plenty of matches. ive also busted just as many fedballs on my klink(s).

    it comes down to which side gets coordinated.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ghaelon wrote:
    it comes down to which side gets coordinated.

    This is the truth of things
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    You guys are still not getting it!

    I am not a herd animal. I don't run in packs and expect someone else to protect me while i specialize in DPS.

    I hope Cryptic makes a one on one PvP, then you guys can have at me, one at a time.

    Try, just Try to enter a PvP without a group and solo it.

    You will understand. You will still deny, but understand, if you don't allready and are just baiting me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thlaylie wrote: »
    You guys are still not getting it!

    lol, you are the one not getting it. this is an MMO, there are 3 classes that specialize in 1 area and are ok in the other areas. the game is built to work in teams. if you haven't figured this out by now, and keep denying this fact. then you will always be a scrub.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kashnar wrote:
    lol, you are the one not getting it. this is an MMO, there are 3 classes that specialize in 1 area and are ok in the other areas. the game is built to work in teams. if you haven't figured this out by now, and keep denying this fact. then you will always be a scrub.

    this. 7890
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ghaelon wrote:
    i make myself look silly. riiiiight. ive pvp'd both sides, and a coordinated fedball is pretty lethal. the only ppl that continually complain that klinks are op are ppl who dont yet know the extend of the game mechanics, dont know proper pvp tactics, dont team up, and dont coordinate. on my ted toons ive led penty of fedballs and won plenty of matches. ive also busted just as many fedballs on my klink(s).

    it comes down to which side gets coordinated.

    certainly is a lot more fun when i see you are on the other team i am on in a map
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ardept wrote: »
    certainly is a lot more fun when i see you are on the other team i am on in a map


    amen brother. always gets the juices flowing when i know at least some of the ppl on the other side are good.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thlaylie wrote: »
    You guys are still not getting it!

    I am not a herd animal. I don't run in packs and expect someone else to protect me while i specialize in DPS.

    I hope Cryptic makes a one on one PvP, then you guys can have at me, one at a time.

    Try, just Try to enter a PvP without a group and solo it.

    You will understand. You will still deny, but understand, if you don't allready and are just baiting me.


    let me translate for you


    'waaaah waaaaah waaaaah theres no solo pvp! i dont want to/cant team!' WoW is THAT way, bro. >>>>
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    You guys win.

    I am a scrub.

    I will limp along until Star Wars comes out.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thlaylie wrote: »
    You guys win.

    I am a scrub.

    I will limp along until Star Wars comes out.

    you do realise were prolly gonna go to star wars too, right? =)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    lol, yeah

    I'm only playing this cause I got tired of playing WoW for 5 years and want to play something else, unfortunately the game that I want to play (SW: TOR) doesn't come out for another year so I needed something to fill the time with.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thlaylie wrote: »
    You guys win.

    I am a scrub.

    I will limp along until Star Wars comes out.

    scrub is harsh, it doesn't take a huge change in gameplay or build to see noticably better results. You might not become an over night guru that will still take old fashioned practice but some times the change required does need to be made by the player and not the game. you can either accept that or you can't, if you can ask people politely and i am sure most would be willing to help you improve, if not continue to claim this, and any subsequent game is broken
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Thlaylie wrote: »
    Give all Fed Escorts the stats from their tier equivalent Klingon BoPs including the Battlecloaks.

    Make PvP Balanced!

    I think this is an excellent idea. If cloak is such a useless ability as most klingons claim, then this will have no effect on them whatsoever.

    If a professional testing team came in to review the ship and ability balance in the game, they'd laugh out loud. They would ask, "You gave one entire side stealth, with virtually no limitations, what were you thinking?" "They can fly at Full Impulse...while stealthed???" No other mmo does that, and they've had far more time to balance sides out.

    Of course, good teamwork counters this problem, but currently the fed teams that win are working with a handicap. Imagine if DOB went to the klingon side, they would find it even more comically easy to win fighting feds or klingons.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Izzx wrote:
    I think this is an excellent idea. If cloak is such a useless ability as most klingons claim, then this will have no effect on them whatsoever.

    If a professional testing team came in to review the ship and ability balance in the game, they'd laugh out loud. They would ask, "You gave one entire side stealth, with virtually no limitations, what were you thinking?" "They can fly at Full Impulse...while stealthed???" No other mmo does that, and they've had far more time to balance sides out.

    Of course, good teamwork counters this problem, but currently the fed teams that win are working with a handicap. Imagine if DOB went to the klingon side, they would find it even more comically easy to win fighting feds or klingons.

    cloak is only useless if you can't kill off the enemies before they can react.

    the ultimate balance point tends to be, Can klinks carry the momentum of the alpha strike into victory or can feds stand through it and grind the klinks down.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I would agree 100% with the OP if it was my first day playing PVP.

    But it's not and I've learned better since then. Once you scrape enough Klingons off of your boot you stop resenting them. You respect them and instead resent the people who QQ about PVP without any truth in their statements.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    From what I can see I will never be that dedicated to this game as you guys are.

    I will try to do the best I can and all, but the amount of effort you guys have done with this, from optimizing your HUDS to posting Youtube videos is way more commitment than I had planned for a game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It takes 45 minutes in FvF because you people are not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed.

    **edit**
    oh yeah, you also spend 3/4's of the time typing about how unfair everything is and belittling the other side. I haven't been able to get into a FvF yet, but I am absolutely dying to see it and take screen shots of the insanity.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    The game is fairly well balanced as it is. Like anything practice makes better. I got smoked hard the first few pvp matches I entered as a fed... and you know what I didn't give up. There is a counter to everything, and group play is importent. I have won many of matches I entered with out a team. The trick is to try and counter the tactics you are being hit with. The klink ships are not OP. I have taken out 3 by myself in the right situtation and the right counters. I have also had my backside handed to me by one klink.
    You need to think out your layout... are you going to try and desroy their power levels, out dps them, out survive them. Load yourself out for the stradegy your gong to use. The same things that work against npc's are obvious to a human.
    If what you are doing isn't working, change what you are doing. If you get smacked around change your bo layout before you head back into the fight. Experiment and you will find ways to win or at least be competitive.

    Also of note... I have played a few FvF with my fleet mates to pass some time... and when where organised the matches don't last all that long. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Not signed. There is nothing wrong with Klingon vs Federation that is cloak related. The only problem is a general over the top burst damage potential of escort(-like) ship classes which benefits Klingons slightly more.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    LordTareq wrote: »
    Not signed. There is nothing wrong with Klingon vs Federation that is cloak related. The only problem is a general over the top burst damage potential of escort(-like) ship classes which benefits Klingons slightly more.

    Though I respectfully disagree on the cloak issue, I completely agree with you on burst DPS issue. It should be noted that every klingon ship can out DPS its fed counterpart, except for escort/raptor. I believe it could be argued that this alone would balance out our hull/shield bonus.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Sorry for this but...

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    There im done.
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